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Best question of the day so far, probably going to be tough to beat.
"Much as I like and applaud it, I want to see the three-dimensional foldout version of the Pyramid of Egregiousness. I want a 3D glow-in-the-dark dodecahedron, a planet-sized Matrix of Misogyny, a Trillion-Faceted Dynamo of Jet Black Turbo Hate. Then I'd heave it aloft and hurl it into the sun, where it would set off a massive chain reaction and shoot out sky-scraping beams of feminist rage which kill anyone, male or female, who's ever used those words, wiping out (I'd say) 90% of human society, but leaving the non-woman-haters behind. Then we could all relax and be happy."
They just had 'How about funbags?' in one of the little quote bubble things and it's still making me laugh.
So she'd kill anyone who used silly words. Interesting. She really needs to grow up.
Perhaps Bidisha's becoming aware of her faint whiff of ridiculousness and is starting to send it up.
"Then I'd heave it aloft and hurl it into the sun" - everyone knows girls can't throw
Does it have to be in a sexist context, or just general use of those words?
you're going down too.
Do you mean that the 'Trillion-Faceted Dynamo of Jet Black Turbo Hate' is merely a euphemism for Bidisha's vagina, and my punishment is to delicately lick and probe its brackish outer layer with my quivering tongue?
She loved it. To the extent that when I saw her a couple of months ago and greeted her with her actual name rather than Funbags, she was upset and asked me why I hadn't called her it.
Bless her. I'm now off to look at Facebook photos of her funbags. Good morning one and all.
She had massive funbags.
you're not even going to offer to share the pics with the rest of us?
some guy said this to me at atp (maybe it was a low cut dress, idk)
i swiftly went back to the chalet and changed
it's an awful word!
Unless you're a gaylord. Or a titwitch.
Funbags is pretty inoffensive... I'd go as far to say that it would raise a smile from me!
They're bags of fun!
making them sound like they're ridiculous
See also: willies
women with big hands = scary scary
plus you want perspective on your side huh?
MY TRAIN IS LOST ON THE TRACKS BETWEEN THE MOUNTAINS OF FUNBAGGIA :(
as the voice of Travis Morrison in 'Girl O'Clock' by The Dismemberment Plan.
those are the wrong kind of titwanks
some unknown randomer coming out with it to you at a gig is pretty pathetic
"How about funbags?"
the annoying thing about this is that in every bidisha article there's a handful of thought provoking points but they're obscured by her heavy-handed approach to debate.
Women (girls?) can be referred to as 'girly girls' in a non-derogatory way, meaning they are quite feminine, have heard some do this to themselves.
The phrase 'men against boys' is most certainly not a complimentary one towards the boys.
Also, was in the office the other day, and some people were talking about a chap that someone had gone on a date with but wasn't really happy with. 'He's a boy, not a man' smirked one of those talking, killer put down.
I think you might be on to a loser here.
But most of these are about context. You can use 'girls' to refer to women without being sexist if you're in a conversation where it's clear the women you're talking to are using it that way also.
Just jokes, i agree with you, context is always a pretty important consideration. To be honest, i feel a little embarrassed that i've been drawn into a bidisha thread and taken it any more seriously than funbags.
Yes "girl or "boy" CAN be used as in a belittling way, but it's far from "always a negative thing", "infantilising/depreciating/denigrating her and her worth as an adult human being". That's a FAR too much of a sweeping a statement.
And your contradict yourself with your example definitions.
girl = "ultra feminine, docile, quiet", but also "scream like a girl"
boy = "athletic, youthful, energetic", but also "acting childish"
There are approximately one million billion women out there who proudly describe themselves as "girly girls". And an equal number of boys who quite happily refer to themselves as "boys" self deprecatingly.
*equal number of _men_ who...
Can we just talk about the Spice Girls for a moment? Independant strong women that are all about GIRL POWER! not Woman power. Its all contextual (oh big word).
If women were just called 'woms' then we wouldn't have to worry about this. The issue is that girl, girls, boy, boys, man and men are all single syllable words which makes their use interchangeable when it comes to phrasing. But woman and women require different structuring within a sentence.
'Woman power' is not the same as 'girl power', whereas 'boy power' and 'man power' don't have that issue.
So really part of the whole sexism of these terms is compounded by something wholly outside the field of sexual politics.
for a man to be referred to as a boy is far more insulting, unless it's in a context of social equals (old boys' network)
or "boys' night out" (mates together & generally positive), or any of a number of other examples.
I'm not claiming "girls" or "boys" can't be used demeaningly. They obviously can.
My point was that claiming that using the word "girls"/"boys" to address or describe a group of adult females/males is automatically demeaning is a simplistic take on things, at best.
it's socially acceptable for a man to act childish
The fact that men have generally been in a more powerful position doesn't meant it should be ignored and accepted, which you seem to be doing. Withering, patronising comments about boys happen a lot.
Otherwise I'm generally on your side about the 'girls' thing.
I doubt that's always the intent, is a show like golden girls inherently sexist?
"Where is wishpig where is wishpig where is AWWWWW YEAH"
why do we need to know what they look like?
On my screen, the photograph is animated, so that the mouth moves in time to the words as you read them.
