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I'm so confused.
the alliance was a bit silly.
i have no idea how this is going to be resolved but it's either going to be ridiculously ridiculously good or terrible
I AM SO CONFUSED
OH MY GOD
Also - the drama of the ending means that no one is going to notice all the other bits. Amy roaring "I LOVE A GOOD ROMAN" <3
if you were scared the universe was going to be erased, wouldn't you do everything you possibly could to stop it?
and I don't believe that anything the Daleks have ever done suggests an ability to engage in that level of intergalactic co-operation!
also! did the universe just end? what the fuck happeneD? the TARDIS exploded. who is going to fix anything?!
Is it just me or did the universe cease to exist?
with the resolve happening in the next series
Remember how infuriating it used to be waiting for The X-Files to resolve a story. No thanks.
The Doctor is locked away
River Song assploded in the TARDIS
Amy got shot by Rory
Rory isn't even Rory, just a robot
won't that include the doctor IN The Pandorica??!!
does that mean it's not real?!?!?! it IS just something out of Amy's books - it was even depicted on the front of it.
Really strong episode. I mean, c'mon, they pretty much destroyed the universe, how can you not come back next week?
but just remember what came AFTER Empire Strikes Back...
maybe the alliance was right and they really have put the Doctor in prison for their own safety
also, why would the TARDIS exploding destroy the universe. surely other TARDIS have been destroyed before
SO CONFUSED. NEXT WEEK BETTER HAVE GOOD EXPLANATIONS
BUT THAT WAS SO AMAZING
actually - i prefer doctor who when it's understated - even though this was opbvzz BEST THING EVER
i just don't see how he'll ever make something a bit more understated THIS EXCITING
they spent 15 minutes just trying to work out what the box was without really doing much CGI stuff at all.
Moffat two-parters have generally tapered off in the 2nd half, but so far this is SO MUCH better than the RTD finales.
But yeah, where to from here?
that the cracks basically just open up different, uh, dimensions? i guess. or something. if you remember the doctor sonicked the crack and it opened to reveal the prison before it closed again.
i don't know though, someone else will probably explain it and i am wrong.
the universe starts all over again without the doctor but something to do with Amy Pond's memories or something. I dunno
OMGZZZ SO OVER STIMULATED
There should just be a pile of bodies outside the box. Well done, you locked him away, now why wait on getting back to hating each other?
AMAZING AMAZING AMAZING.
is going to be so good, no deus ex machinas like every other season finale they've done.
are making out that Amy is properly dead. 'Amy remembered' and stuff.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEM.
To escape the Pandorica, the Doctor will throw himself into the Crack.
The Doctor we just saw in the Pandorica, wasn't the Doctor but an Auton, possibly like Rory is now created by Amy Pond's imagination being read by the nestene consciouness.
What we've just seen, is the Doctor's Second time around at this particular scenario. Next week The REAL Doctor is going to revisit Amy Pond at various times in her life to allow this ruse to take place, She'll create a facsimile of the DR from her memory, the way she's created one of rory.
We've already seen this twice, one in episode one, where we seen young Amelia hearing the Tardis returning, and two, in Flesh and Stone where the Doctor returns to Amy without his jacket when amy can't open her eyes..
Moffat's been watching Primer i think.
timecrimes style would be good
Although I hope it's not true now because otherwise you've just spoiled the last episode!
in The Eleventh Hour when young Amy is originally waiting for the TARDIS to return we see a shadow move in her house which could be The Doctor as well.
He goes away without his jacket, then comes back with it on.
The finale is going to be awesome..
since the Pandorica is the origin of everything then is he Prisoner Zero. And if Amelia Pond is back then - hmmmmm
Also, her house has too many rooms like the House in the lodger. hmmmmm
it's quite possible we never saw it's true face...
Interestingly enough, it too needed to read Amy's mind...
but I'm not entirely sure how....
and so he somehow gets through the crack/escapes the Pandorica
And builds a TARDIS in Amy's House. After all, it has too many empty rooms. And then takes her on these adventures to ensure that he gets gets trapped but knows that he's going to escape. He escapes, the universe in which the alliance happens ends. And he's taught River Song to fly the TARDIS to get to the new TARDIS to help him - I'm not really sure.
ideas rather than theory.
is he going to make a new TARDIS from a giant cardboard freezer box and some coathangers?
infact, it seems to have been a thing all the way through that the Doctor's technology hasn't worked.
WHAT DOES IT MEAN?!
exactly the same, but the inverse, of the upstairs flat/TARDIS in Colchester.
Amy's House = TARDIS with working chameleon circuit?
Amy's House = RIVER SONG'S TARDIS that she uses to rescue the Doctor somehow?
it isn't NECESSARILY the Doctor ;)
doesn't necessarily mean that she actually did
because it was already there....
