I have a very real fear of teleportation
If they invent it in my lifetime, I'm not trying it.
Here's why:
If say Mr Smith gets in teleportation Booth A to be teleported to Booth B, it's quite possible, because it'll deconstruct you and then map you over to Booth B, that in fact what comes out of Booth B might look, sound and be identical to Mr Smith, but won't ACTUALLY by Mr Smith. It'll be a fucking clone.
Whereas Mr Smith, himself - as in his consciousness - died when he was teleported.
Worse still is that this clone o Mr Smith will act and talk exactly like the old Mr SMith and even SAY and THINK he's Mr Smith but he won't be. He'll be an imposter, but no-one will realise, including himself.
Even worse still, everyone will thus think teleportation is completely safe and thus will start using it all the time until the whole world is full of clones and people are dying all the time and no-one even realises.
IT FREAKS ME OUT.
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it would have been better if gina davis had snuck into the pod instead of a fly
Get away!
I think it will be telefantastic
It's a one way path to mass genocide by accident
Accidental Genocide! (that's a wicked name for a band btw).
"FUCK YOU LONDON!"
"WE ARE ACCIDENTAL GENOCIDE FROM TOKYO JAPAN! THIS SONG CALLED 'TELEPORTATION CLONE MASSACRE SPREE!!! IT GONNA KICK YO ASS!!!"
didn't people say the same thing about the telephone
you speak into the phone at one end, but it's not actually your voice coming out at the other end, it's just a copy of your voice. SO WHAT THE FUCK HAS HAPPENED TO MY ACTUAL VOICE!?
this is why THE PRESTIGE
shat me up so much. Wolverine was like dying all the time. And there was a version of him still alive but dozens of versions that were dying.
So he'd be like "oh man I'm ok lol!" but at the same time the version of him that got into the tesla teleport thingy was like "oh noes!"
^^ SPOILER ALERT
*Googles The Prestige*
No wait, what you talking about
provide IMDB link to back up your backing up. I'm interested!
it's a film
starring Wolverine "Hugh" Jackman and he's like a magician. And he's got an awesome trick. But he's cheating because Nikola Tesla (played by David Bowie) has invented a teleport. (Actually it's a cloning thing so he has to set a trap to kill the version of himself that goes into the trap).
But all that's revealed in the last 5 minutes so I've totally fucked the film up for you soz.
And Christian Bale is twins
might as well go the whole hog.
good work
Are you saying that man with the ludicrous fake beard
who never speaks and the camera never lingers on is his twin?
and it turns out Bruce Willis is a ghost too!
crying game - ITS A MAN
And (SPOILER) all along all he had to do was have a twin brother (SPOILER OVER)
Tough break, man.
Thanks for reminded me how great this film is.
But Neo killed Mr. Smith and all his clones, right?
One word:
Doom.
can you put some words round it please
to form a "sentence"?
How about
FUCKING DOOM.
Teleportation probably won’t happen like that.
It’s more likely to work by opening up something akin to ‘mini-wormholes’ through which a person will be able to step, physically.
FACT:
Man is a lot bigger than a worm, never mind a mini-worm.
Idiot.
:D
Not seen Tremors?
Or Dune
or Beetlejuice
or Gattica
But why would it matter if the original version died if the clone is exactly the same?
Because YOU die
I'm sure you'd care if they decided to kill you and let your clone walk around instead.
Worst is though, that the clone wouldn't KNOW he was a clone and would think he's still the original consciousness / soul / whatever.
Yeh, but what makes "you", "you" anyway?
Are "you", the same "you" that "you" were 5, 10 or 15 years ago?
What's different? "You" probably still think of "you" as being the same "you" as "you" were at those points in your past, but technically, on a physiological and psychological level, the "you" "you" are now is not the same "you" that "you" were back then. Nor are "you" the same "you" that "you" will be in 10, 20 or 30 years from now.
So it's moot whether "you" are really "you" or a facsimile of "you" as that "you" will be just as different from "you" now as "you" would be from "you" in 30 years from now.
Also, would the facsimile "you" have a soul? Is that something which can be 'copied'? Wouldn't the cloned versions of "you" just be soul-less shells? Would that have an effect on how the facsimile "you"s acted? What if the facsimile "you"s were degraded in some way during the transfer/cloning process in the way that 3rd or 4th generation photocopies and faxes degrade? What if, what if...
