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Oh yeah, and a semi final.
Uruguay 0-2 Netherlands. I think Suarez is a really big miss for Uruguay.
i fancy Netherlands to win by 1 goal, scored in the 75th minute
I am soooooooooooooooooo excited.
Thank you Mum for marrying a Dutchman!
Seriously though, whilst I am fully reconciled to losing to Germany in the final, if we don't beat Uraguay I will be inconsolable.
Hahaha. As if half the coaches and players in the Prem and Championship can write.
Uruguay 0-3 Netherlands
I'm just amazed that the team I picked for my sweepstake is still in. Well done lads. I'll be amazed if they win. In fact, fuck it, I'm going to predict a win:
Uruguay 2-1 Holland (last minute winner extra time after another striker bats a dutch goal off the line).
Uruguay will miss Surez and Fucile. Part of me wants them to win though, just to wind up the people who got into such a state over Suarez's handball.
And Spain to win in extra time tomorrow.
I don't think they will. Sadly. They've been great overall.
Really don't know who to support tonight. I'll default to Holland, just for knocking out Brazil.
Also: the knockout stages at this World Cup (especially compared to the last one) have been FUCKING MINT. So far.
but it has got better with each passing week, and it's been great of late. And I believe there's already been more goals in this knockout phase than there was in all of the 2006 knockout games. And the goal average has been 2.5 per game roughly, in contrast to the group stage where it was pretty much 2 per game (especially once you discount Portugal v North Korea)
After that they were mainly pretty good, although sometimes for the comedy of the results rather than the quality of the football. Do still think that some sort of rules re-jigging would be beneficial to encourage teams to score goals...
the best defensive midfielder in the world is missing from the Dutch squad tonight. You can't really downplay the importance of him and Van Bommel, might turn the tide
"so what happened in the football?"
"well a bunch of white dutch folks sailed over to south africa where they proceeded to brutally spank the black africans."
"o rly? Sounds familiar."
if U R Gay win, i get £25, if U R Gay lose in the final i get £5 if the dutch come 3rd i get £5, if i think i want U R Gay to win, but i'd prefer to have the dutch take on the germs
I think the Netherlands will sweep aside Uruguay, who are are not the same team without Suarez.
But their chances on winning will depend on what happens in the other semi-final. Germany have never gone more than years without lifting the trophy, and guess what? It's twenty years since that staid final with Argentina. Despite this, I think the Netherlands are better equipped to beat the Germans than they are the Spanish.
has picked Spain to progress
get your monies down
he's good even if he is a diving cheating cunt.
i still want URgay to win tho.
That's unreal in a two horse race, deffo worth a squirt
Wasn't too keen on the smashing he was taking for that handball, 'cos I reckon most people/footballers would do that, either deliberately or just instinctively (yes you would, John Pantsil). It's the large on he gave it after. Not nice.
That said, I don't like the Dutch and think they've actually been really dull all tournament. COME ON URUGUAY!
agree totally about Suarez. Given the stakes I reckon the vast majority of players would have done the same. It was still odds on that Gyan would have stuck the penalty away and taken Ghana through. His comments and celebrations were a little unsavoury.
But want to say something real quick: I think most people abhor the idea that the outcome of the game was ultimately decided by a deliberate foul and the team committing the foul was not adequately punished.
It also overlooks the fact that Adiyah or whatever his name was dived to win a free-kick in the build up ...
than the half-hearted contrition we got from Henry. If you're going to be a panto villain, may as well live up to the role.
The outcome was favourable to Uruguay, and maybe the punishment isn't quite right, but I can't really see an answer to that in the context of football - the penalty try/runs system in cricket would be unworkable in football.
The reason I was up in arms was the complete and utter lack of grace/humanity in his reaction. If that was me, I'd be red faced in a hole having nearly lost my team the game, not giving interviews going "I'M A GENIUS!".
Pretty much the embodiment of everything that's wrong about football
and they went and brought him out on the pitch on their shoulders and everything
Oh yeah, from the Henry stuff, I remember now. It's ok to be a massive cheat if you win.
What a hole football is in
Those are the rules. Unlike Henry he was caught and punished so there's no comparison. If he'd done it at any point in the game up to the 119th minute there would be no fuss (since this happens countless times in football without comment), that's how absurdly arbitary the whole storm about it is.