Amy's front door: http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k142/johnnyzeppelin/DW_5x01_The_Eleventh_Hour_152.jpg
Lodger door: http://doctorwho.sonicbiro.co.uk/gallery/albums/userpics/normal_DW_5x11_The_Lodger_022.jpg
but all we saw was it vanishing. he might have been wrong. he's been wrong about a lot of stuff recently.
Today though, it is wholly applicable. Indeed, compulsory.
I'm off to watch it again...
I want to have a week of giddy childish excitement building up to an OMG moment. Cheers.
these big season arcs full of puzzles and stuff are basically MADE for speculating.
I'm just excited. Watched it again!
that I'll have to wait until Monday to see the last episode because I'm at Glastonbury...
It must be relevant somehow.
River Song is probably my favourite character in the whole history of the program now. Truly, the very definition of 'fabulous'. I do so hope she is back next year.
In 5 minutes Steven Moffat managed to make the Cybermen more scary, mean and generally all round brilliant than RTD managed in 3 stories. Well done Steven Moffat!
Best pre-titles teaser ever. LOVED the drawing of River on the wall, and Liz 10 ("I'm the bloody queen" :D) and it looked like the Roman guard who greeted them had smudged lipstick on his cheek. Nice touch.
Murray Gold's score for this episode was fantastic.
I'm actually glad I'm at Glastonbury because then I'll be totally cut off from speculation and what not. I'm so glad I managed to avoid all spoilers ahead of this episode.
Minor gripe: what were the Silurians doing there? Surely they would have been asleep, or if not they wouldn't have met the Doctor yet. Unless they somehow invented time travel. Which they haven't.
Do you think people will lose interest in this series for being too... Well, good?
My Dad doesn't like the new Doc. A load of my mates have stopped watching it. And the viewing figures are dropping from 10.8 million down to 7.4.
Just asking. I've loved (almost) every minute of it. But I wonder if it's almost TOO good for primetime telly now. I hope BBC stick to their guns and plough on with the increased budget and team. It's one of the few success stories in British TV of the last decade.
The Moff is too much of a towering figure of AWESOMENESS now he's mates with Spielberg and writing other stuff left right and centre.
They'll write off the viewing figures to the World Cup I think.
Apparently, the next series of Who is going to be less WOAH dramatic though - more little episodes and adventures and fewer arcs. we'll see.
i reckon New Who has prolly developed a stronger fan base of young adult intelligent types more than it used to this series what with a super hot super fashionable leading couple, a bit more darkness and killer innuendos. i dunno what my point of this is exactly.
Back in the 70's or 80's talking about Dr Who with your mates at school or college would probably have resulted in getting beaten up or at least having the piss taken by the non-geek public.
This year more than ever before a lot of people don't watch the show 'live', what with it being on much earlier a lot of weeks as well as people becoming much more comfortable with the idea of iplayer or Sky+. If it's a dead sunny day people aren't going to rush inside when they can easily catch up later.
It's set new records for the BBC's iplayer, and from what I've gathered once repeats, recordings and internet viewings have been taken into account figures have been consistent with previous years.
So yeah, don't worry basically.
I'll sleep tight knowing that. Those figures do supposedly take into account iplayer though and definitely are falling. Anyhow, time will tell.
I'd just hate to ever see it off air again given all the hard work that's gone into it. I still have to pinch myself at 6:40 some Saturdays when that music kicks in that it's ACTUALLY real and on screen.
One other theme that's interested me this series is the repeated mention of the Doc being old and on regeneration 11 out of 13. I wonder how they'll backtrack on that. Or if they will...
tennant had one, remeber?
I've always wondered this.
Do you ever watch old episodes of the show?
If so, which ones? Are we talking Eccleston or the old black and White ones?
I've got a few on DVD but some are quite painful viewing now I find. Laboured and overly repetitive. Which ones still stand up for you?
I'm saying the oriinal daleks storyline, Unearthly child, Earthshock, Remembrance of daleks, caves of androzani and what remains of the Cyberman moonbase show.
I'd like some more for my birthday. Recommendations?
Maybe I ought to buy Ecclestons series...
"Dalek" is probably the greatest episode of the reboot except for maybe Blink. It's so unsettling.
