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let the inquest begin.
A fried of mine sent me a text saying "is gareth barry really one of the best midfielders in England. Really?" Says it all really - something about cloggers.
Watching England is so uninspiring - luckily Scotland v Spain and (for a while) Swi v Wales were far more entertaining.
that scotland game did sound exciting. did they go 4-6-0 again?
and brought Mackie on second half. Looked/sounded like one hell of an atmosphere.
the two seem to relate quite closely. he is crap, his pass completion over distances of 8 yards must be about 13%. he gets beaten by players running at him all the time and i cannot for the life of me see why he is in the team. there must be someone in England who is better. bring david batty out of retirement, least he broke up play. the amount of times barry just takes a touch then just hoofs it into the air or plays a pass to someone that is hard to control is unbelievable for a player who is worth £20m. anyway...back to the poo. he will one day do something that will win us a game, stop us from losing etc and everyone will say 'gareth barry is brilliant', 'this is why he is one of the best midfielders in england' but one thing possibly happening in 13 yrs isnt enough. get rid. batty, bart williams, djemba djemba, even reo coker for goodness sake. there must be someone.
rant over. enjoy your day.
but there was one moment where he didn't close down a player who was fairly close to him receiving the ball, let them run straight past him and then just started jogging after them. My jaw was on the floor.
As a whole, i didn't think the game was a disaster, and thought that the fans booing at the end was embarrassing. Think they've got the team they deserve to be honest.
and it was going to be tough. we just dont have the players needed to break down teams that are workmanlike, set out to draw the game and close you down quickly. except johnson, who was the stand out player by a distance.
before realising you meant Adam, you did mean Adam didn't you?
he was alright in the first half, Glen was awful though.
If Montenegro had any of their decent attacking players fit then we may well have been talking about an England defeat.
who are what is glen?
and professional liability.
wait....the guy who stole the toilet seat from B&Q? he plays for england? last night? wow. i missed that.
at least one poster in yesterday's thread defending Barry still.
Well i suppose he DID completely control that midfield last night.
It was shocking. He just stood there. I was surprised the commentators didn't say anything.
Similar to when Oezil just strolled past him in the World Cup.
so mediocre they names him twice.
I mean, really?
had a couple of decent runs and looked lively at least. And I'm usually not a fan of him.
but everytime he had a chance to play a good ball to create something he fucked it up.
Need to freshen things up a bit?
Bring on Kevin Davies!
Even as the commentator tried his best not to patronise him, he still couldn't help portray him as the new Emile Heskey.
big, doesnt score often, but can hold the ball up and win headers. wow, spain must be quaking in their snazzy, creative, close control, super power boots.
Come from 2 goals down against the best international team in the world which few teams could do and then blow it, why the fuck don't we play like that all the time? Its irritating as fuck and i for one am sick of this glorious failure shit that we do so well.
so at least it's a while before they repeat the formula
Montenegro look pretty good. Can't imagine that they'll stay a bottom seed team for too long. Besides, England were missing their best players ... John Terry, Frank Lampard, Darren Bent ...
Montenegro are minnows (despite having three wins from three before last night and no goals conceded), don't you know, minnows! And England didn't thrash them! Moan, groan, Capello is crap etc.
Northern Ireland will be pleased though, it means nobody notices their draw with the Faroes.
Where's the surprise that England turned in yet another performance of overwhelming ineptitude? They've been doing it for decades now although I concede the last 8 years or so it has taken a turn for the worse. Don't think the injured players would have made the slightest bit of difference to be honest and as Tom quite rightly pointed out above we could have easily lost. A draw was a fair result ultimately.
Keith Curle. Great days.
Especially the fact that the Serbian fans causing trouble were attacking their own team bus (they seem to have a vendetta against an ex-Red Star Belgrade player who now plays for Partizan according to the Guardian site).
you're brightening up an otherwise fairly dull wednesday.
He was shit last night, mind.
is THAT much of a mystery is it?
Don't think rooney should have been playing last night, he was awful. Constantly moaning at the ref, followed immediately by hacking someone down to earn a silly booking.
The idea of Gareth Barry in Arsenal's midfield has pretty much reduced me to tears...
Didn't Burnley get a draw there last year?
So it needs a name with the appropriate amount of gravitas
Today Ewen Fields, tomorrow the World
would be like watching Lemmy doing Swan Lake.
or in goal. Better than the current options for the latter I guess.
and the overuse of the word 'great', it's probably a bit unfair for Barry to be singled out for criticism. That said, to suggest that he has stood out above the crushing mediocrity around him in an England shirt in 2010 is way off the mark.
