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For some research i thought i'd ask DiS what its all about.
What's it all about, DiS?
Like nu-metal, it's doomed to fail.
rather than be the lazy, ignorant, spoon fed, ppor twats that Labour and the evil left have made us become.
It's all a bit abhorrent tbh.
...in that it's David Cameron doing a Homer Simpson as Sanitation Commissioner and going "The Public Sector? Can't somebody ELSE do it?!"
In a nutshell it revolves around the shrinkage of the state and the shrinkage of corporate social responsibility. The gaps are filled by armies of volunteers. David Cameron wants to create a world where volunteering is commonplace and, if we all volunteer for good causes, then we won't need a big state taking care of people because people will be doing it a) out of the kindness of their hearts and b) for free.
He is a dangerous lunatic.
because the tax will be paying for others mistakes
when Labour is in power...
Or, at a macro level, where the charity sector is asked to do significantly more work but receiving significantly less Government money to do it.
And how are you pronouncing that exactly?
Not too big though.
That'd be communism.
Or Socialism, at best.
Like they're gonna have in the US.
I seem to remember that if you are on the dole and doing voluntary work for a lot of time then you are considered unavailable for work and your dole money suffers.....has this problem been removed?
But, seriously, TAP what are your views on the Big Society as both a) a concept and b) how it has been 'administered' up to now?
Seeing as it forms the backbone of "Big" David Cameron's political philosophy it seems, I assume it'd be something you'd have an opinion on
to something seriously. have you learnt nothing?
So long as you can identify clearly where he's trying to get a rise out of achingly liberal indie boys (fish barrel etc.) and discount it then he's actually worth reading.
Will Davey Cam give me one? I want bunting!
Is there literally NOTHING you won't turn into sheer carnal filth?
which it kind of does.
and he wants us all to get stuck in.
You've kind of just said i'm fat and that he wants everyone to have sex with me.
and made a half-arsed attempt to work its findings into the Tory manifesto. Better than ignoring it I suppose.
Fourth Sector Path Finders... bloody Thick Of It has ruined politics for me forever
because its members don't like paying tax
And expecting well-meaning but untrained amateurs to do the same job for free?
I think I'll take the politicians handing over money to those that are qualified to know what they're doing, thank you very much.
"hang on I can do a better job of" governing the country than the government is.
How will Cameron ENABLE me to do this?
I would like to have an input to the 'education policy/strategy' 'legislative reformation' 'defense strategy' 'shaping the countries infrastructure for the future' 'shaping the demographic of the populations occupations' 'reshaping the population/society so that it is able to scrape through the collapse of the old capitalism and the global markets'
I really want to get involved TAP.....can I really put my faith in the 'big society initiative' enabling me to get involved in these?
I'm not sure how I feel aboutt he big society yet, but I'm a bit worried that functions currently performed by bodies with elected reprentitives will be carried out by well meaning buy unaccountable bodies.
...but with all these things the processes and bureaucracies involved with MAKING them accountable will no doubt prove ridiculously counterproductive. Red tape, paperwork, paedophiles etc. etc.
as "we", the service users, couldn't directly chuck them out every 4 years if we weren't happy like you can with a local council or foundation trust board. Red tape will just mean more quango like bodies eventually.
I think the point also is to give people the ability to 'choose' between services, so the accountability comes from the fact that if they provide a bad service - the service user can fuck off elsewhere.
please can you let me know how I can input into how the country is run
writing to your elected representative will only work if what you talk about chimes harmoniously with what his political party want.
I do not have the money or resource to become an elected representative.
Instead I wish to table my suggestions for how things can be done better.
I wish to mediate discussions between the political partoies because I believe that I could steer them (in their arguments to more constructive conclusions.
You know I know this.....you also know that what i am trying to say is that at the moment indiciduals cannot really input anything to governemnt unless it is through the 'party channels' ....people can have good ideas that are 'depite party politics' yet party politics filters/precludes a lot of stuff
but I see that you have
dismissed my attempt to try to engage with the idea of 'the big society' out of hand
fair enough......so what i get from you is that the big society is not going to help people with what i have suggested.....i.e.
