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I love it. Just admit it's brilliant.
im actually shaking form the last 10 minutes
Meadows has been nicely set up and delivered an hour of the macabre. As with most of his work he has used humour to an almost annoying extent and then contrasted it with something black as night. All I can say, roll on next week.
The final scene is going to stay with me for a long time though. Very, very difficult to watch. I'm surprised it was actually broadcast.
seems even more likely now.
LET ME SHOVE THESE EMOTIONS DOWN YOUR THROAT OK. Also a lot of rubbish shagging going on, as if it was turning into what Shameless unfortunately turned into.
smell is awesome though
nor the film.
I LOVE Meadows (samey as he can be) but I just think this is pretty average viewing. As I said last week, it's average but it's a lot better than most of the stuff on TV. The end was rather grim but no more than I'd expect from something of his.
Some of the acting is pretty crap too and that bully chap; the more stooge like version of Romeo Brass's Morrell, well he's verging on ridiculous rather than amusing. I know he's meant to a little...
I don't know if people's opinions differ depending on how familiar you are with Meadows' back catalogue, doesn't seem like it. I'm honestly a bit baffled by all the love; but then I said the same of Kick Ass SO WHADDOIKNOW?!
Agreed on Smell though, she's great :)
that bit at the end was so distressing. genuinely terrible. might stop watching.
made me a bit upset..
The whole thing is a clumsy, poorly contrived mess! - really, that 'shocking' final act to last night's episode could be seen coming as far off as Venus. It's as predictable, calculated and crassly sensationalist as any garbage you'd find in Eastenders or Hollyoaks, and the "Hey - lets jump from broad-OTT-comedy to in-your-face-gritty-realism" schtick is soooooooo Shameless/Skins, it's embarrassing. Anyone that thinks otherwise must have shit in their eyes!
Non-event/biggest disappointment of 2010!
You know when you are watching Shame Meadows, that something awful will happen, and he plays on it. I still remember watching Somerstown in fear for the awful thing happening, and of course in that film it doesn't which strangeley feels like a twist. Of course the rape was obvious, as is the bit when Combo does something horrific (probably to the rapist), but that is the way he works - you know the whole thing in advance and he then fleshes it out and tells it to you, despite you not really wanting to know.
So in short, I disagree.
Re 'Somerstown', ditto. Whch is my point. TIE86 is mechanical and predictable in the worst way possible. You can almost see the cogs and wheels turning as it rolls frustratingly towards the finishing line of obvious-pay-off-Hell! Everything you think will happen, happens and, exactly as you anticipated. Meadows should be 10 steps ahead of his audience, not 10 miles behind, as is the case here. CH4 appear to have handcuffed him.
and for the most part I think they've handled the transition amazingly well. Joe Gilgun was especially brilliant in last night's episode, he's kind of embodied the whole tone of the piece with that abrupt turn from comedy to desparation in one scene. Maybe it's not always the most seemless passage, but a lot of it has been engrossing. Authenticity isn't something that you get on TV, or at least not in the forthright way Meadows does authenticity, and it's been good to see a television series that's been sort of personal and auteured (even if he's only now taken on directing duties).
But, my God, that ending was probably the bleakest, rawest thing I've seen on broadcast TV. I expected dark, but I was not ready for that.
That rape scene has completely messed with my head though. I don't know whether it's me being a big girl's blouse or whether it's just the fact that that's the first time I've seen a realistic portrayal of rape. Either way it was on my mind a lot today, kept creeping up on me like acid reflux of the mind didn't it. Genuinely wish I hadn't seen it.
It wasn't supposed to be shocking because it was like "hey, surprise, rape!" was it? The inevitability and tension was a large part of the shock, similair to combo attacking milky.
Don't watch Straw Dogs.
As I understand it, Meadows was back in the Directors seat for that one and the last one, which would explain why Ep3 seemed far more filmic than the first two. It seemed much more in keeping with the original than just being a soap on fast forward like the first two tended to be. So it's coming together I guess.
I thought it was only a 3 ep thing, so I thought that was the actual ending right there. Durrr.
Shaun aside, Smell has always been a candidate for best character so it's nice to see her get some decent screen time.
Lol & Milky being divs was a bit groansome so I'm glad that's apparently passed.
The rape scene was pretty inevitable once it had been set up. But that didn't make it any less repulsive. It was pretty ballsy to not hold back from just alluding to what happens and to make a go of depicting it with some sense of awful reality. It's scary how fucked up Micks mind would need to be to go through with that and how utterly powerless Trev was. The sense of 'this-could-be-your-living-room everydayness' was palpable. I think all that was put aross well.