Only Chelsea and Man Utd fans could laugh at your posts like the one above, and where's the fun in that?
that his job is to break up opposition play and maintain posession for us.
he does the opposite.
yes, rooney and gerrard were both shocking but the point is that they can turn a game in an instant. the only time barry is likely to do that is if he does something wrong and tries to pass the ball over a distance of more than ten yards and it is is intercepted by the opposition and they score.
if he is the first name on the teamsheet for city and england then i see great things on the horizon for both teams(!) and the other players must be shocked. what is more shocking is that there isnt ANYONE else who is battling him for that position and it doesnt look like there will be for a while.
...I find it quite endearing, your endless talking up of Gareth Barry. He's a very competent midfielder, and would be an asset to any squad. But THIS:
"The plight of Liverpool sums Barry's worth up better than anything else. A club who were still amongst the greatest in Europe, challenging for the title, fail to sign ONE player and are now the biggest laughing stock in the country and on the verge of going bump"
Is, without doubt, THE daftest thing I have read on this forum.
You forget the 'and has no clue whatsoever' in the middle of that sentence
having only one striker who is out of form, having david ngog as your second striker, having a dodgy defence, relying to heavily on steven gerrard to dig them out of holes, believing that because you won stuff in the 80's you deserve to win, believing that the fear of anfield and the kop that opposition teams have will enable you to win, lucas running the midfield and buying too many ordinary players.
not getting barry may have had some impact but was not a turning point. also, wouldnt that have ment that he played with gerrad, who you said is useless when he plays with barry??
as you were.
How we miss you.
To say because Liverpool's failure to sign Barry was the sole driver of the current predicament is the sort of perilous naiveity which you accuse everyone else of having.
I don't care if you play nice or not but play accurately at least...
Two very different things. The former shouldn't have happened.
it was amazing.
"have the FA learned NOTHING since the world cup? I thought they were going to revamp all the youth systems and acadamies so we produce better players. on tonights display that clearly isn't happening" We need better players to come through it's a disgrace we've learned nothing from the WC"
(most of that was said by alan green.) the man is a cretin
if we had the academies the Dutch have then it takes, one maybe two months to produce world class youngsters.
An attack devoid of the confidence to put away chances.
Defence looked alright but wasn't really challenged.
Capello's lack of ideas/inspiration during the game is still worrying. Only 2 subs used, like for like replacements likely due to tiredness more than anything else, no real urgency/pressing towards the end. There was an element of settling for a point with a squad lacking a couple of potential starters, which doesn't quite sit right given the majority of possession being enjoyed by England, and the clear gulf in individual quality.
It was the kind of game where 10 years ago Beckham would've been absolutely busting a gut and lifting the team towards the end, but now we get Shaun Wright Phillips dancing around before passing to a guy in the crowd.
That all being said 12 chances were created and none were put away. Unfortunately that's football sometimes.
Sure he can get away with battering defenders in the EPL but last night the referee rightly blew up at every chance, and booked him for it as well. If he'd started he would've struggled to stay on for the whole game.
Must have missed that bit.
was playing two wingers who want to cut inside. Nothing against either in particular but they're a luxury....you can get away with one, but you need at least one winger who can get a cross in. Especially when one of your overlapping full backs is Glen Johnson.
Glen Johnson did put in an excellent tackle about twenty minutes into the second half. That's one better than he usually manages.
The problem is, who the fuck would we replace him with? Gary Neville? Micah Richards? Tony Hibbert? Serious question: Who is England's second choice rightback?
He's got everything needed to be a wonderful player, but at present he flatters to deceive a lot more than he actually delivers.
He's still much, much better than SWP though.
so Liverpool fans get their wish and can finally sell the club to some americans. Until H&G appeal.
If they lose the next appeal then they can't appeal again unless they're appealing on a point of law. I doubt any new evidence is going to appear either so with any luck we're a step or so closer to putting this horrid mess behind us.
I'd imagine that would be a lot like a group of men breaking into your home and raping your family over a prolonged period of time.
Does this decision make it more, or less, likely that Liverpool will be deducted nine points?
This means that, pending the appeal, the board have the right to sell the club. There are still a lot of ins and outs (no homo) regarding the sale, but one piece of information to emerge from the hearing was that if RBS think there's a chance of a sale they're willing to extend the deadline to November 1st so all the necessary paperwork can be filed correctly.
The only way that can happen is if RBS take control of the club and put them into administration. Which being as they'd be trying to find a buyer would be pretty counter-productive.
I am now off to table a bid for Liverpool FC.