My point was, if I had cheated to win a game, I would have a little bit more class than to go round bragging about it
I'd rather someone stick to their guns about cheating than do an Henry and be dumb enough to try and commiserate with the opposition at the end and do a sort of mumbled apology about the whole thing. At least Suarez is being honest about what he did.
if Ghana has scored from the spot there'd be no fuss. The chance was there for Uruguay to be punished wholly and it wasn't taken.
umm.. i think the impending goal he palmed out would have something to say about that
Unlike the Henry incident, or with countless divers, he wasn't actively trying to con the ref. When he raised his hand he knew he was going to be seen, and he knew he was going to be sent off, he just decided that probable elimination than the world cup was better than definite elimination.
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what Suarez did was plainly defensible and the fact that Ghana are massive bottlers can't be helped
the ball didn't cross the line, the ball was blocked before the line, so Ghana weren't deprived a rightful goal. that the ball was blocked because of a foul means that they were rightfully given a penalty, which they should have been happy with.
just because handball is a foul, doesn't mean you can't choose to do it.
How can a team be happy with a penalty when they have been denied a goal by foul play?
How does it matter where the ball was when the shot was stopped? If the ball was over the line and not given, Ghana would have been denied a goal by the officials and not the opposition.
Deliberate fouls are not committed in the spirit of the game. They may only be considered a viable option if the punishment for committing them is lenient (and leniency can be measured by comparing the actual and possible outcomes).
in a situation where they haven't already scored.
teams are denied attacking situations or even goals by fouls all the time - it is absolutely part of the game. Ghana were denied a goal by the fact they couldn't beat every opposition player trying to prevent the ball from crossing the line.
fuck this nebulous 'spirit of the game' when it's the 121st minute - you've got to win and you've got to do it in full view of the world, according to the rules of association football. uruguay did not break the rules of football, they abided by them. that rule being 'deliberate handball on the line is a red card offence and a penalty'.
the rule is not 'don't handle on the line you cheating wanker', sorry to have to inform you of this
at least get it right. He was sent off for 'denying a goalscoring opportunity', not 'deliberate handball on the line'.
The point was that the rule basically states 'doing whatever you did that prevented a goal in this way should result in a red card and a penalty' - it does NOT state 'doing whatever you did is MASSIVE CHEATING FUCK YOU GET TO FUCK YOU JUST TRADUCED EVERYTHING WE GUARDIANS OF THE BEAUTIFUL GAME HOLD DEAR'
the rule is not 'don't handle it', the rule is 'handling is a free-kick or penalty offence and depending on its severity maybe a card as well'
Read the laws of the game.
a) Handling isn't necessarily an offence.
b) 'severity' of handling doesn't decide on whether it's an offence that's worthy of further sanction beyond penalty/free kick or not.
You're going into the minutiae of the rule whereas I'm sure you'd agree the ESSENCE of the rule is 'shit happens and gets punished', not 'don't do shit'.
I know full well that non-deliberate handling isn't an offence, also 'severity' was a loose term that meant 'does the handball deny an opportunity, create an attacking opportunity to the offender or was it simply craven rather than instinctive' - this is a pointless detour from the main thrust of my argument.
You're the one that got pedantic about what the laws do and don't say. I've just been correcting your pedantry.
in other words ARGHADFSDAFSDFASDFASFASDAFSDFADSFADFSFSFA
Suarez did what he had to do, the ref did what he had to do, Gyan didn't do what he had to do, boo fucken hoo
'denying a goalscoring opportunity' surely isn't an offence at all?
I think there comes and age when the spirit of the game becomes more important than winning at any cost.
I dunno, just thinking out loud.
There's still a slight trade-off though.
it's more likely it was instinct - learned or otherwise. Even if he'd made a concious decision, he certainly wouldn't have had time to rationalise everything you've posted thre.
He wouldn't have spelt everything out, but the bodyguard instinct would have been in play.
In that he wasn't actively attempting to con the referee, and therefore was not cheating.
if the ball was heading towards him at the same height and distance but in the middle of the pitch rather than the goal line.
When he first broke into the Dutch team was he not meant to be a really good attacking midfielder? I certainly remember him scoring an absolute blooter against England at White Hart Lane and generally running the game. So when did he turn into an utter cunt of a player?
I remember Van Bommel's goal, Zenden giving whoever was at left back the absolute run around and Van Nistelrooy chipping against the crossbar. England were completely and utterly outplayed.
Ned 3 - 1 U.R.Gay
Forlan will still be able to do something, even without Suarez.
