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For instance if your boyfriend was a bit secretive about his past, or when a new guy asked you out?
Let's have a racism thread.
I was also going to make a completely inappropriate joke but have decided against it :|
"Depends how long I'd gone without for"
If so, that's horrible and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Forgot the safetywink ;)
But I'd be all over it finding out if the weirdos in the office are listed. If it pulls off it'll provide some of the greatest "I KNEW it!" coups in history...
and if anything, it could be misused, though in all cases i would side with the woman at the start
who is meant to police this register?!
would i use the rape directory? well, everyone has a quick google of potential dates, right? if they happened to turn up in the rape directory, I'd probably feel a bit wary, yes.
It's not just that its integrity isn't guaranteed, this kind of thing is crying out to be abused.
Just A BIT WARY sweetheart?
Well, probably best to hear them out at least...
shut the fuck up
that's really disrespectful
no offence intended, untiwst thine knickers.
but i'm sure the humour would bypass you if you were ever in a situation where someone was violently attacking you, threatening to kill you, or even if you woke up next to someone utterly repellent who are you are fairly certain that you would not have willingly slept with. and they were definitely more sober than you, given that you are in their bed.
it's funny how jokes about rape stop being funny so easily
...but there was not really much harm in her making it. Don't see how it's much worse than the comment I made.
Apologies for opening a can of worms all the same.
Also, to make it clear, I'm not talking about personal experience. I'm just seeing it from the perspective of women who have had those kinds of experiences.
considering there are several bad jokes on here made by men, and I don't see you reacting to them.
you may want to copy and paste your initial comment at the bottom.
My joke's not bad.
I'm certainly not the first person to use the word 'rapey' on here in a joking context, but I can see why some people might have found my comment offensive.
i really don't bother reading most threads properly and just alight on the first thing i see thinking i've skim-read the earlier comments at least.
it certainly wasn't 'pick on the other women commenting on the thread'.
YOu just want to be Queen Bee.
She's got to go through me first
because by inference you were putting those words into hella's mouth or at least it was sort of a joke at her expense since she was the one being 'wary'. Um. Maybe I was reading it wrongly. Sorry.
I do, quite genuinely, like (*cough* how do I put this) sexually confident (?) men. I meant it in reference to me, nobody else. I should not have said what I did though, mea culpa.
I just read it threaded so I saw it a bit like that and that was why I assumed hellatronix got a bit more upset that I would have expected. :)
It seemed like an open goal, and I'm more 'twit' than 'wit', and therefore a lazy striker. I should know better. Sorry for any offence, and for the fact that my initial 'apology' was perhaps less than gracious :)
I think there are degrees of it. Most people know the difference between a regrettable encounter and what i'm describing.
Probably not. Its not something that crosses my mind when I meet a new man.
They don't sound as much of a threat as IRL rapists.
if we include banned members.
we all saw through TheoGD
You need to take a long hard look at your material. Maybe poach some of Lucien's writers...
this is the thing about lucien- he waits, and then makes a solid post. i get so excited about a basic crummy joke that i jump the gun and miss the best stuff.
which I can see some sense to.
But she just wants women to publically denounce men as rapists with out any sort of proof apart from their own accusations. I know we have an appalling record on rape convictions, but that is a fucking stupid idea.
Masifley trying not to laugh.
'Convicted rapists in Hemel Hempstead please?'
'Would you like those texted to you?'
I could have asked any one of a multitude of questions but this is the one that occured to me.
You can always start a thread asking another question if you like.
IF YOU MUST KNOW, it's 'cos that was the question as posited on a TV show I just saw, discussing the the differing online behaviour of men and women. I asked the question I was interested in hearing an answer to, not the one you wanted to hear. Which is usually how asking questions works.
I'm just more interested in women's responses to the questions.
He's got a button that's marked "shhh baby"
was that in your questioning of why DK omitted to talk about how men could use the site, you yourself failed to consider that they might want to check that their own girlfriends for a history of sexual assault on the list.
what you say is true, but then again, if it's coming to a non-conviction level of 'outing' people, maybe there have been men who've been abused who would feel comfortable anonymously pointing the finger at a woman in exactly the same way.
we all have our own blindspots in our preconceptions.
Some of the DiS females went for each other elsewhere in the thread and the post count is now sufficently high to validate me.
Because of the 'all'? If that's replaced with 'the overwhelming majority of' will it work?
"Not all women are rape victims, but the overwhelming majority of rape victims are women."
The focus on false accusations, in newspapers and elsewhere, skews the debate away from "why is the conviction rate for rape so low?" towards "can we trust these women to tell the truth?"
I agree there is a ridiculous preoccupation on false accusations in the red-top press and that it skews broader debate on issues surrounding rape, its policing and conviction rates.
But I still don't see that the notion that the majority of real false accusations are made by women is in itself flawed. Your post is fair but a little irrelevant to this specific point.
I don't have an appetite for this discussion, to be honest. Most of my thoughts on the subject have already been expressed by someone else.
Also, what about false accusations. Surely this would be an invasion of privacy. Yes rape is awful and the conviction rate is next to none but I think this is verging on vigilanty activity.
rape of the mind?
i jumped the pun in my desperation to say something witty
is some sort of combination of analysis and therapy...
does this make me a serial killer or something?