As JimmyHuntspill says above, the overall purpose of Combo's return seems pretty predictable at the moment. But I don't doubt that Meadows will steer things along without resorting to making it as simple as it first appears it might be. There will surely be some sort of twist to it.
i thought this week was really, really weak, and the rape scene handled really poorly....
i know they must've deliberatly set trev up to be quite a self-effacing character, seeing as that was her first speaking scene...and so the fact that she doesn't put up much resistance should've been haunting...but i dunno.....it just seemed so...inevitable? for want of a better word. they managed to make such a horriffic moment feel quite routine and, 'oh yeah, course he rapes her'. i didn't feel any shock or dramatic tension, i just kept thinking about what the actors must've said to each other before they began the scene
i dunno...maybe i should watch it again.
comic moments were top though...gadget amazing again, and the fight to dr feelgood...lovely stuff.
also, the disintegration of lol is brilliant and sean and smell are just wonderful together.
but i am very wary about the big dramatic confrontation that it all seems to be building to....we'll see.
that struck me as kinda the point. the crushing inevitability of it. that this shit goes on every single day. something like that, anyway.
we all do it....there are always interpretations..
it reminds me of this old pitchers cartoon. the two screenwriters are walking out of the cinema...one says to the other, 'hey...i'm a bit worried about the script...after all the re-writes, the narrative sort of got fucked up and mixed all over the place'......something like that.
the other one goes, 'don't worry, you can always rely on the audience'
then we see two customers walking away from the film, one saying to the other...'well i thought the jumbled narrative was clearly a representation of the main protagonists troubled mind'
swings and roundabouts, innit?
that's obviously related to her character.
trev hasn't said a word in all three episode or film, and so we'd guess that this is how she would react. whereas lol, for example, you imagine would probably go allsorts of batshit in an effort to escape
trev hasn't been portrayed as an assertive character, which, as i said, should make it more tragic when she is so easily dominated by this man....but i just don't think the scene was as effecting as it could've been.
which sounds AWFUL, because, y'know...rape is a horrific thing and any depiction should be enough to disgust you. but it's still a script with actors and direction and, for me, i don't think it worked.
just the whole set up...it felt too forced. it felt like the script forced the rape to show that mick is a cunt, rather than it just happening as a matter of course because his character is a cunt. if that makes any sense...i dunno.
Same goes for Kelly. It's the show's biggest failing for me, having these two female characters just tacked on to the end of the group. Makes it feel unbalanced. I do agree the set-up felt a little forced though. Quite a lot forced. But the rape itself was easily the most affecting I've seen on TV.
but doesn't Trev try to touch Micks face as if to appeal to his human nature in order to get him to question his own actions or summats? How's that for a touch of the subtly grotesque?
i've been talking shit..awful, awful.
i think the first time i watched it i was concentrating too much on the awkwardness of watching it with my dad and maybe not taking it all in properly.
I thought that scene was good in that it showed how frightening someone could be and the threats he made would scare me.....simply because the person recieving those threats is not in the same place (mentally as the one making the threats)
Mick was frightening and I could well imagine that many women have suffered and then been dismissed as not having resisted enough.....Trev wasnt ready for that.....Mick was......Mick is the sort of cunt that buggers up other peoples lives because they selfishly only consider themselves, any empathy they may feel for others they dismiss.
Trev was blameless and I dont really see how some people could be expected to put up much resistance given the monstrousness of Mick
Jeesuusss ......meanwhile in the back of beyond, raped woman gets stoned by crowd.....rapist gets pat on the back and let off scot free......fucking hell
Still on my mind.
gang, pure quality, the leader is so ridiculous it somehow works
rape scene was grim but not that bad
go watch irreversible
let's take bets now....
will mick kill combo, or will combo kill mick?
this is good tv. The script and acting is so much better than you usually get on channel 4 and it looks great.
I watched this back to back with the second episode and I think it's got so much better. Woody having a bit of a moment with Milky in the bathroom was really sad to watch, he's one of my favourites along with Smell.
That rape scene was horrid, you could see it coming a mile off but it didn't matter, from the moment she walked in I was hoping and hoping he wouldn't do anything but I knew he would, and every time it cut back to them I got more and more anxious and it was just horrible.
It was predictable that Mick was the bad guy from day one, and you knew from the moment it was suggested that he might be a nonce that there was going to be a horrible scene to orchestrate that but that doesn't make it any easier to take that scene in.
Be interesting to see what they do with Combo in next week's episode and to watch it all kick off between Lol, Woody and Milky. I predict a death.
However, if it raises awareness, or more gives victims the courage to speak out about such a thing that happened to themselves, after seeing it on the tv, then its worth leaving the nation scarred with that scene. I love the series. I think Meadows has done a brilliant job and also a good call switching the position of main character. I haven't read too much into it because I don't really want to spoil the last episode for myself. But fuck me, it's quality television.
Really challenging viewing offset with touches of humour, really was quality viewing. What a climax though!
...obvious Mick was gonna turn out to be a cnut, and that the minute Trev knocked on the door something bad was gonna happen. So we are all potential Shane Meadowa are we?? No! The way it built to it was great filming and I personally was very affected by the scene.
One question though, maybe the last episode will answer this. Combo has returned and turns up a Shaun's place. But how did he know it was Shaun's place, or was that just pure coincidence?? A few scenes previously Shaun had said to Smell that he had only moved into that house a few months earlier.