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for some reason MSG2 was in my head.
absolutely fucking fantastic. this is the best thing i've seen all year. the amy coming on to doctor was bullshit though. other then that, amazing. stephen moffat, i could not love you more right now.
the way i see it, if they didn't leave any unanswered questions, then the next series wouldn't be worth it. they've built up this huge story now and even a new world in doctor who, and i'm sure all will be explained, as is the trend with this show. the intro, i thought, really worked, as it really showed the fragility of what was happening. you know, the universe collapsing is beyond any sort of comprehension yadda yadda.
i'll stop now as i need to clean.
I love that film.
has been criticised for being unemotional and too 'adult' compared to the previous ones helmed by Russed T Davis.
and tbh i think the finale was one of the weaker episodes of the series.
This is the first episode of the series he's seen? Either he's telling the truth and unsurprisingly a the last episode of 13 tying into the previous 12 quite strongly fell flat, or he's just taking the piss.
powerful, emotional, clever and generally all round brilliant drama then I need to start watching it more.
Damned if I knew what was going on half the time though.
The whole 'something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue" thing was so fucking clever it hurt.
kinda felt like moffat was trying very hard to write a russell t davies episode.
i mean its ok for it to be illogical and sci fi, its a kids show after all, but inconsistent?
also hows it ok for amy pond to constantly want to get off with the doctor?
also i've just got the amy pond 'thing'.
just like... it just seemed that if there was some kind of gap the doctor would explain it by just going all casual like 'oh its a space-time rip and blah blah blah' and amy pond would go 'what are you on about' and he'd go 'oh nevermind i'm being all quirky WOOSH off we go!'
unless it was trying to make some sort of point about mctaggart's unreality of time with the viewer representing the present in the A series. or something.
IT'S A SATURDAY EVENING KIDS SHOW AND IT'S PRETTY FUNNY AND ENTERTAINING AND SHE'S HOT.
I think that pretty much covers it. Oh, and Rory can't act for shit.
i think the idea is that the doctor isnt usually allowed to interfere as it could seriously damage the universe. but at this point, the whole universe was being destroyed already, so it wasnt going to make it much worse to start fucking around with his own past and future.
surely the actual problem was the continued existence of earth for 2000 years when the people still existing where supposedly just time shadows.
.. it was brilliant.
As Dr Who ever really does. Going back in time to give people messsages is hardly a new thing, although still mighty confusing
then Rory opens it with a sonic screwdriver? ok then.
still thought it was good though.
is my only complaint too.
river and the doctor were convinced it contained something very powerful that they didnt want falling into the hands of the bad guys who were around stonehenge. so they were concerned with stopping it opening, not opening it.
river asks "can you open it?" and the doctor says "easily. anyone can break into a prison, but i'd rather know what i'm going to find first"
as I have the whole series. I'm not interested in whatever wibblygook is used to propel the plot, I just enjoy the performances, especially Matt Smith channelling Leslie Phillips.
The only real major problem as I see it is the paradox of him letting himself out of the Pandorica - there's an obvious paradox whereby he can only escape if Rory has the sonic, and Rory can only have the sonic after the Doctor has got out.
BUT if we ignore that flaw, I thought it was great. The wedding scene, with the something old, new, borrowed and blue... brilliant.
I think a lot of us were hoping more would be explained or settled - like whether Amy's house was some sort of Tardis (I guess not now, just the victim of the cracks), what the machine was in James Corden's house (maybe they'll come back to that?), and what the "Silence will fall" and Tardis exploding is all about (which they seemed to suggest will be explored next series, along with more River Song).
Didn't explain the duck pond either... Shame.
AND FOR MY GRAND FINALE... The painting on Jame Corden's wall was Amy's dad, right? That's what I thought as soon as I saw him at least. Would be interested to be linked to a screen grab. But it might make sense, of Amy's memories still clinging on and manifesting themselves...
when the doctor was 'erased' from time and my sister got all panicked, i just said "how do they know it's a duck pond if they can't remember there being any ducks" with a knowing look on my face.
What I MEANT was SOMEONE COMMENT ON THE AMY'S DAD / SPOOKY PORTRAIT idea. Come on nerds, where are ya?
"ooh", says I at this point, "they're ripping off Bill and Ted. Excellent." <does Biddlybiddlybiddly thing and gets a funny look from the girlfriend>
This thread is on 69 DUDE!!!