"it's a prostitute in the woods!"
I saw - the penis mighty
would far outweight any benefits something like this might have, perhaps though her mentioning this will bring some more attention to the poor rape conviction rate in Britain.
Not for the reasons you gave, just because I'm massively nosey.
Also, I think it's a bad idea. Thanks.
No? Well it did. And I looked at it. Actually I did more than that. I downloaded it and did a Ctrl+f to see who showed up nearby.
And I'm ashamed of myself for doing so.
It made for pretty salacious reading, but the veracity of it was questionable. And ultimately, it's none of my fucking business what political party someone's part of if they don't want to tell me.
Like a little yellowed spinal cord
"You're soooooooooo going on the rape register son"
But I've got chuff all time for this whole "we demand that a list of wrong 'uns be posted on the intertrons" thing until someone persuades me otherwise.
I stole some black jacks from the sweet shop when I was a kid. Will my name be posted on some name and shame website??
I've just read the article.
She's not even 'just' asking for a list of convicted rapists. Which would be fraught with issues, to say the least.
She's actually advocating, and I quote, "an online dossier, so if a woman had a date with a guy and he did something to her, or frightened her, and she asked him to stop and he didn't, then instead of going to the police she should put him online.".
If the biggest problem is "we would never get convictions in a court of law for date rape", online slurs are definitely not the way to go about solving it.
If there's gonna be a list, we should first be thinking about simply listing all fathers and uncles as rapists.
"hey Smithy: your dad's a rapist."
i'll get the boxing ring and the custard.
I may sit and eat it, making it a pretty rubbish fight.
i'd better not be being hustled here
you would be sleeping on the couch for the next month.
I'd say we're probably equally matched (and with an equal penchant for custard!)
and it's a party
foxy boxing with custard into, basically, lunch? SORCERY.
but only after lunch
But why would this be limited to rape? Why not have a huge database where you can see everyone's rap sheet?
Oh...because of the notion of trying to rehabilitate criminals and giving them a second chance? And obviously the problems of wrong convictions later being overturned and someone unfairly having their name up for all to see, in connection with a crime they didn't commit.
I think the focus should be on increasing the conviction rate and punishing those that commit the crimes.
It doesn't actually warrant being taken seriously.
A website that anyone could add someone too after having a bad experience???
So if a guy goes on a date and decides he's not keen on the girl and doesn't want to see her again - what happens if that girl doesn't handle the rejection very well and is able to put his name on this online dossier?
I don't know much about Greer, but I always had her down as highly intellectual. This is the MOST stupid idea I've heard in a long time.
^amusing parallel to my intial 'internet lists of crims are dodgy' post, followed up with an 'OMG WTF' after reading the quotes in the article.
which is all good. the dangerousness of what shes apparently proposing bears repeating.
Yeah. That doesn't really work.
it's not going to help ANYTHING.
Have fun in prison.
I would in principle have no problem with a list of convicted felons being availible on the net (with some caveats) but I don't see how limiting it to rape is useful; ABH, GBH, murder, rape, mugging, abuse, slavery ... any crime in which someone commits a serious criminal act against another person (as opposed to property) should be fair game
as for having an 'accusations noticeboard' ... get the fuck out
this might have appeared in the wrong place ^, but when did the f word come into this? I was asking specifically you.
this WAS appearing in the wrong place before. brilliant. never mind then!
see also: liberal.
it's one of a slew of terms that have been tossed around and used erroneously almost to the point of it being a term of abuse than an actual descriptor.
it's idiots proudly bringing everyone down to their level. which is a great shame.
I am a feminist
and a liberal
with which to subjugate women
Some feminists will support this, some won't.
I think it's ridiculous vigilanteism and contrary to the rule of law which supports due process, and 'innocent until proven guilty'. However, publishing lists of *convicted* rapists is different. A court of law has found them guilty, and so they have lost- to a degree at least- the liberty of the innocent.
As it happens, I don't agree with publishing details of convictions, for any crime, but I can understand why you might make a distinction for rape (or, essentialy, date rape). A list of convicted muggers might not help you get mugged, but a list of convicted date rapers WOULD help you avoid being in a situation where you could be date-raped. The problem however is that a list of convicted date-rapers would be pretty small, since it's the hardest kind of rape to prove/convict upon, because the defenece will also be 'consent', which is as hard to disprove as it is to prove.
So, asides from the jurisprudential atrocity that this would be, it probably wouldn't really 'work' anyway.
that's where my 'caveats' come in
but I don't really have time to devise a foolproof system in my lunchbreak
anyone who supports Greer's proposal as outlined in the Daily Mail (so perhaps not the most reliable paraphrasing) wants their head read
I should just go back to making terrible jokes
There's been nitpicking about who the question should be addressed to, and a few of the broads have gone for each other's throats, but it's not been as fiery as the feminist threads of old. The post count is alright but it's a bit of a let down, really.
maybe thru anger......by having this info online it will encourage people to go and beat up some of the men on the list......this will then lead to those vigilantes being prosecuted and some very messy court cases (not that that should matter much compared with the crimes...but still a consideration)
(working on a purely statistical basis without and comment on you personally, who i don't know, a milion safety winks etc etc)
If you meant that then that is exactly what I mean.....it would spark off a whole load of other violence and it might not be measured and directed...which means that it might not be very helpful....
