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why is it so heated?
that fora with multiple boards will have inter-board squabbles JUST BECAUSE. I posted on the music board first, and then here. I can understand why some of the music board might not want to post on the social board, although I wish more of them would sometimes.
I don't see any squabbling, alot of people post on both, don't they?
I posted on the football thread first.
but lots of people stick to one or t'other. I thnk most squabbles* are troll efforts (who was it- brightonb?)
*'squabble' is probably overstating it!
I don't like music.
it used to be busy and lively, now there are barely any new threads, and often they are just by saint cronin about some obscure vegan drum n folk act or something
i've realised that i don't really enjoy talking about music as much as i do talking about film.
a discussion can loose itself in the folds of a film and throw up so many thngs you hadn't thought of, but discussions on albums just seem to go round in circles on the music board.
very rarely do you read a thread on an album that gives you a new insight into that music, or new ideas about it. i dunno.
I don't really like talking about music much. I like stuff, I don't like stuff, I don't really care that they've stolen that fart-in-a-glass sound from Johnny Fuckwit and the Tenderhooks' seminal album of 1999.
I also abhor snootiness of any kind. Is there anything worse than a music bore?
"I like this song"
"Yeah, that's a good song"
If two people really agree on something being great, then it's good talking about how good it is, but music is way better for listening to. Funnily enough.
whereas books and films can be prodded and dissected and talking about them actually does open them up for you to interpret further, and you realise things you missed before. But with music you can't really say "How about that hook?" and have the other person respond "I never noticed the hook before!"
am I talking about music, or talking about talking about music?
i'm just saying, most of the threads on the music board are pretty dull and just rely on facts, namechecks and one-dimensional opinion...(this is good, this is bad, etc etc)
feels like no one ever really gets into the bones of the music, just surface stuff.
can't remember reading a thread about an album, and then coming away thinking, 'hey, i never looked at it like that before'
good for recommendations and shit, but not for furthering understanding.
whereas i think when we talk about a film on here, there are always really interesting opinions that make you see things differently...
i dun-no....DIFFERENT THINGS THOUGH, AINT THEY?
you say music, i say roast potato...let's call the hole thing of.
whereas music is just for listening to and enjoying, purely personal opinion/preference, etc. And to that extent, yeah, *it happens* that discussion on the music board can be pretty weak.
But I'd argue that that lack of the discussion is a product of the belief (to put it too simply) rather than indicative of the "fact" that music is this instantaneous thing, etc. Music could just as easily be examined and discussed in similar sorts of interesting ways to which we discuss film, but few people are in the habit of doing so, or have the capacity to do so, because it's so widely accepted that it can't be done (or that to do so is to "overthink" it).
I want nothing more (or very little more) from discussions of music, even reviews, to give me a whole other way of thinking about the music in question — indeed, a whole other way of listening to it (which is kinds to say the same thing).
''Music could just as easily be examined and discussed in similar sorts of interesting ways to which we discuss film, but few people are in the habit of doing so, or have the capacity to do so, because it's so widely accepted that it can't be done (or that to do so is to "overthink" it).''
oh yeah...i'm with you, and all for a change in the way music is usually discussed on the board...so i'm not saying it can't be done.
i too am just lamenting the fact that it isn't done as much.
Who cares innit
It's here: http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music
In a pretty non-prolific kind of way
It's because mostly the social posters have better things to do than spend even a minute listening to the pretentious and juvenile mediocrity on Muse albums.
Also, COCK COCK TIITIES GRANDMA COCK!
but the music board is DEFINITELY more pretentious.
That's why I love both.
look, we told you before: we don't want him. He's your problem, deal with it
I found everyone here to be a bit cliquey.But these days I post on both.
I think i've only posted in there once and I said something like "Yeah, I like it too".
hey tell me what you ate for dinner... beans? oh thats cool.
thats a much more fulfilling conversation than
hey tell me what you listened to for dinner... the beans? oh thats cool.
That duet they did with Toast was fucking amazing! I saw it live once where a hash brown did backing vocals. Tasty!
They're shit now though, I'm sick of everyone banging on about them, they're so over-hyped, they're nothing but hype, people don't actually like them, I did, but I don't now.
They're too mainstream now so thats why I've gone off them.
--thread on The Beans is over--
Predictable backlash by indie snobs, that's all it is!
GET OUT OF THE COMMENTARY!
the heavy masterpieces thread was incredible though.
and I remember the humourless bores moaning about threads going off on irrelevant tangents.
and see any of the social board regulars. It's liking bumping into work colleagues when you're in the pub or something.
that I can't quite construct a suitable analogy for.
whilst you're on holiday/vacation/leave.
but naturally, because of the demographics of this place, everybody has their own little musical niche which they're knowledgeable about and willing to discuss. As a result, there just aren't that many threads that interest me.