= 2.9727 Bulgarian airbags (C-cup Posh Spice)
= 20.4375 Walnuts
= 9.3429 Chicken's eggs
= 3.27 Grapefruits
= 0.2954 Footballs
= 0 Olympic-sized swimming pools
You're a hero.
is a blatently biased really damn sexist assault. what if they really are a bad mother?
unless it means it like she's one baaad mutha', which still doesn't quite fit
I really like the Pyramid of Egregiousness
and didn't throw up you'd be quite pleased.
As has been said elsewhere on this thread, she does make some valid points. But I don't think most of the above terms she wants to add to the misogynist list are valid as they're just opinions on character, applicable to men as much as women.
I think she's been called all the above before and taken it to mean whoevers saying it is misogynist, instead of it meaning that she in particular is just paranoid, agressive and unable to take a joke...
Lighten up, eh?
But it's a valid point that there are words there that have absolutely no gender context at all. If a woman claims some guy was being sexist and another guy disagrees and says she's being paranoid does that make the use of the word 'paranoid' automatically sexist? It's surely a self-fulfilling prophecy in such cases.
I'm saying that reappropriating generic terms that define anyone regardless of gender as a misogynist seems to me misleading, as it appears at the least to suggest that such characteristics couldn't be possible in women, when they're possible (and evident) in most people.
I get that she says the impact is in the delivery, but I felt she stretched her examples in such a manner that make you assume that any man saying 'hello' is a cold-hearted dickhead.
In whole, some good arguments, but written in too defensive a manner.
I don't like that article. I find it interesting that PMS, Time of the Month, and similar are in the middle of the pyramid. I take that to mean that no woman can ever claim her time of the month as an excuse for being bitchy, weepy, etc.
PMS as reason for 'voliatile emotions' is valid.
But being dismissive and/or automatically inferring PMS it's the reason for 'voliatile emotions' is where you'd be getting slightly belittling.
The fact that YOU have never heard the term funbags before isn't weird at all. You gaylord.
She needs to watch American Pie, the daft bint.
Also, I own this book. It's pretty funny.
I refuse to accept that.
And if that's the case, she's old as well as female. Sucks to be her.
when she was 16.
Look, as far as I'm concerned American Pie invented the expression MILF. Any other origin story will disrupt my world view too much for me to even consider it.
I'm not remotely bothered by semantics, and find they divert from bigger issues, as I think we've established ad nauseum in other threads, BUT if a person, or group of people, are personally offended, demeaned or belittled by somebody's use of language, then I do think we need to think very carefully about that.
"Slut" is an example, and is quite often used to demean attractive successful women. I've been called similar by jealous male colleagues in the past, and responded by being better and becoming their bosses and then letting them make my tea for me. I know question whether or not I had a respnosibility to take more convential steps to address this behaviour, to protect other women who might not be as capable of sucking it up and getting on. Hmmm, conflicted- again.
i don't think that the sort of behaviour you describe needs to be treated as a feminist issue, and to do so may in fact be detrimental to what you're trying to achieve.
If someone is demeaning, intimidating or generally being a nob to others, then this is a bad thing. The fact that it's from a man to a woman shouldn't be the focus, and can foster us and them siege mentalities.
but when I read articles like bidisha's, and speak to people who DO believe that the language we use goes to the core of the issue, then I start to questoin my stance. I have the skin of a rhino, but not everybody does. If there are two ways to take a comment somebody makes, I'll always give them the benefit of the doubt, and that applies with sexist issues too BUT with some language, is there really a genuinely innocent interpretation? Going back to 'slut', again....'Slut', as well as being an insult, can also be descriptive of somebody's behaviour, as a matter of fact. However, assuming it's even acceptable or necessary to pass comment on a person's sexual behaviour, why not just say 'promiscuous'. It feels less damning, and is more gender neuutral. I am just musing, really.
"With power... comes responsibility."
*says something inappropriate*
I hope they didn't use the, uh, 'special' milk. :-/
If yours is like skimmed milk, you need to see a dr Theo!
'Bellend' is word often used to demean witty and dashing men, and many people have told me I'm a bellend (or similar). I'd never joined the dots before...
"I'd like to add some words to the Pyramid myself. There's humourless, paranoid, selfish, prudish, unable to take a joke, hysterical, man-hating, aggressive, butch: these words essentially just mean "shut up, woman"."
I mean seriously? Is she just trying to wind me up or is she actually this fucking retarded.
or get the funbags out
For chrissakes woman stop looking for the tiniest creases of oppression when ironing the shirt of equality!
I can't believe this one's tipped a century.
It's like the new BANZAI!
good work. how did you manage this?
It made me chuckle, though. Lots.
CCB Not in the literal sense... that good have gone a whole lot wrong :/
Could!! Too much sugar/caffiene on a Friday afternoon results in this kind of posting. I apologise!!!
Funbags, a whole lot of fun,
prizes to be won.
It's a real crazy show where anything goes.
Funbags, it's a quiz,
it's a race, a real wacky place,
Use your body and your brain
if you wanna play the game!
I think she's being sexist thinking women are the only holders of fun bags, i've got a pair of fun bags, or at least ball bags.
and the barman has just told a woman that her friend, another woman, wouldn't like a particular beer because women don't tend to like it. Something for you there. To round off the day. No need to thank me.
He may have just been going on multiple past experiences when women have not liked it, which may have been much more common than men not liking it.
extremely successful troll is extremely successful. DIE DIE DIE BIDISHA FUCK OFF AND DIE
I love Bidisha threads.