Whether or not your clone can have a soul
Whether or not you're different to how you were 15 years ago.
Whether or not your clone degrades when it is teleported
YOU WOULD STILL BE DEAD. Jsut because there's a clone doesn't mean it's you. It's your clone. You'd be gone!
I like you.
You are mad.
=D
Look at all these lovely speech marks.
Those were the days.
look at reg barclay over here
why don't you go to the holodeck to relax for a bit reg
maybe make some programs where you have sex with all your friends
hope ryker doesn't walk in while you're balls deep in hologram troi
he will be in a really terrible mood
:D
BRUNDLEFLY FUSED WITH TELEPOD 2
but if the clone of Mr Smith that came out of booth B is EXACTLY the same as now dead mr smith
then why would it even matter? Cloned Mr Smith doesn't know he's not real Mr Smith. The guy teleporting him won't know the difference and it wouldn't actually matter.
But the original Mr SMith is dead
he might have been really looking forward to his holiday in Australia, chooses to go by teleport for the convenience of it. But then he dies and never gets his holiday!
The cloned version will still have the holiday excitement within him.
If I know Mr Smith as well as I think I do, I don't think that would be much consolation
exactly.
The cloned Mr Smith still knows hes going to Australia so no problem!
Also, when Mr Smith has finished his Australian get away, and he goes back into Booth B, does he come out as original Mr Smith (with no knowledge of his holiday) or is he a clone of the man that is a clone of Mr Smith.
* ??? (forgot them)
Look, it's freakish and sinister, if you teleport YOU die
and some clone, that thinks it's you walks about. And no-one even mourns your death becasue they're all up in your grill like "Hey Meowington glad you liked the teleportation machine I built" and your clone will be all like "yeah it was the shit!" but you are actually DEAD. Gone, no longer exist. your consciousness gone forever. Brown bread. Bought the farm. Kicked the bucket. you're an ex-parrot.
It's all very scary. So I'm never getting in one. I'd rather fly on Ryan Air.
why would people mourn me if i was still walking around saying how shit hot my teleportation machine is?
What is my consciousness? As far as I'm concernced I'm still here! NOT DEAD. If I was dead, you wouldn't see me doing my normal stuff.
No your clone would be here
Why is everyone grapping with this idea so much. Dolly the Sheep was cloned. If you then killed Dolly the Sheep she wouldn't live on because she has a clone. It's just a copy of you.
If you have a folder of stuff and you photocopy it, and then burn the original, it doesn't mean the original survives the fire because it's been copied.
YOU WOULD DIE. Thing is, and this is the real sinister part: Your clone would most probably think it was you, as it's a direct copy with same memories and such, and even if this clone has a conscience and everything it STILL wouldn't be you. You'd be dead by an evil teleportation machine.
So agreed, people would be mourning you, but you would be dead, but they wouldn't know. THAT'S THE FEAR!
I don't really know to be honest with you
If my clone thinks its me and knows everything I know, how do you know its not the real me? Where is the proof that I died? Where is my dead body?
Fair enough clones because if i cloned my cat, then my cat died and the clone lived, I'd be able to physically see it was dead. Its dead infront of me. BUT where am I after I have been in the teleporter?
I get the fear that no one would know you're messed up etc BUT if you are exactly the same as the old you and you went back to your normal life, why would it even matter? It doesn't change ANYTHING!!!!
BUT IT'S NOT YOU, IT'S A FRIGGIN' COPY! A CLONE!
It can live your life exactly as you would but it's NOT YOU.
The mere fact that you can't prove it's not you IS what I was saying was the fear about it. Everyone would THINK it's you, thus assume teleportation is safe, thus kill themselves by using the machines but no-one would know.
But, despite this being an internet conversation about a sci-fi concept, and I thus am having the most geeky debate the world have ever witnessed, I emplore you to please understand that a clone IS NOT YOU. You would be dead.
I MUST GET CLOSURE ON THIS ISSUE.
LETS TAKE THIS OUTSIDE AND SETTLE IT WITH FISTS
You wouldn't be dead. You'd be fine and no one would even notice its not really you so it doesn't actually matter.