'education policy/strategy' 'legislative reformation' 'defense strategy' 'shaping the countries infrastructure for the future' 'shaping the demographic of the populations occupations' 'reshaping the population/society so that it is able to scrape through the collapse of the old capitalism and the global markets'
but ido not know how i can get to be able to put my ideas to the gov (except as you suggest, through a representative of one of the political parties...who will only put it to gov if it chimes with the party in the party political arena) ...what i need to be able to do is to put it to a mixed bunch of mps n stuff so that it can be considered with a non-party slant
I dont really think that being able to put suggestions or questions to parliament in a non-party manner is a dictatorship.......do you?
Why do you say 'I cant be bothered'?
I find that quite annoying considering how 'bothered' I have actually been, perhaps I should not be put of by being put into a merry circular dance by parliamentary switchboards and websites....perhaps I should have taken longer trying to contact the previous government.....although they did their best to avoid me contacting them.
Anyway just to reiterate....for muggins here....how do i submit a question/suggestion to this government/parliament.
(when i am genuinely trying to refine my questions to you so that i might actually try to get something done) is a bit annoying......and actually convinces m that you are right....there is absolutely no practical purpose to asking anything on the internet...it is all just noise.
In fact there is absolutely no point in offering considered advice to anyone........
Im actually sick of being cassandra.....there is no point in being reasonable anymore...it is obvious that people do not want to be helped or saved so it is probably best if i leave trying to do anything (other than for myself)
So Im off to try to get lots of money (I dont know how particularly so i might only be able to do that illegally, but i need to readjust my priorities to live in the britain of the future)
Makes it pretty redundant if you ask me mate as a PRACTICAL POLICY TO FORM A MANIFESTO AROUND. The principle of the Big Society sounds lovely on paper. The reality is ludicrous.
Basically Dave Cameron™ is saying "we should let those people who know what they're doing get on with doing stuff to help people, without the government getting in the way".
For the voluntary sector, that means doing more work that the state is responsible for, but with significantly reduced government funding. Or "enabling" as you wish to call it.
As I said, he's a dangerous lunatic.
Dave Cameron™ has said (I can't find the link, apologies) that within the Big Society "the voluntary sector needs to stand on its own 2 feet". By this he means that statutory funding is being heavily slashed (I know it is because all charities are accounting for it), meaning charities have to find 'other sources' of income and manage it themselves. Charities rely on statutory contracts to a significant extent.
This is the side of The Big Society I have been finding issue with - because it is quite wide-ranging. You're presenting the side of it (the transfer of decision making power) which on paper is rather neat; I'm presenting the side of it (cuts in budget and a naive understanding of the way that a) the voluntary sector and b) the population at large) works. We're never going to agree.
The Big Society is to a significant extent built upon increasing the culture of volunteering in this country also. Do you not think that's a bit of an inpractical thing to suggest given that unemployment is going to rise and people are going to be poorer?
I accept that the cutting in funds is inevitable in some part due to lack of money; but I do think it has been swept up within this ideological Big Society mumbo jumbo as well which is why I'm sceptical. Maybe I have no reason to be sceptical. And maybe we'll be proved wrong. I hope so.
But yeah I don't think there's harm is trying to foster a culture of volunteering per se. I'd be interested to hear what voluntary work DAVE™ is undertaking at the moment though - no-one likes a "do as I say don't do as I do" politician...
These schools that are being run by People Who Could Do A Better Job... What heppens if, actually, they couldn't. And they've pissed a whole bunch of cash down the drain. Along with my child's opportunities. What then?
I'll put the propensity for the curriculum to be overrun by creationist nonsense to one side for a mo and assume that these people we're talking about aren't religious mentallers, just A N Other group of motivated, well-meaning people from the community, who have gotten ideas above their station.
If these alleged hoards of people are so set on being a part of running a school and improving local educational standards, why don't they already work in the existing schools? Why do the schools have to be beyond the administration of the Gov. Is the curriculum genuinely too restrictive? If so, why can't we just tweak that (in general, or to allow for special cirsumstances)?
Free Schools bypass local authority control (with its locally elected councillors), and are instead directly responsible to ‘Michael Gove… and [his] army of early 20 year old fastream graduates.’
If anything, it’s centralising local education accountability, rather than devolving it.
As to who will set up these schools, well, if those applying for them are anything to go by, it’s going to be religious groups and busy-body parents and certainly not educationalists and teachers that are actually going be behind it.