I have 2402 social, 538 music. Just over 1:5.
it should probably be shut down.
the social board is much more UK-centric, with quick, sharp (albeit not so short) discussions of topical issues, or just with bursts of activity around whatever nonsensical idea anyone cares to float.
The music discussion is centred around recordings that have longer lives than the often fleeting (but not therefore less "weighty") topics that make up the social discussion, so talk about X album or genre or whatever can carry on over weeks, and you don't have to be there at the moment the topic is raised to be able to make a contribution that people will pay attention to. By contrast, if you're outside the much smaller window of opportunity that characterises social banter — by virtue of being in a different timezone (or simply not being an office worker) — all your post can do is bump the topic for the social regulars to pick up on again a few hours later, after you've left the forum.
I like the music board and like many others here probably got drawn to DiS because of it in the first place. And like so many others over time you just enjoy/get drawn into the daft/serious/funny/surreal banter that goes on all the time on the social boards.
and the social board is attractive because, once you've decided you like the place and want to hang around for a while, you start to look to the social board to fill the gaps between posts on the music board — gaps which are becoming increasingly longer these days.
But, unless you're happy just to make your passing comment without any care to be acknowledge, you can only really settle into the social board if you fit comfortably into one of the "shifts".
http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4193368 (22 replies)
http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/social/4193392 (163 replies)
I've alwyas thought the divide between the music board and social board was relatively minor.
I enjoy both although I would like more light hearted threads on the music board the "I don't get my bloody valentine" kind of showed how overly serious it can get at points
Not enough Lizardmen to balance out
but i prefer TALKING BOLLOCKS/about BOLLOCKS.
the usual pricks tend to avoid the recommendations threads which make them have a very pleasant feel (i once made a 'beautiful albums' type thread that was awesome, and everyone was positive and stuff). It is also quite good when someone will make a thread about a more popular release and you can use the thread to gauge opinion on it, so swaying your decision on whether to buy it.
At the same time there are some really ridiculous people on there. The thread i remember best was when i think Inside_outside posted a thread saying deerhunter were the best female-fronted band and he got about 20 replies absolutely ripping into him for being sexist, which is just... fucking stupid really. And the thing is i dont think any music boarders knowingly 'troll' (awful term), its more just a lack of self-awareness as far as i can tell. Like, they'd be the people who would ALWAYS try to turn your general conversations in real life into something SUPER SERIOUS when all you really wanna do is chat shit and laugh about it.
Still like it in moderation though
oh man, "Deerhunter are the best female-fronted band ever" would be an amazing troll.
those guys are fucking encyclopedic/geeks
i spend about 8 hours a day with headphones on, but a lot of those guys make me seem like a tween who's just discovered the charts.
rly useful for recommendations tho, an amazing resource of minds and tastes for any music fan, that board is
i listen to it a lot, and i attend gigs, and i like the bands i like
but i'll always only know about a fraction of a few choice genres
Therefore I have zero interests
I used to think I knew quite a bit about music but there are some serious music ninjas on the music board.
'i spend about 8 hours a day with headphones on, but a lot of those guys make me seem like a tween who's just discovered the charts.'
this is actually the truest sentence in the history of the world
And fairly pretentious.
But it's not that bad really.
(you don't mind me calling you Shippy, do you?)
I got nothing else...
Its a bit more gentle. It can be a bit, 'this is a nice album' 'oh thankyou, if you like that, you might like another album, which is also pretty nice'... but sometimes I need that in my life.
Some of the stuff thats posted on social makes me want to remove my own eyeballs with a spoon, but I have to persaude myself not to reply because it'll eat up my entire day. I have self-made rules about not opening threads that have certain words in the titles.
The music board is friendlier, and more inane.
I assumed they were talking simply about a divided membership — there's not a huge crossover between the boards. Only a handful of folk routinely post in both boards.
If there's any tension/conflict, I don't think it ever gets expressed directly.
talking about football on a music site and also talking about music on a football site. That way I appear more knowledgable cos I know more about music than most football fans and more about football than most music fans.
because only a handful of people know what they're talking about- makes me seem more intelligent
LA = Social
NYC = Music
"It's like the first day you check into a hotel in L.A. there's a message under your door. The second day, there's eleven messages under your door. The third day, there's thirty, forty, fifty, sixty, seventy messages. And I realized that they just want fresh blood. They. Just. Want. Fresh. Blood. You gotta get the hell out of there. And you really feel, if you live in New York, that you're three hours ahead of them—I mean that literally. It's like, Oh man, we gotta help these people! And the longer you stay there, the less ahead of them you get, and then you're one of them. No way, man. Not for me."