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this is not going to be easy to contain
Pakistan is unstable, Iran's local enemies want them disabled and the US government is suspicious of the UN? Not exactly revelations worthy of stopping the press were it not WIKILEAKS OMG. The Sunday Times has been reporting an imminent Israeli attack on Iran for a much longer period of years than the word 'imminent' suggests.
but there's a difference between speculation and first hand, primary source information
take a deeper look
it would appear that twitter has both #wikileaks and #cablegate filtered out of worldwide trending
but has now appeared
#wikileaks still seems to be filtered out
I can't decide. Make up my mind for me.
or whether you believe your vote hands the ruling elite absolute power to do as they see fit
But I like that corrupt individuals are held accountable for their actions. A happy medium would be nice. This fence is comfy.
a lot of the information that's been leaked is the kind of stuff you'd presume the American government were thinking but just didn't make public.
Also I like how one of the leaks is:
"Claims of inappropriate behavior by a member of the British royal family."
I wonder who that could be.
But i reckon its maj herself. She always eats crisps without offering them round.
well according to you, it's everybody who thinks leaking this information wasn't sensible that's the extreme right winger, not just a couple of comments on Fox.
I can't see how bringing us one step closer to a war in Iran (and incidentally bringing Iran one step closer to fully developing nuclear weapons) is in any way a good thing.
and i would be doubtful that they would know the Saudis are asking the US to bomb them, having this come out in the open is forcing everyone's hand. People are going to have to explain why they're asking for a show of force, other nations are going to have to pick sides, Amudinnerlad is gonna want to show himself as a strong leader by doing something the international community will hate, and now that it's in the open that Israel is willing to go it alone in Iran it's gonna give less of a shit what people think about it...
I think it's undeniable that it'll greatly increase tensions in the region, and judging by the report so far there doesn't need to be much more tension increase for things to get real FUBAR, man.
it goes back about 1400 years give or take
as for Israel's plans for Iran - that's something that Amwearinadinnerjacket will be more than aware of
these leaks wont actually affect relations between these states nearly as much as they will affect these states relations with the US - especially if the US is a self-declared 'peace-broker'
Perhaps the Korea revelations are more worrying re: relationship between N Korea and China
I'd be interested to take a look at the cables relating to Putin & Berlusconi's bromance though
There isn't anything on the guardian specifically about the china n. korea thing, I thought it would just be that China wants to distance itself. Whats the story then?
but the inference is some kind of plan for a coup in the North and reunification for Korea - and apparently China is either in on it or it has in any case been discussed with Chinese officials
Is there anywhere you can place bets for where there's going to be a war first?
I think I'd go for Korea
is justification for censorship of the internet and harder control upon ISPs. Nobody likes to be made to look stupid by a pale Scandinavian streak of piss.
I suppose it's good that Wikileaks are forcing this issue to a head, instead of allowing the government to get on with merrily eroding our civil rights in private by middle aged men who barely understand the technology their remit gives them jurisdiction over
unless you're referring to someone else...?
but it IS a shame that a lot of the focus with these types of disclosures is on Wikileaks/Assange rather than the info that becomes public
I second your second paragraph
Sorry Anschul, I must have been confusing him with you. :D
I can't find it
think there's something amusingly bathetic about using a tweet to say this.
I dunno, this guy is obviously enjoying a bit of fun on his soapbox, but in any case, I don't really see this is going to be as bad as some people are suggesting, nobody saw the US as whiter than white before and any given world power would have to be absolutely mental to act outraged unless they genuinely have nothing whatsoever to hide. I dunno, the apocalypse might start tomorrow or something, so whatever.
Effective diplomacy involves all the transgressions Wikileaks is exposing. Embarrassment is just the consequence of exposure. Perhaps the more sophisticated response is to stand firm, to assume a degree of worldiness from those involved in the world of diplomacy (who will for example enjoy seeing the US Secretary of State squirming about her UN spying operation, but only because theirs hasn't been exposed as well), and to accept that occasional embarrassment is an occupational hazard in a 21st century marked by vast quantities of information circulating in all too accessible digital form.