I can't be the only person that thinks like this.
so where did the clone conciousness come from?
surely your own diembodied conciousness would find the clone an ideal host? :D
srsly though,,,,,,do you think that the clones synapses and neural networks will all fire the same? If so then that is that, that is you
He will be a clone of a clone, shirley?
and retain all the holiday memories of the second Mr Smith.
Yeah I thought that
Do you think he can take luggage back through the teleporter?
(I have a fear of flying but not a fear of being cloned so this could be the way forward for me)
Depends what kind of teleporter we're talking about really.
If we're talking about the one used in The Fly - no way, living tissue only. Don't want to step out of the teleporter with a suitcase for a body and a pair of trousers sticking out of my arm and a jip on my face.
*zip
Jip off
Someone needs to work on this for me
I'm all for teleporting to my holiday destination but having a suitcase body, it may be hard to get a good bikini.
The complicate way around this would be to get someone to put the suitcase in to the machine after you've gone through it yourself.
aw thanks for nominating yourself to put my suitcases through the teleporter
You'll end up (or your clone would) half person
half suitcase. It'll be fucked up.
Do you have a fear of being killed ?
Yeah I have a fear of being killed but I'm not REALLY being killed am I?
Yeah, you are.
but i'm not aware of it so no biggy.
Heh...ok ?
I guess it would be like dying in your sleep, or under general anaesthetic. You simply wouldn't know.
Except you now are aware that you would die from it. So it would be like knowing that if you go under general anaesthetic, you will die. And then choosing to do so anyway. So it's basically suicide.
Thats true but
If I knew I was going into the machine to go from one place to another where I would 'die' and a clone would be there then it wouldn't really matter. I'd still be the same person, living on Earth, with the same family and the same memories so I'm not actually dead. I'm still going to be around.
Hmm. Try this one, which I think was an actual basis for a Star Trek storyline:
Suppose the teleporter machine malfunctions.
It copies you, and creates your 'copy' in the correct location, on the other side of the galaxy. But it doesn't destroy the original 'you'. So there are 2 of 'you'.
If someone then, I dunno, starts physically abusing the copy of 'you', the original version is not going to perceive it, because it's happening to the 'copy' on the other side of the galaxy.
So has the original version been physically abused ?
No, the copy has because the original is somewhere else and doesn't know
Isn't the last line better read as
"So have *you* been physically abused".
The answer is both yes and no. As both the copy and the original are technically still you, just you's in different geographic locations existing in parallel.
One being being gangraped by angry aliens, the other having tea and scones with your grandma. Neither would necessarily be aware of the others existence though.
This was covered in the 3rd series of Farscape by the way.
All the momories will continue as normal, as if nothing has happened
I presume, as why wouldn't they? It's a copy of you. But your conciousness would die, and then that clone would die etc. etc. every time you went into a friggin' teleportation machine. It's a killing machine but no-one will know!
but say YOU go into the teleport booth
tap in the coordinates to Nandos. THEN YOU DIE.
Sure there's another version of you eating modestly priced peri-peri chicken somehwere but YOU ARE DEAD.
but I don't know I'm dead so I can still enjoy my half a chicken and peri-peri chips
My mind is not erased! I am not be, I am just an exact version of me so not that bothered really.
Just as long as you don't get Lemon & Herb chicken
otherwise you need to GET THE FUCK OUT OF NANDOS.
It's peri peri or nothing.
But the 'death' is a complete irrelevance
You could probably say that death doesn't really occur because the clone is 100% identical
No, it does occur, in a very real way
If Dolly the sheep was killed it doesn't mean she suddenly isn't dead because there's a clone of her. She's dead! Like you will be in my horrific teleportation distopia of the future if you use one.
i watched the first 45 mins of star trek the movie the other day
and someone dies whilst being teleported.
i stopped watching after that, it was the dullest film in the world.
the original star trek movie, or the one from a couple of years ago?
the original one. star trek the motion picture.
by the time i'd stopped watching (about an hour in)they hadnt even got the pissing enterprise out of the "space dock"
space docking'
=when kirk puts the head of his penis inside spock's foreskin
thanks for clarifying that.
thanks so much.
and they're not allowed to kiss while they do it
They just press palms in the vulcan salute.
that is beautiful
and I'm now aroused
This image is somehow vividly in my head now.fuck.