I just saw a photo of my friend outside the court! This has amused me somewhat!
because my one bet of the night was on Belgium, and also because of my all-conquering love for Marouanne Fellaini. Incredible game, one of the best I've seen for years- 8 goals, 3 of which came in the last 3 minutes (2-3 to 4-3 and finally 4-4), a load of other great chances (Belgium should have scored 6 or 7, not including decent half chances), woodwork getting rattled, Mike Dean poncing his way round the pitch in all his irritating glory and a comedy Paul Scharner sending off into the bargain. I've watched all three of Belgium's qualifiers so far, they spend about 85% of every game looking on the verge of being one of the best sides in Europe and the other 15% shitting themselves and defending like clowns. So many good young players in the team though, brilliant to watch. Not that I get paid out at the bookies for them being good to watch, like.
but just watching the goals doesn't give you a proper sense of what a good game it was. They're a great young side to watch (sadly for my pocket, this is partly because they do things like get caught 4 v 4 in the 93rd minute of games they've just taken the lead in)- of the starting 11, seven were 23 or younger, with only one player over 25, and two of the best teenage prospects in Europe (Eden Hazard and Lukaku) coming off the bench. I honestly think they could make a big impact at the next Euros, if they actually manage to get there.
and they are very young:
Kompany, Vermaelen, Witsel, Defour, Hazard and Lukaku should be qualifying for Euro 2012, even with no real quality goalkeeper.
fantasy team with no regards to tactics;
Unfortunately he is second choice to someone who sees using his hands as an optional extra. I have no idea how he is not getting a game. The last three players you named don't even start when fully fit, they have a great squad, there's just that 'something' missing that is stopping them becoming a great side.
i can't see them being a much lower standard than the rest of their forwards though.
I think Advocaat left pretty sharpish after it turned out half of them were irredeemable bellends. There was an article in the Guardian last year about their World Cup qualifying campaign that portrayed them as a right bunch of divas.
they are supposed to be an unsufferable bunch. It's strange though, you'd imagine that would make them snarly and arrogant on the pitch but if anything they seem a bit fragile, fairly easily bullied by sides with experience/a streak of what is known as "the Van Bommels." I imagine they just get back to the dressing room and argue amongst themselves, or sulk. I'm 3/1 on that Fellaini wins the Belgium squad Royal Rumble that is brewing.
If only to reward the fact that their players are magnificent on FM
page 22 top picture, just behind the second bald man from the right, you can see my little mop of hair over his shoulder
and that's my dad standing next to me
A pair of true Anfield heroes.
They've done us proud, ridding us of not only the horrible owners, but of the threat of administration and potential (and probable) relegation.
I'm delighted they have the club's best interests at heart. This is in itself, enough to convince me they will not repeat the mistakes of David Moores, and will find a truly credible buyer who has the club's long term future in his best interests.
This is a huge day for us. The season starts now.
that should sort it all out.
sorry, couldnt help myself.
As I said all along, if the sale goes through before the game, we'll dick them.
It has. 3-0 to us. Shabba.
"I'm looking at these match attax cards and I'm 74 attack. How does it work I'm seeing midfielders with attack 80+ that score 2 a season am I missing something"
"Is there anyone on twitter who works for match or these attax cards that can explain it to me please."
From his Twitter. :D
or Duncan Edwards
Top 4 premier league scorers of all time with alliterated names.
My suggestion of Julian Joachim was 5th :(
Both Sutton Utd legends.
I never saw Efan play for us before he left for Norwich, but Nko became a legend after squaring up to referee Joe Ross during our most recent, and horribly brief, stay in the Conference National in the 1999/2000 season. Joe Ross now officiates in the football league.
That makes me sad more than anything :(
Do you remember Mark Stein?
Stevenage legend that he was.
was a massive wanker as well. Such a shame, I liked him.
Billy Kenny. People whose opinion I really respect get a bit emotional when they talk about how good he was and could have become. Hit the ground running in the Premiership aged 18/19 as a box-to-box midfielder, man of the match in a load of the games he played. One cap for England Under 21s, tipped to become an England regular by the likes of Peter Beardsley and then booze/drug problems, failed drugs tests, failed rehabs, sacked by two clubs in less than 12 months and retired from the game aged 21 a fully-fledged cocaine addict. Totally self-inflicted obviously, but a shame nevertheless.
Without a shadow of a doubt.
Such a shame.
The Ebony Shoe? REALLY?!
good stuff but he's a bit presumptuous isn't he
"The former Doncaster striker, who is 33, told BBC Radio Leeds: "I don't know whether I'm going to be up front on my own or in a two.""
earn your place in the team first jfc
good to see. Also Hargeaves is in the United squad, but not sure if he'll feature til the CC game.
I hate Liverpool as much as the next rational man but my God those two are horrific aren't they
I'd hate to have been a Man Utd fan over the last few years, what an ordeal!
that they are so rich that money is literally meaningless to them. They are worth so much they can't lose money in any way that could meaningfully hurt them. The only thing that affects them is if their association with an activity causes them to lose face back home with one of their nominal rulers. The only time they wave their willies is at each other.
Hicks and Gilette are old fashioned capitalists who forgot the small print that says the value of an asset can go down as well as up. That they have got a tame judge to grant a meaningless injunction won't stop whatever deal Liverpool go with - it will just open the way for protracted litigation, which will presumably end with them being given a pay off to fuck off out of it.
I'm still hoping for administration, mind.