Everything looks good in the camp: no injuries and sufficient cover for the suspensions.
want holland to win abou 12 - 0 tonight now. cant remember the last time i've wanted an underdog to fail so spectacularly.
what with their having a player suspended for diving in the quarter-final, and having Von Bommel see how many players he can kick before he gets booked.
i'll be cheering on germany or spain in the final, definitely.
cant stand most of the dutch apart from kuyt. what a hero.
they look mildly upset to be in an ABBA tribute act.
If you change your miiiiiiiiiind,
And adopt a more pro-active attacking football strategy despite the reluctance of the ruling football bodies,
Honey I'm still freeeeee....
about how Germany got good
Shown late one night just before the 1994 tournament and never entered into the public domain since:
THAN IN AN HOUR OF TV FROM ANY PROGRAMME FROM THE PAST 10 YEARS.
At last! The boost this country needs! Now all we need is for Jamie Carragher and Gary Barry to do likewise.
on Gerrard, Lampard, Terry and the other maligned players remaining part of the England set-up. We've already established Capello is a coward, after all.
James, Green, Carragher, Upson, King, Wright-Phillips and Heskey will be the 'casualties' Capello talked about dropping.
This is bad but
URGAY 2 Holland 1, Forlan to score first @ 80-1
URGAY 2 Holland 1, Kuyt to score first @ 180-1
Were too tempting to resist.
Forlan to score at least 2 @ 16/1
Uruguay to win in normal time @ 5/1
Uruguay to win on penalties @11/1
Bye bye, money
but i'm going for Uruguay for the fact they were a ridiculous 6/1 and i put some money on them, and Gus Poyet, our manager, would be upset if Uruguay lost.
North to South. Bang.
Still like Gyan v USA though, and Villa v Paraguay was alot of fun, even though it took them a while to put it away, Iniesta was amazing
Pretty nasty foul in the build-went went pretty much unmentioned though ... Oh well.
instantly says a decent goalie would have saved the goal and starts moaning about the game. I think I'll actually have to brave ITV/STV coverage.
Why do these people keep getting employed?
One is the most miserable bastard ever. Presumably their employers can't be arsed to find anyone else.
is they've got loads of people who'll actually commentate on the game and tell you what's happening, yet they stick Alan Green on everything they can instead.
I swear he's said that 4 or 5 times this World Cup.
Did I miss an explanation?
and threatened to leave if people didn't stop answering them and making him look even more stupid.
Don't worry though - he'll be fit for the final. LUCKY YOU.
It's a daft name only spoken by berks.
There are many reasons why it is a stupid name, but the key one is that the character does not summarise.
their coverage is plumbing new levels of amateurism. It's getting pretty funny actually. Also, what is it with people not knowing the meaning of the word 'volley'? It's only a volley if it hasn't hit the ground since someone last kicked it!
Anyhow: come on Uruguay! They're looking pretty good towards the end of the half, getting properly stuck in and disrupting Holland's gameplan.
Golly, those Dutch women in the crowd are yummy looking.
I <3 dutch women. Can't believe I'm moving to Amsterdam for the rest of the summer. SO.MUCH.SEX.
But yeah, Dutch women in general are just so many kinds of win.
but where the fuck is jim beglin?
'Taken ill' my backside
Also - FUCK, SHIT BOLLOCKS!
COME ON HOLLAND!!! Wint het voetbal aub!
I know he's the wrong side of 30 and has been a failure in England before, but there's surely no fan of a Premier League club who wouldn't be delighted if he signed for their side.
He'd be sticking it in his own net all the time. Can't stop scoring against us.
And win the league.
Dirk kuyt is so English
Presumably he has the wrong team sheet and assumes Superman is in goal for Uruguay.
It swerved a little and was well it but most keepers would save that most of the time.
Dutch keeper should have kept out Forlan's strike. All set for an interesting second half though.
"If i was coach i'd tell them to go for it"
Van Der Faart, I would rewind it but the match is on.
he speaks fluent german and van der faart *may* be the correct pronunciation in dutch. it's probably not, but he's no sir david pleat.
but wouldn't that make it 'Fan Der Faart' even more amusing. Anyway, back to the footy. Can see Uruguay winning this, alas.
Vs are pronounced as Fs in German.
Not sure of Dutch law though, probably also like an F but with added spittle.
as he had been knocked out i'd say so
You've driven me to ITV. ITV! At least they won't act like a dull game is something completely scandalous.
He he. A. Mong.
But a) it's questionable that he was level and b) virtually no linesmen have played level as onside this tournament. Pretty much every tight decision has gone with the defence.
Good goal there.