If the key
factor is the changing of the base materials that make up the body, then it may terrify you to learn that the cells of the body renew themselves over time. The average age of the cells that make up a middle-aged human body is usually thought to be around 7-10 years. You are dying and being reborn right now. RIGHT NOOOOWOWWWW
even brain cells?
people always bang on about brain cells not being able to regrow, are people lying?
Brain cells can certainly regrow and renew
I think that stuff about a knock on the head making you lose brain cells is largely bunkum. Damage to distinctive brain structures is a different matter though: you can't regrow, say, your amygdala any more than you could spontaneously regrow your liver.
Actually, I just did a bit of reading on this
it isn't clear whether the major neurons in the cereberal cortex renew themselves in great numbers: they might be some of the only cells that remain from birth to death
Beacuse when cells clone and regrow and renew
they aren't 100% accurate so over the years this inaccuracy builds up until you're shit.
A bit like cutting a key then using the new key to cut another key etc. Eventually you end up with a shabby key that's really shit and conplains about youths in their street or something.
Aye
again, I juts had to look this up but it makes sense: possible mutations in DNA replication, less efficient replication processes in stem cells over time, etc
I kind of think we die several times throughout our lifetimes anyway
just our memories create the illusion of continuity, so yeah probably doesnt matter that much
tell me more about this theory.
say right now
the thoughts going through my head, current experiences and the feeling of being me right this instant as I type this, I doubt i'd be able to recall in a weeks time let alone a year, except for the basics, so it feels like im constantly being relaced by newer versions of myself, its hard to explain it is a feeling I get every so often thats hard to put into words
Oh right.
I thought that you meant that we literally die several times in our lives.
Yeah, I think you're right.
It's one of the ethical arguments against advance directives (which includes 'living wills'). Even though a person may think they know how they want to be treated in the future if they have a certain condition, by the time they have that condition they may have changed their mind about how they thought they wanted to be treated.
If the condition involves deterioration of the mind and possible change in personality, or if they are unable to communicate properly/at all (which is what advance directives are supposed to cover), then how can we know that the person suffering the condition still wants the same thing as when they wrote the advance directive ? Are they even the same person ?
"its worse than that its DEAD JIM!"
star trekkin indeed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE
Two things:
1) Fact: They never actually said "beam me up Scotty" on Star Trek.
2) Agreed, we renew ourselves over time, something like every 7 years your body is made up of material that it wasn't made up of before. HOWEVER, this is a slow, natural process aided by nutrition and rest, and you don't lose your consciousness! But if there was a clone of you, no matter how perfect, it wouldn't be YOU. It'd be a clone. So you DIE when you're cloned in a teleportation machine, but no-one will know. Not even the friggin' clone.
BUM ME UP SCOTTY.
But what's not to say you're consciousness will move as your body does through teleporting?
Maybe it'd just be fine...
Yeah totally
but maybe you'll die an no-one will know until we're a planet of clones, which can surely only mean something bad. You know, as well as everyone being dead and no-one knowing about it.
That just opens up an impossible amount of hypotheticals that you should also be terrified by, if you are of this:
Because you're basically saying that consciousness is separate from our physical self, and it can get lost in the teleportation of our physical bodies cell by cell...
But if it's that easy for our consciousness to escape our bodies, what's to say that it wouldn't happen any other time? Surely in your sleep, by the same notion, your consciousness could be cloned, and everyone around you today may be clones of everyone you knew yesterday?
I haven't explained that as eloquently as I'd like, but I'm sticking to it...
Ok, I see your point
which is basically the other scenario. So it's fair enough. But what if your conscience self doesn't travel? That's my fear.
I can't see how sleep is comparable though as something isn't taking apart your body after coding it then assembling it again somewhere else completely different. You're just having a kip like, innit.
I don't think you're getting moker's correct original point that
It's not "teleportation".
It's destruction. Then creation of something that happens to be identical.
The original consciousness is being destroyed. In fact, the only way the original consciousness can be preserved is if it IS seperate from our physical self, and somehow exists on some other plane of reality that we don't yet know about.