The late Seventh Doctor ones where it goes a bit Lovecraft are cool.
i really like eccleston's series
Not watched some of them for many a year though (when I was 13 odd I realised I wasn't going to get very far at school being a geek for a program that hasn't been on telly for pretty much ten years so kind of left it until the series came back). I started buying the DVDs last summer. You're right, some of it is just awful but the DVDs are usually worth it for the extras alone. Some of my faves would be:
Hartnell: The Dalek Invasion of Earth, The Time Meddler
Troughton: Tomb of the Cybermen, The Mind Robber, The War Games
Pertwee: The Silurians, The Sea Devils, Inferno
T.Baker: Genesis of the Daleks, City of Death, Brain of Morbius
Davison: Caves of Androzani, Earthshock, The Five Doctors
C.Baker: Revelation of the Daleks
McCoy: Remembrance of the Daleks, Curse of Fenric, Survival
McGann: Too much to chose from. An impossible task!
Hope that helps.
Seen a fair few of them actually but a few escaped me. Like The Mind Robber, Revelation and Survival. I'll investigate!
I still hope that one day some Japanese collectors attic will hold a complete set of The Dalek Masterplan story. That book was immense as a kid.
Seeds of Death was good too. And Spearhead from space thinking about it. I still hope The Ice Warriors return in a global warming based storyline sometime soon. Alongwith a Five Doctors style reunion of previous Docs...
and it will be the 50th anniversary in three years time. The problem of course is that three of them are dead, two are old and fat, two could maybe pass as their old selves if you really squint, and one came out this week saying how much he hated filming it.
So Smith, Tennant and McGann then?
I can't wait to watch this whole series again already. Thinking about some of the comments above, I reckon a fair few of you have worked out 'bits' of the puzzle and that when you rewatch the entire run, it'll all come together and make sense on a variety of levels.
Some of the hate this series has got regarding the lack of emotional depth of Amy compared to RTD's human portrayals, the weird relationship between her and Rory, the Doctor's fallibility etc could possibly all be explained away next week and come to make absolutely perfect sense. I dearly hope so anyhow.
I'm kind of glad to hear that the next series will return to one off, fun adventures again in a way though. If next week pulls off what it could potentially threaten to do, it'll be monumental telly and something us sci-fi geeks hark back to for decades to come. But Doctor Who is always a balance of mass media entertainment, emotional intrigue, historical romps and bonkers creativity. Whilst I love Moffat's writing and plot arcs, to truly win over the fence-sitters he needs to make us love Amy, give her and the Doctor some genuinely heartbreaking moments and create some fun and silly enemies. He's a master of reinventing old ones (see the Autons & Cyberman this week) or creating new scary ones based on childhood fears (statues, gas masks, shadows, monster under the bed etc). But if Doctor Who is going to remain primetime telly, it does need to be more 'fun' too sporadically to continue getting the younger viewers on board.
The continued criticism of the effects this series has baffled me though. Loads of articles have mentioned it this series and yet they've seemed a real step up this time around to me?
Anyhow. So fucking excited right now. I might watch it AGAIN tonight. And tomorrow...
that totally went over my head until this week with the TARDIS falling through time being struck by lightning and malfunctioning. I so hope the theories above pan out.
Next week's must be a 2 hour special. Right...?
I really enjoyed the episode as a whole, but that part really didn't work.
the same person as the Priest in Time of Angels or is that just me?
are the same as the soldier/priest/sacred bobs - will report back with findings.
this thread reads like the giddy excitement of major LOST episode reactions.
so you're both being wallys
But you know that sense that all your questions and plot strands would tie up and make sense? Well, for us Who fans I think next Saturday will actually answer s great deal of them.
Obviously it's easier to do that over 11 episodes but hey...!
it'd be pointless to argue or compare because i've only seen a couple of recent dr who episodes (though admittedly really hated both) so i'm in no position to criticise it's storytelling or whatever, just as any mentals being hugely defensive about someone preferring another show to dr who probably havent seen nearly enough of LOST to judge.
They are both brilliant and I love them both. Two completely different shows of course, but both wonderful.
I'm still not quite sure where I stand on the end of Lost, but I am very confident that this season of Doctor Who will be wrapped up perfectly. Of course, they are not wrapping everything up because Doctor Who can run forever.
'silence will fall'
who in the universe was looking for silence? who in the universe wasn't in that room full of the doctor's worst nightmares?
where is the master? is it the bloody master?!
"But Gogh only cut the lobe off apparently, he could still hear." paraphrased from some punter who knows his Gogh trivia... (ie not me)
I liked that episode as it showed the 1st Dr when he looked into that car mirror doohickey. I thought that was a nice touch.
And, yep, the Master was wanting the drums to stop pounding. But bringing him back /again/ so soon would be a bit dull and unimaginative.
They can't keep rolling him (as much as I like John Simms) and the daleks out at the end of every season cos they're the only real threats the Dr's had to face. I'm sure they can think up something else.
was on This Morning, er this morning... he said a surprise guest makes a reappearance in tomorrow's finale but he was remaining tight lipped on the identity!! So probably is the Master then?