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Why not call them 'thin' and be done with it?
I don't get this bit
"But health experts said the word could stigmatise those who are overweight."
Health experts worry that people might think being dangerously overweight is not OK... uh... isn't that the idea? MTFU health experts.
For a specific level of 'fat'. They're not synonyms. What a stupid comment.
Also, 'obese' sounds far, far worse than 'fat' to me.
lets not worry about stigmatising mentally ill people. After all, they're just mad, right? Or is it crazy? Let's just talk about everything using the vocabulary of an eight year old.
that's not the same at all
'Obesity' is a medical term to describe a medical condition. People who are told they're obese know they're fat. 'Fatness' comes before obesity, ffs.
Also, you think people who are overweight SHOULD be stigmatised? How utterly pathetic. Yeah, alienate them and stigmatise them, that'll DEFINITELY help them with their problems.
I find it depressing how DiS types who pride themselves on being oh-so-liberal are regularly bizarrely offensive towards fat people.
maybe with some frozen bread on the side?
I think people would have understand anyhow. Also, you're 27? Really? Grow the hell up.
You don't think part of the public health issue is, as demonstrated by yourself, there's a perception that being 'only' fat is OK and that there's another level of 'obese' which may provoke action but may also be viewed as something disconnected and impersonal?
FWIW, I'm saying this as someone with a 20+ BF%, so I'm not exactly a pinnacle of health, but I at least recognise that is the case. By BMI I am "overweight" (reaction: "so what?"), but I dread the thought of being considered "fat" (reaction: "shit, better go for a run")
Your comparison to mental health may be valid in a proportion of cases but in many it's not. Many people are fat/obese/overweight... whatever term, they're putting their health at risk... purely through overeating and lack of exercise. I.e. choice.
If a medical professional saying someone is "fat" is a more recognisable and personal means of accentuating the issue of their health in their personal decisions is what it takes to motivate them to improve the situation, so be it.
less disturbing than being flabby or whatever so weird. Fat is such a broad slack term nowhere near as pointed as obese.
are generally irresponsible, but ultimately are reacting as such because of the frequency and nastiness of attacks against them. Ultimately, being overweight (which most people, especially DiS types would class as 'fat') isn't a big deal, and most people won't suffer any health problems as a result in it. Yes, anything more than that is dangerous. But stigmitasing is not in any way going to help most people find the motivation to do something about it. It makes most more insecure, introverted and depressed.
Lots of people put their health at risk through choice. I find the smell of cigarette smoke unpleasant, and some of the physical results of smoking, and needless to say it creates major medical problems. I'm sure a lot of people do. Yet for some reason fat people are insulted and ridiculed in a way that smokers never would be. Attacks on fat people seem to run on the conclusion that being fat is the only notable feature of a person. Very, very few people act the same in regards to smokers.
Sure, it's choice. But most obese people lack the self control and motivation to make good choices. That means they're worthless? People who say it's as easy as 'eat healthy and exercise more' have clearly never been in the situation. For most, it's incredibly hard to achieve, and even harder when you're being attacked for it.
And even then, do you know how many times I've been insulted and laughed out when out running? Happens most frequently in the university areas by the way. Hey, look, I'm making good choices, and doing something about it. And yeah, they don't care, they just want people to voice hatred for without losing any middle-class liberal credentials.
I absolutely agree that medical staff should be clearer, stronger and direct with the message of weight problems (but they should use correct terminology). It's their job, after all, and they're in the best position to help change things. it's not for the rest of society to take it on themselves to 'help the cause' by telling them how 'pathetic, lazy and disgusting' they are.
whereas being fat is kinda gay.
i somehow doubt you were insulted or laughed at when out running after seeing you on cam, unless you have a funny run or something.
(i quit smoking a few months ago, fyi...)
Also, someone needs to call bamos a 'smoking cunt' and see if they get banned quicker than bamnan for 'fat cunt'.
I think the smoking vs. fat thing is due to what society considers attractive visually and smokers don't have that stigma. The lard industry needs to get into films to make themselves cool...
everyone stop posting
but that it's probably also a mistake to presume that doing so is going to prove motivational in more cases than it proves the opposite. I don't think it's an issue of moddycuddling (is that how that's spelt? Don't think I've ever written it down) or POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD!! It's about trying to obtain the best results. Not got a clue how that'd be achieved. I'm sure jonny_rat can come and enlighten us all.
or whether you're all just talking over each other
EDUCATION MINISTER CALLS KIDS "THICK"
Perhaps its a government wide policy - Call it as you see it. Coming soon: Minister calls women who get pregnant out of wedlock SLAGS. Minister calls people in wheelchairs CRIPPLES.
Five more years of this. :(((((((((((((((((((((((
is a realllly reallly loaded derogatory term that anyone with more than one second of passing engagment with educational theory or developmental psychology would know to have no meaning whatsoever.
Children learn in different ways and at different speeds. Relative acheivement at any point in time is influenced predominantly by family/social/schooling environment not by some inherent degree of "thickness".
I've just wet meself.
just serve to underline the self-fulfilling prophecy they no doubt already see themselves as? Couldn’t it just make them further identify as a ‘fat person’ with no hope? At least by calling them obese it implies a medical concern and reason to get fit? Either way Milton, don’t be a dick.