YES, BY GOD! YES! THANK YOU s_p_g
This seems to be open for debate, but there is no debate on it, not even in theory:
It doesn't matter if you're cloned. YOU are dead. Who gives a flying monkey stick if there's a perfect clone of you, YOU'RE DEAD. You cannot live through this clone, you're dead. DEAD. GEDDIT?
NO NO NO
You can live through the clone!!!! The clone still knows who it is and what job it does and who its family is and it'll go home to your wife/girlfriend and be all "Hi honey, I'm home" and she wouldn't even know you'd been in a teleporter BECAUSE YOU'RE EXACTLY THE SAME.
Why is this really frustrating me?!?! IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN!
No. This really isn't the complex bit of it. You would be DEAD
You, as "meowington" would be dead. Your consciousness would be gone. You would die when your body was destoryed, only to be cloned perfectly at the other end. Thus the clone lives but you atre DEAD. It's just a copy of you. You can't live through it like friggin' Avatar or something. YOU'D BE DEAD AND GONE. Just because someone is walking around with your memories, looks and life doesn't make it YOU.
Seriously, you have to get this point. You can't live through a clone, no matter how perfectly it duplicates you. It's a copy not you. Do you see?!
no seriously, you have to get this point!
When you make a clone of something, the original doesn't die. Its a copy, not a replacement.
I wouldn't be dead. My life would be lived through the clone. The clone is me and its not really a clone. The clone of an animal looks the same, acts the same but doesn't remember stuff the original animal does. This clone you're talking about its basically me and is soooo alike me that I could carry on and no one would notice the difference.
This is very frustrating.
Except in this case, it IS a replacement.
Cue John Cleese:
The original is no more. Ceased to be. Expired. Gone to meet his maker (etc)...this is an ex-person!
Ok, I've just had a look in a bioethics textbook.
It discusses the issue of personal identity in terms of issues regarding genetic engineering, cloning, advance directives.
And I think the key thing, is the difference between something being numerically identical, and being qualitatively identical.
e.g, imagine 2 identical red snooker balls. They are qualitatively identical in that they have exactly the same characteristics. But they are not the same ball. Now, if you take one of the red balls, and paint it white, it is qualitatively different to how it was when it was red, but it is still numerically the *same* ball. Changing its colour does not, numerically, create a new ball.
I think this fits into this argument because: Meowington is arguing that her 'copy' is qualitatively identical to her, even though it is numerically different. She is basing her concept of what it is to be the 'same person' as being dependent on having the same qualitative characteristics.
Moker and myself are saying that, even though the copy is qualitatively the same, it is numerically different, and therefore not the same person. We are basing our concept of what it is to be the 'same person' as being dependent on being numerically identical.
Yeah ?
Philosophically, as far as I can tell, there are arguments supporting both positions. So meowington, you are not alone in your views (cue Jacko).
My boyfriend is telling me I am wrong and is trying to explain it to me
I'll report back.
(I still think it wouldn't matter though as no one could tell the difference, not even the person that has been cloned)
Name another
I agree with your reasoning.
But I think this problem with this type of teleportation is pretty well known. It will still be a perfectly fine way of teleporting goods.
But not meat
CLONED MEAT SCANDAL
the last sentence of this post
has just flipped some kind of switch in me and it's cracking me up. i think i'm going mad
I am confused by these 2 replies.
You have a very real fear
of a very non-real phenomenon? Why?
BECAUSE IT KILLS YOU AND NO-ONE KNOWS
Not even your clone. What if it happens? Someone needs to inform David Cameron and all those mad scientists out there.
You needn't worry.
Both cloning and teleportation technologies are far enough away from being used on a comercial scale that you will probably never live to see it's usage by the general public.
I suggest being afeared of clowns or spiders as they are both real and currently coming to get you.
Amazing mental image of a mini cooper jammed full of spiders and clowns speeding its way to moker's house
mini cooper?
I smell product placement.
Biological cloning of humans
is pretty much already here. If all labs around the world worked on it, we would have clones being born within 2 years. The question is, what would be the point ?
What about spider clowns?
Being teleported to get you.
It's alright, they'll just be cloned spider clowns
the originals will be dead.
One word:
MUTTON
Dressed as lamb?
http://www.hardgraft.co.uk/amanda_holden%20wedding.jpg
Whitney dressed as Britney.