There was someone on here (you?) or was it another forum (?) pointing out Amy's front door was an inversion of the front door of the non-existent top floor of James Cordon's house too.
If this is going to tie up that far back that would be pretty amazing. I can't quite see Moffat getting away with that but then again, maybe he can.
i really hope it does get tied up that epicly
that was heartwarming. Although he obviously likes her loads more than she likes him, so it's a bit sad.
Robot Rory waiting with the Pandorica for Amy was heartbreaking.
The whole 'Amy remembers the Doctor back into existence' was almost as embarassing as a few years ago 'the World believes in the Doctor, therefore he somehow isn't a wizened old shrew man any more'.
Plus the time paradox at the start was just disappointing - they found they'd written themselves into a whole and couldn't find a plausible way out.
That said there were some great things in the episode - the Tardis exploding as the Sun, the 'something old' bit, the Doctor thinking on his feet as he regressed through time, the Doctor's hat/dancing, River Song dealing with the Dalek, Auton Rory etc...
Overall it was an enjoyable series, but having dropped hints throughout about 'What caused the cracks in time?' 'What made the Tardis explode?' etc then not answering it except for 'the voice of the Emperor from Star Wars' was a bit rubbish.
Hopefully it'll be decent and get explained.
the tardis to explode...
only nerds care about plot holes or the tying up of loose ends.
my relative order of favourite episodes - I've put the double parters together because I can't be arsed to split hairs.
time of angels / flesh and stone
vincent and the doctor
pandorica opens / big bang
hungry earth / cold blood
victory of the daleks
vampires of venice.
that said, even the bottom few were brilliant. the xmas special is looking a very long way off...
apart from the Van Gogh one and the WWII Dalek one. They were trash. You really hated the Venice vampires? I loved that episode, it was the funniest out of all of them.
The finale had lots to like...can't say I really understood what on earth was going on though. I mean really, not any sort of clue at all.
might give the vampires one another watch to see if it's better than I remember... and I think the van gogh one was very marmitey, depends whether you dig the richard curtis emotional schtick.
Moffat and Smith have knocked RTD and Tennant into a cocked hat, whatever the fuck that means. As far as I'm concerned it's now edging back out of the realm of kid's TV and into something I wouldn't mind calling science fiction again.
has anyone else been playing the adventure games? the dalek 'episode' had a pretty good plot, and the cyberman one has just come out. i was kind of hoping that the finale from the dalek level was going to play a part in the big bang, think there was a mention of 'an eye' at one point that got me all excited.
The one time a 'game' page works on my office computer (now that they've blocked Google Cache the sneaky IT cuntbags) and its not even an 'in-browser' game.
Won't be playing that then. <goes in the huff with the BBC, AGAIN>
is clearly Omega. He's the only one with the motive and capability!
Good fun, very exciting, nice bit of drama and a couple of tearjerking moments
I knew a few of the nerds wouldn't be happy with it, but they never are
But I still really liked it. He's been telling us all series that Amy's wedding day is the most important day in the universe and thus it was.
The whole 'how did he get out of the box?' was a tad annoying and could easily have been avoided with a short scene where you found out he'd known all about from the start and had put things in place to sort it, but I overlooked it as indeed I've had to do in countless sci-fi things now such as BTTFuture.
But otherwise, generally loved this series a lot in terms of it's ambition, writing and atmosphere. It reminds me a bit of when I watched Nolan's Batman films though; tonally, for the character, they're spot on and exactly what I'd hope for or attempt to do myself. But there is *something* missing. I'm not sure what yet, the warmth between Amy & the Doc we see on Confidential? The secondary characters around them? The pacing of the storylines?
Compared to any RTD season finale though, it was far better I thought.
As much as I like* Amy, the episode where she pretty much wasn't in it was much more fun in terms of Matt Smith being entertaining.
I think the worst episode of Doctor Who that I’ve ever seen was ‘The Sound of Drums’ which seemed to be created entirely for the Master saying “Here come the drums!” to sync with ‘Voodoo Child’ by Rogue Traders. I was so embarrassed for him.
The paradox was part of what made it amazingly good, somehow.
Great dialogue and lots of fun. I'm looking forward to more explanations next series.
And the emotional sides of Doomsday, Journey's End and End of Time were all magnificent. It was the bombastic way he threw in bigger and bigger peril with each passing finale without knowing how to resolve them sensibly that was the problem I think.