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well done him.
Going to miss seeing his face about.
So glad he did it.
800th wicket in his final test. Brilliant.
I don't know why
imagine being the bloke bowling at the other end:..
"i mustn't hit the stumps, i mustn't hit the stumps..."
Good to hear. They were talking about it on the Today Programme this morning.
Right, thanks for letting us know.
Do you want a medal or something?
Hilarious to see some idiots still trotting out the tired old 'he's a chucker' nonsense
and obviously he's no Siir Richard Hadlee, but rather him than some grafter like Kapil Dev/Courtney Walsh topping the list through sheer persistence
certainly he was an incredibly talented spinner and a showman without peer but his wickets were all supported by the presence of three other top notch bowlers alongside him, particularly the thoroughly parsimonious mcgrath. murali never had that kind of support. he was the person who both created pressure and took wickets for the sri lankan team and he did it by having a stock ball capable of generating a great variety of turn plus a virtually undetectable doosra. now you could argue that his physical advantages (the naturally bent arm and supply wrist) give him an advantage over warne but i think it's unfair to say that he's less of a bowler because of them.
warne was a genius bowler but murali is just better.
having to be driven from London to Southampton cos he's too pissed to drive to play for Hampshire, before going out and taking a five fer
Mularitharan is no cheat, and the rules weren't changed to accomodate him.
Sorry I was on a wind up. I saw your post at the top and couldn't resist.
Of course he wasn't a cheat. I still don't like him though, and still don't really know why
Murali banned from bowling doosra:
Murali allowed to bowl doosra again:
The whole the setting a 5/10/15/whatever degrees limit was farcical if you ask me though. The only way you could test a bowler to see how much his arm was bending was outside of a match situation. Who knows what was actually happening on the pitch.
but the discovery that almost every bowler bends there arm between 5 and 15 degrees does rather make the accusations against murali appear a little farcical, especially as he was tested in match conditions and has gone through the indignity of bowling in a game with an arm brace on.
I have to admit I'd forgotton about the ICC doing that testing. During one of the Champions Trophy tournaments wasn't it? I think there were only two bowlers whose arms didn't bend more than five degrees.
Even McGrath and Pollock (who, as far as I know where never, ever suspected of chucking) were way beyond the five degree limit.
I promise, no more cricinfo links.
If you're the sole outstanding bowler in your side, then you're going to get a lot more overs and a lot higher ratio of wickets. It's the same situation with Siir Riichurd Hudlii - Mike Gatting said it was like facing the World XI at one end and Ilford Seconds at the other. And he picked up a lot of wickets as a result.
Murali played a lot more tests against weaker nations than Warne did. And legspin is a much harder art to master than offspin, as evidenced by how many even half decent leg spinners there have been on the scene in the past 20 years - next to none.
In Murali's favour, I can't remember ever seeing him get absolutely pummelled, which from time did happen to Warne. But
I still think the best bowler I've seen in my lifetime is Wasim Akram - I'd have him in my backyard team over either Warne or Murali
You're right about Murali picking up more cheap wickets against Bang and Zim than Warne. And interesting they both struggled in India.
In my opinion, I think Murali was a more effective bowler (and therefore 'better') than Warne but watching Warne was like watching a master craftsmen. I always found Murali's bowling to be mechanical and, well, a bit boring.
"In 25 Tests against those two teams, Murali has taken 176 wickets at an average of 15.09. By contrast, Warne has only played three Tests against those two sides. Taking this disparity into account, all Tests against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe have been excluded for the purpose of this analytical exercise.
What's immediately obvious is that Murali's tally of 792 wickets shrinks to 616 when his haul against those two teams is excluded; Warne's aggregate, meanwhile, drops only by 17, to 691."
The proportion of Bang-Zim wickets he took were even more significant than I'd thought.
whereas his average against the saffers was over 200. was he still the greatest batsman of all time?
if you think it will go anywhere.
the bang/zimb issue is basically bogus because if murali wasn't playing against those sides he would have had to have been playing someone else, and you can be absolutely certain that he would have been taking wickets against them too. do you really think he would have taken 98 less wickets playing those 25 games against england or south africa? at best he might have got his wickets slower and at a higher cost but he would still have got them - he was always sri lanka's biggest threat, from the start of his career to its end.
oh, and he has a better average and economy than warne so it's not like his stats can't handle the punishment ; )
that warne never had to bowl against his own team...
when i last saw him bowl the entire ground was singing 'we wish you were british'. but that doesn't change the fact that murali is a stand up hero to both his divided country and his team, and the best bowler the world has ever seen. warne was a genius but he was never either of those things. he was a drug cheat and a braggart and a sell out and the greatest conventional spinner the world has ever seen, but murali's better ; )
but in a batsman's era, he's been a bastion of brilliance, a perpetual challenge, a lovely and inquisitive gentleman, and a national hero. He and Warne are good mates fwiw - game recognise game
while his teammates succumbed at the other end
Also, Murali's art is effectively reverse legspin - nobody's bowled with a remotely similar action to him in the history of cricket - the spin comes from the wrist. Not saying that Warne's craft is easier (Warne is pretty much my favourite cricketer ever), but Murali wasn't just tossing down dobbers.
Murali often had tight but unpenetrative support at the far end (Dharmasena, Vaas when it wasn't swinging etc) which is pretty much ideal for a wicket-taker.
"It's all part of the plan"
I think Warne is better purely because Monty Panesar hit Murali for 6
he would have retired on 799.94 wickets.
I'm not the first nor last to make that pun. But it holds.
Currently more concerned that Ponting and company, given an ENORMOUS reprieve from fucking Koertzen first-up, are going to do the intolerable
now that his great achievement is going to be overshadowed by this:
I don't even need to click on that link to know what it's about. There are offspinners, and then there are OFFSPINNERS.