Important question;
What happens to the dead Mr Smith and all the dead Mr Smiths everytime he goes into the teleportation thing?
Are they being ported somewhere?
Their consciousnesses are subsumed by the fabric of space time, I'm guessing.
Like at the end of AI when the super advanced mechas from the future (NOT ALIENS) bring his mum back.
Nah, if it was my invention.
I'd just have the old versions vaporised or zapped then mulched.
The human body apparently makes quite good fertiliser.
I like the fact you think I've seen or know what AI is
Its a sad film which is a bit like Pinocchio but with added pretention.
And special effects and shooting and stuff.
Its a bit maudlin. And has Jude Law in it playing a sexy robot.
There is a higher chance that I'll get to teleport as opposed to watching that film
I don't remember any shooting.
You're thinking of Transformers.
In the junkyard. Aren't there some sort of "crap robots being hunted" shenanigans.
Where the crap robots are shot and killed? With a dramatic sequence of escape for our plucky plastic lothario, pinochio and teddy ruxpin.
Jude Law wasn't in Transformers. Bawbag. =)
That's not really teleportation though is it.
"You" aren't being teleported. "You" are being cloned. Just cloned in different part of the building/city/world/star system than the original template "You". Then the original template "You" is being destroyed to give the imitation of immediate travel.
Teleportation would involve moving your original template self to another location. That's not what you are afeared of.
So just don't go into one of those cloning machines and you'll be fine.
Ok, this point makes complete sense of the entire debate
I'm worried that teleportation machines will actually only clone. Because, if you are cloned, no matter how perfectly, it's not you and thus you'll be dead. DEAD.
So I guess what I'm most concerned about is that someone will invent a cloning machine, then use it, die, not realise and his clone will then tell everyone that it's fine to use and then everyone will use these teleportation machines (which are actually cloning machines) and then die.
Phew.
Nah, you're missing the point.
It's not a teleportation device. It's a cloning device.
A teleportation device would disassemble, move, then reassemble your original self without any destruction or degredation. So both the person going into booth a and coming out of booth b will be made of all of the entirely same component parts. There will be nothing left in booth a.
What you have described is a cloning device, where a person goes into booth a, is then cloned in booth b, which happens to be in another location, only giving the impression of the person having travelled.
The original person hasn't travelled. None of the person left booth a, they are still there, or maybe being shoved hastily into a binbag whilst no one is looking.
Your idea of teleportation is like a fax machine for humans. It creates facsimiles in other locations. The original is still in the transmitting device. Albeit, dead, as you have stated.
This is it
Nah dude, you're missing what I'm worried about
First off, I'm agreeing with you about ti being a clonig machine. But I'm also saying what I've got a fear of is this:
I'm teleportation is based on this cloning system, but "sold" as teleportation (or whatever reason, be it marketing, ignorance, genuine misunderstanding etc) and you DID use one of these machines, even if you died and were cloned, no-one would realise, including yourself as there is no evidence you died. Then everyone would think they're safe, clone themselves (thinking they are "teleporting") and would die too. And yes, everytime a clone used one, they would be cloned again also and die.
That's my fear. That the freaky, sinister undectectable death scenario I'm freaked out about. I completely agree with you though, it isn't offically teleportation. But it could be seen as successful teleportation because there's no real way to detect that the clone isn't actually "you". Geddit?!
Gotit.
Shadowy corporation misadvertising bad tech and having to vaporise millions every day. Perfect crime I suppose. No evidence. No one suspects anything. It's not as if they have a 'body' as the person is still kicking about filled with all the original's memories etc.
Write it up as a screenplay. Have the protaganist as an 'original' that by accident misses or survives the vaporisation process and has to survive in a future utopian society.
They don't need to be vaporised.
The teleportation machine has already done that and then reassembled a new copy somewhere else. There isn't a body left behind, just a mind without a body.
Yeah, whoa.
Unless there is some kind of experimentation that can measure the presence of a soul then people using teleportation could be dying and no one would know. Right? Unless your drifing consciousness managed to inhabit something else though. Like an egg, or a George Foreman grill or something and you learned to communicate so you could warn the teleporters!!