I think they need to look up the basic rules of offside then
"any part of his head, body or feet is nearer to his opponents' goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent" and that the speed of the game dictates that it is often quite impossible to ascertain whether or not a third of someone's quiff was ahead of the last defender, I don't think it's got anything to do with the 'basic rules of offisde'. Rather, it has everything to do with the majortiy of linesmen, for me at least, erring very firmly on the side of caution.
So to speak.
if you're not interfering with play, then you don't deserve to be on the pitch.
they've been worse than england until now. van persie is wayne rooney
five goals isn't a bad return.
and I really quite dislike the Netherlands, so I am biased ... But this Dutch team are the worst I've seen make a World Cup final. Emphasis on 'I've' before someone tells me Uruguay's winning 1930 side had a mule at left-back, or some shit.
Not that Dutch people should care, 'cos I wouldn't if I were them. But by fuck are dull/dirty/fairly lucky.
so no dice.
Dirty? Only Van Bommel especially
Fairly lucky? So like every team that makes a World Cup final to some extent. They certainly haven't had any outrageous luck yet.
Dull? Yes. The way they play is not interesting or entertaining. The number of goals they scored is largely irrelevant on its own in this argument, especially as 12 goals in 6 games is a respectable but hardly shit-hot ratio.
Dirty? Van Bommel is very dirty in terms of fouls, but they have plenty of other players who play the game in a questionable spirit. Lots of sides do of course, so it's not the most savage criticism, but still a just one in my opinion.
Fairly lucky? Well, yes and you seemingly agree. I guess it depends what you mean as 'outrageous luck'. I think the world's best goalkeeper uncharacteristically flapping at a very standard cross is quite lucky, really. It certainly doesn't happen very often. Good luck is not not handed out exclusively by incompetent referees.
Well, opinions are like arseholes, I guess.
What's going on?
Sorry if I've burst your bubble
but two goals a game scored is a pretty decent ratio. Only three clubs beat it in the Premier League last season.
Which is pretty much why I said Dutch fans should be happy with their lot. But 2 goals a game doesn't make you Brazil (that doesn't work any more, does it?)
Did you know that both SFs finished 6-1 in 1930. THE BEAUTIFUL GAME WAS BORN.
Justice for Ghana, whilst at the same time Holland seem so shit that they won't it.
Come on Germany you bunch of beauties!
still includes all his palling about with the England players. I doubt that's playing well any more.
their podcasts have been lovely
this horrible dutch side doing better than their nice previous ones sends out all the wrong messages
all our eggs rest in germany's baskets now
As for wrong messages, they've won every qualifying game and every game in the tournament so far. Sounds like a decent message to me.
i'm not going to support them though
Holland not playing well. Granted, they may have traded playing styles with Germany, but if they were a poor team, they'd have been found out before now.
Given his contribution to Inter's treble-winning season and influence on this World Cup - Wesley Sneijder for world footballer of the year?
holland aren't boring.
dont like them but theyre not boring.
Maybe they aren't the most boring, but I do struggle to see how anyone other than a bonafide Dutch supporter could be entertained by them.
because they know nobody will watch their coverage of the final.
What goes on on ITV stays on ITV.
Or has he known how all along but just ran the ball out of play at Liverpool for fun. Fun game, a few good goals and some more great performances from Diego Perez, Arevalo and Maxi Pereira. Have to wonder if it might have been a different story Uruguay's first choice defence was available, as only the Van Bronckhorst strike was really unpreventable.
What is the problem again?
at least in an attacking sense. Should be a good final, though I'll be seriously annoyed if Germany don't win tomorrow.
RVP was never offside by the way. Interfering with play, sure, but he was level, and the benefit of any doubt goes to the attacker.
COME ON, GERMANY!
COME ON, SPAIN!
Andy Murray must be the most uncomfortable celebrity ever.
If Spain or Germany win the World Cup, then only New Zealand will have finished the tournament unbeaten.
then they'll have won every single game in the qualifiers and the finals, and in 90 mins too.
it's those Statto moments on Fantasy Football. Entirely a good thing.
must be a bit touchy about the admittedly v dodgy tackles by Van Bommel (and the odd one by others now and again), or Robben hitting the deck and rolling around like a fool.
Aside from that they're bossing things. Mebbes not totally on top for the full 90 mins, but for vast swathes of the game Ned-land were exhibiting some absolutely exquisite close control and some cheeky as fook passing. Some actual skill melded with teamwork. It was in a completely different class to any England performance I've seen for as long as I can remember. Vision and awareness that England can only dream of. When it clicked there were all kinds of fluid one-two-three movements.
*People who are knocking...