Im against the list althogh part of me wants to be for it
to sexual abuse being committed by the parents of the child. I may be wrong though.
How is it very ill chosen?
as that "12 year old boys are well attractive, phwoar" thing she came out with a few years back. That was a guaranteed 300 post jobbie too.
There's an interesting issue well worth discussing buried in it somewhere, but it's presented in such a obviously pathetic manner it won't be, or at least not in any constructive manner. She thinks she's stimulating debate by reaching for sensationalism, and she isn't- she's merely reinforcing the impression that feminists are wierd men-hating idiots and feminism as a concept is rotten. And it seriously fucks me off because I have to deal with morons going on about how feminazis are destroying menz writes every day at work and on the net, and I know for a fact this article is going to be quoted at me ad verbatim by a grey skinned mouthbreather by the end of this week.
I usually quite like her when she's on a panel show or something like that- she generally comes across as smart, witty, just on the right side of self-aware. But other times, she's a little bit batshit.
I hate to sound ageist. But genuinely do you think she's not maybe as sharp as she used to be*? This just seems so idiotic for anyone of intellect.
*I don't know much about her and maybe she has always reached for sensationalism with controversial statements. My "impression" of her is that she was a bit more astute than that.
What I'd like to know though, is whether she's being entirely serious (in which case- farewell marbles GG), tongue in cheek to provoke debate (she has form for this), or quoted out of context al Daily mail (also extremely likely).
is she a bit simple?
the repercussions of anonymity on the internet/4chan etc.
So yeah, clearly just an idea being posited by someone who has never been online (beyond reading the papers or vanity googling or going on amazon or wtv)
is not a phenomenon that is restricted solely to the internet. Someone of her intellect ought to be able to see that deliberately circumventing the criminal justice system and encouraging people to make grave and potentially live-destroying accusations, whether online or offline, is retarded. Ignorance of the internet isn't good enough excuse.
But even some semi-clued up pre-internet people have trouble understanding just how the web opens up a whole can of whoopass if you don't have any cast iron respect for data protection & privacy. Or, more so, any kind of understanding of just how easy it is for 4chan to go ballistic (be it for 'good' or 'evil').
privacy, innocent-until-proven-guilty and vigilante justice concerns existed before the internet.
but all the same it annoys me that her stupidity is being defended or excused in any way whatsoever
then, as she gets sued into oblivion, perhaps it will dawn on her what a transparently awful idea it is.
what an awfully badly thought-out idea.
So what's the take out from this thread?
- rape is bad
- Theo is a modern day Jack the Ripper
Anything to add?
the best forum for nuanced discussion of important yet sensitive issues?
I'll get my coat.
is genuinely one of the better places on the internet I have found to have these kinds of discussions
- The Daily Mail has a website.
- defends FGM
- prejudiced against trans (blocked a woman who used to be a man from joining her stupid women only college) and got sacked for it
- written lots of shit articles
- can't take criticism
Bitter ex-girlfriends would list you after a messy break up.
then they've lost all credibility in my book.
but we all know what happened to that Paediatrician's surgery.
If this thing went live and I was a farmer growing rape seed then i'd be getting nervy.
a lot of her earlier assertions. But The Female Eunuch, Sex and Destiny and The Whole Woman (the bits I've bothered reading and indeed, understood) are excellent. Apparently she's a brilliant orator too. But yeah, she's done a lot of shit since. And what's with the butterflies?!
Dunno how I feel about this directory. I'm assuming it's for protest - and rape prosecutions/trials fucking do need a massive review - but it has a bit of the old News of the World naming and shaming about it. Also, it's just gonna make women look like hysterical vigilantes if they contribute, and it obviously will be misused. I think it will only serve to undermine the subject and cast further aspertions on raped women. Hmmmm.
but if you thought a guy was a potential rapist, wouldn't you just not go out with them?
I mean surely the entire reason that women (or men) can get into dangerous situations is because it's not immediately you're about to be in a dangerous situation until you're in it?
Unless you checked out every man you met on it of course. Which'd just take paranoia to an insane degree. To put the shoe on the other foot, if I found out a woman I was going on a date with had checked a website like this to find out if I was 'safe', I'd be so angry and offended I'd end things right there.
you could triangulate your bluetooth and google maps to be 'rape aware', maybe even have an augmented reality layer when looking through your iPhone camera that superimposes some kind of badge of shame on all the ALLEGED rapists in your field of view
If you meet a guy and think 'just check if he's a rapist', maybs just not bother?
kinda shows exactly why this would be a really bad idea.
And it's a few years since I've studied libel law but am I right in thinking the burden of proof is on the person being sued to prove that the claims are true (might be wrong - I forget which way round it is)? If so, this brings us immediately back to the problem in court cases that - even when there is truth in it - the evidence often just isn't there.
Which means pretty much everyone listed could sue and probably win.