Eltham, yes! This is my fear
talking george foreman grill
now I'm scared
don't worry bro, heisenberg's got your back
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle
Teleportation of macroscopic objects is impossible in principle cos of the uncertainty principle, without some sort of wormhole. And with a wormhole...well, good luck making it through a singularity without getting spaghettified (yeah, that's the technical term)
OMG - This sounds on the money
but I don't understand the wiki page at all. Stupid brain not clever enough to "get it" whilst skimming through. I'll have to read it properly like.
Star Trek has Heisenberg Compensators.
So, we'll just have to invent them.
I wasn't but I am after reading this thread
some of you could just appear beside me wherever I am and there'd be no getting away.
HIYA!
*WAVES*
Yeah, you see this sort of thing.
DiS does seem to make people's responses to threads teleport all over the place.
I've been thinking the exact same thing for years
I mean, there's probably a wider question about the concept of a soul involved, isn't there? If you were to believe in an afterlife and living on in non-corporeal form afterwards, then I think it's not unreasonable to assume this scenario would work out fine. (In which case if you got cloned, would you have the sensation of being in multiple places). Otherwise, yeah, well, I guess it would kind of suck.
maybe there'd be a wider question about the soul being involved
if this was 500 years ago
I remember being told this a few years ago
it made me really wonder how much we actually know about conciousness and the transferal of conciousness into a different state or location.
I've always thought that was the problem with the idea of uploading your conciousness into an artificial construct.
Yeah, that seems to have the same problem.
However, what I find intriguing is the possibility (which I wouldn't be surprised if it became actually doable towards the end of this century) of replacing parts of your brain, bit by bit, with an artificial construct. That seems to get round the problem, as the consciousness could be continuous.
The OP:
The perfect example of why I really can't be arsed with a massive amount of sci-fi.
The OP:?
Theo Pee Colon?
A university friend of mine used to say that his absolute worst fear
was that he'd wake up one day and find his wife dead beside him. Which is pretty gruesome. Except he wasn't married. I asked him if he'd feel the same if it was his girlfriend, he said that 'wouldn't be as bad'.
it would be a headfuck
to find your wife dead beside you when you weren't even married. It'd be like "Oh no! I love you and you're dead! But who are you??".
I have a very real fear of ED-209.
What if he asks me to drop my weapon and I do but he thinks I haven't and then shoots me DEAD??
Get to a staircase quicksharp.
I was sure I'd made some intelligent contributions to this thread
but I just re-read them and realised that is SO far off the mark. Ah well there's always tomorrow!
I've just realised what film this thread reminds me of
Primer, definately worth watching if you have even a passing interest in sci-fi/time travel also I defy anyone to say they've watched it and understood it in it's entirety in one sitting.
does anybody remember in dbz
they could do this thing where they touch their fingers to their forehead, imagine a place and teleport right there. i wish people could do this...or just me. i wouldn't abuse it by teleporting into bank vaults i'd just travel a lot
haha yeah!
and it had some ridiculous name like SUPER INSTANT TRANSMISSION TECHNIQUE
^^seconding the vote for Primer wwwo^^
uh yeah, this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdxucpPq6Lc&feature=player_embedded
(you can skip to 0.40 if you want)
DiSer in indepth thought shocker!
I like this.
I love this thread
I really do.
Just watched that youtube link eventually - Exactly what I was saying
Thanks for posting.
So everyone now gets it. Closure right? Yeah I'm bumping this thread.
P.S.
http://youtu.be/9eTUz61LNjo
I'm right.
Sounds like you should read The Mind's I
Intro here:
http://dontdontoperate.wordpress.com/2010/07/16/daniel-dennetts-intro-to-the-minds-i/
but a transporter like that is not feasible
because if its deconstructing and then reconstructing with the instructions that the transporter takes as measurements, then the measuring would have to e almost infinately subtle and to the smallest degreeand we can measure like that,,,,,,,,if on the other hand you prefer a wormwhole method then you will remain intact, you are not cloned
Yeah I'm cool with the wormhole
Just not a man made teleporter.
did you see that some scientists worked out that the height of lego tower you would need
to build for it to be heavy enough to crush the bottom brick is 3.5km
YEAH BABY
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/140550-first-teleportation-of-macroscopic-objects-leads-the-way-to-quantum-internet
did meowington ever come round to the correct way of thinking re this isssue?
i'm worried about splinching