Seems about right.
On wikileaks website, the issue of D-Notices to British Newspapers, public condemnation by US & UK foreign offices and ministers, and a massive damage-llimitation diplomatic charm offensive from Hilary Clinton's international ambassadors
but I just think you'd have to have total, blind, innocent faith in the US govt to see a lot of this stuff as incendiary.
I mean, honestly, if one week ago somebody had asked you if you thought the US was spying on the UN, would your answer have really been 'no'? Would Ban Ki Moon's? I certainly wouldn't say this is Watergate grade stuff. And you know, there is the worry about how Iran and (to a lesser extent) North Korea might react, but by and large it just strikes me as an embarrassing, interesting series of revelations that everybody involved in will have to grimly soldier through with a smile on their face.
But there's an ocean of data to be explored in these documents, I'm sure it hasn't all surfaced yet
And I think the Telegraph's inference that every government is spying on the UN and doing these other things so it's ok is pretty wide of the mark on two counts
I dunno. We live in a world where all governments do these things, and we all sort of know they do, but because it's kept secret we don't really have to deal with how we feel about it. I think that's what makes me uncomfortable with this leak more than anything. I mean, we know about Abu Ghraib, we know the Iraq War was started for dodgy evidence, we know the US is involved in torture... those would be the weapons grade revelations. This just seems to be more about facing up to the unfortunate nature of political reality. And I absolutely agree with you that we shouldn't think 'oh, it's fine to spy on the UN', and I'm certainly not trying to come across as one of those awful trolls who goes 'oh god, you're so naive', but I kind think with this sort of level of political exposure you either have to admit that you know all is not as you;d like it to be with the world and then just cheerily plough on regardless, or else actually try and do something about it yourself. Which I am surely not going to do, alack.
"The hacker attacks which forced Google to quit China in January were orchestrated by a senior member of the Politburo who typed his own name into the global version of the search engine and found articles criticising him personally."
That's a good one, isn't it. I think my favourite. I'm picturing Eric Cartman.
Iranian President Ahmedinejad says American government orchestrated the Wikileaks releases to pursue 'political goals', from Reuters "
isn't that the mantra?
right, so because the US couldn't hang on to some classified data, DEMOCRACY IS CANCELLED. Well that is a bummer.
that as a result of wikileaks, free and fair elections and the Freedom of Information Act are liable to be rescinded, so yes, somebody did say that.
There's a strawman waiting in the sky
He'd like to come and meet us
But he thinks he'd blow our minds
There's a strawman waiting in the sky
He told us not to blow it
'Cause he knows it's all worthwhile
He told me:
Let the children lose it
Let the children use it
Let all the children boogie
I thought, despite reservations about potentially putting both US/UK troops and Afghani civilians in danger, the Iraq and Afghanistan stuff was really important, vital stuff.
This just seems like shit stirring.
I think it's fairly on message though witH 250,000 cables a lot us going to be tittle tattle
Looks like i shoulda refreshed the page before using the phrase tittle tattle, ©2010 Anschul, since 14:40. Gah.
that being a citizen of a democracy gives me the entitlement to be privvy to confidential correspondence between embassies and diplomats.
I think you can hold that position without being a gormless complacent drone, but no, of course IT'S TOTES USS AGAINST THEMMM LOADS
And agree largely
However, American Foreign policy haS such a MASSIVE influence on global politiCal dynamics and the shape of the world's relationships - not to mention an enormOusly powerful media - that it is useful to world diplomacy to be able to look it in the eye and reassess perhaps the depth and safety of such strategic alliances
So I would be suprised if the US gov didnt feel the same way.
I'm sure that the other things mentioned could be found mirrored in other people too, so Its not really a big deal, just that its out in the open.