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London trumps the lot, but I'm pretty sure that the rest are in the right order of awesomeness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>every other place in the world and universe.
Smackhead is more an edinburgh kinda thing.
Edinburgh > Glasgow
And I prefer Manchester to London
It was a lot nicer than I remembered it being, went to Liverpool Tate as well which was pretty snazz.
They do have a tendency to put a Ringo on everything though.
From the ones that I've lived in.
Glasgow > Manchester > Edinburgh > Sheffield > Brighton > Nottingham/Leeds/Birmingham/Leicester/London
From the ones I've spent any more than the odd weekend in.
Awaiting classification: Bristol & Newcastle
(Liverpool: probably ~ Sheffield/Brighton, as far as I can tell)
(Dublin: seemingly a challenger to Edinburgh, Belfast: as Liverpool)
It is quite good really.
It's up against some big dogs though. Solid mid-table performance.
I had to help a damsel in distress and texted gowman to tell him, although it appears he wasn't even there, so DUH.
Never had a night out in Newcastle (I like to wrap up warm) or Liverpool (not orange enough), so
Manchester > Glasgow > Leeds > Oxford> everywhere else > Birmingham
I do not like Birmingham, sorry brummies.
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I'll be at a bday do then.
I replied to tell you I wasn't going.
CALM DOWN DORIS!
I liked Leeds when I went there though, don't know why it is so low in the first list.
Rest of it, yeah (assuming that Glasgow and Edinburgh were left off because you've made a list of English cities only).
Manchester > Liverpool > Sheffield > Newcastle
anyone that thinks london is the best city to live /work, its godam awful, costs a fortune, full of idiots, it fucking stinks too haha
but yea apart from the london comment your list appears to be correct, id be tempted to put sheffield above manchester though
Newcastle and Manchester). Or part of the fourth biggest conurbation (bigger than the Glasgow, Sheffield, Edinburgh etc etc conurbations)
Leeds, if you include all of its surrounding area, 'Greater Leeds' if you like, has a population of 1,499,465. Greater Manchester has a population of 2,244,931 according to 2005 estimates.
This is irrelavent anyway, as what I meant is that Leeds feels smalltown, it has a fairly small centre, and although its nice, it just feels a bit limited.
where are you from, Trantor ?
there's a horrible feeling about the place, and it seems to have the highest density of cunts of any city i've been to. enjoying living in sheffield so much more.
would like to live in bristol at some point.
But there is a decent music 'scene' by which I mean plenty of decent gigs, some great bars. Really nice areas like Chorlton and Withington, which aren't full of cunts, and also aren't expensive. Its pretty great. But I guess it all rests on the experiences that you have at places. My list is CERTAINLY influenced by bad times.
But then I fucking hate living in London.
An insult to those other places you would sully their name by mere inclusion of that fucking cess pit
Leeds should be top. Went there a few times, thought it was tops. Something for everyone
It's Pareto efficient
But random insults - typical of my experience of Newcastle. "Oh everyone's so friendly" yes especially when they're calling you names around the IRA threatening you with a broken bottle on the main shopping strip in the middle of the day, all because you're wearing an Ireland rugby top
Not just the locals, the students seemed to be a level up to.
Sorry, but that city cut me deep. It's unbridled hatred now, and nothing can change that. Sos.
preston > lancaster > manchester
manchesters obviously got the better music scene and offers a choice of entertainment that stretches slightly beyond getting wrecked constantly (unlike the other 2), prestons got decent shops, nice locals, very compact. lancasters a bit posh and full of old ppl but it is also home so CANNOT be placed last
and preston wtf? I know people who grew up in Preston. They don't like it. It's full of mormons and has a 50% child poverty rate.
Lancaster is really nice though. Are we including Morecambe etc? thats a bit grim.
live in london but im tiring of it. dream of uppinng sticks to manchester.
It has a horrible (and relatively small) centre, very poor public transport for a city of its size, nasty newer buildings, constant construction on the main corridors that doesn't seem like it will ever end, dirty streets particularly outside of the main corridor, and a merely average collection of museums, art galleries, and other places to take people who come visit to. It does have a pretty good gig scene etc but that's no use if you don't like leaving the house much at night.
These are problems lots of cities have, of course, and Manchester does have its good points too. But Glasgow is much nicer.
Also, Birmingham isn't as bad as everyone thinks it is, although on the other hand try looking for any non-chain coffee houses in the city centre.
AH HATE URBIS
- it is badly integrated (ie: you can't buy a ticket that would allow you to go on the bus, then the metrolink- this is a pretty basic initiative which it wouldn't take much imagination for Manchester to attempt)
- the metrolink is badly in need of expansion, which in fairness it is getting to some areas, but especially to south Manchester and the Oxford Road corridor, which it isn't.
- you can't go from Oxford Road to Salford Central because they're on different lines: this is really annoying.
- bottleneck on the buses in Rusholme
Basically, if the metrolink ever does expand properly and manages to serve the whole of Manchester effectively, then Manchester would have a great public transport system, particularly if you could buy one ticket for the buses, metrolink, and local train services. I don't know much about the politics of this but I imagine it won't happen any time soon because of the recession. Putting the proposed congestion charge/metrolink expansion to a referendum was a stupid mistake.
South Manchester does not need the Metrolink as much as north/east Manchester does. Thankfully they're converting the Oldham loop line into a tram extension, but god knows when it'll be finished.
The Metrolink is far too expensive really. TfL-esque prices for a network that doesn't even cover half of the city. I've no idea what could be done to make it cheaper though.
but it's way smaller so in a lot of cases you could walk where you wanted to go, something you often don't have the luxury of in London.
I usually ended up walking as a student because you could get to most places you needed to in the time it took to wait for a bus and and the resultant bus journey time.
Not on Oxford Road, of course, but that's a special case.
still good though.
Birmingham is a shopping centre surrounded by 3 square miles of industrial estate
Best city in England bar London is Liverpool. No bullshit in that city whatsoever. A few scum, yes, but not half as many awful characters as the big 3 (Manc, Leeds and London).
Never been to Newcastle and don't really want to since it's nowhere near anything else.
Birmingham is the worst city I've ever been to unless you're allowed to count Milton Keynes as a city.
London > Liverpool > Leeds>Birmingham > Sheffield> Nottingham > Newcastle...
Never been to Manchester, reckon i'd probably really like the place. I went to Bristol once, that seemed nice, don't know enough about it to make a judgement. Liverpool, Birmingham and Leeds are all pretty cool if you go to the right places. Sheffield's alright, Nottingham is a bit of a dive and I don't like Newcastle.
Overall though, I'd put London a long way ahead of any other city in the UK by a huge distance. Some of the shit written in this thread is weird / bizarre though: Nottingham better than London? Someone trying to say Preston is a good place to live, what the fuck?
Birmingham's a great city to both live in and for going out/doing stuff!
And Milton Keynes is a town so that opinion is void.
In my limited experience:
didnt know you were on here dave!
Yeah I bumble around these parts while at work...
The girls did look a bit orange though.
Sure, we've got our fair share of crap 60s buildings, shellsuited goons and pound shops, but there's loads of good stuff happening: More decent gigs than I have time to go to, lots of small art galleries and collectives, good restaurants, independent cinemas, and cheap enough I've got a much better standard of living than I did down south.
And we've got Sadpunk.