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they've clearly been pissing in the wind with their attempts to cap the leak so far.
but yeah that's true - they can't actually "stop" it, the top kill would've if that was going to work. the only way to stop it is the relief wells which, if they are 60% success then... ha, they probably should be drilling several of them... i didn't know that.
it's a big problem, but blaming BP is one way the US government saying "naughty naughty" but also a concession that they allowed BP to operate in that way. there's no company in the UK (BP included) that would be allowed to operate like that. it's a cluster fuck but an accident waiting to happen.
what did BP do that it wouldn't have been allowed to do in the North Sea for instance?
they didn't cement it correctly. this part of drilling is normally the most dangerous and it appears that BP didn't do anything to correct it. halliburton even pointed it out.
in the north sea we don't do really deep drilling. we will, off the coast of shetland soon - BP Clair is out there right now. but we have always over engineered and are constantly audited by the HSE. They've put a stop to production on a few of the platforms and rigs i've worked on. as i understand it, TransCocean and BP cut corners and Halliburton didn't raise the alarm, and the US government don't really pay too much attention to it.
it's not exactly my field, i am more productions and offshore design so i can't pretend i know subsea workings, but i understand top kill and the BOP (desgined a BO Diveter). I also have a good few documents about what's been happening. EG:
But quite complicated for someone not au fait with the oil drilling. I'll try and digest it later.
will we die?
where we're pretty much unable to conceive of the potential scale of this disaster.
We're kinda there already, but it looks like it might easily get almost immeasurably worse over the next couple of months.
If ever there was a warning that us humans should start to get our house in order rather than just chatting about it...
but like i said, the average person doesn't seem to care that much, despite it being all over the news for the last couple of months. why worry about it when there's football to watch
Sure I think it's a terrible environmental disaster but it's all a bit to big for me to fully comprehend. I'm assuming the average person who lives in that area cares more, as they are directly affected by it.
its not up to humans.....its the system that demands that humans live in the way that they do, needing oil.
the system (capitalising on predjudices and ignorance) encourages humans and sub systems to make humans who try to opt out of consumerist society, pariahs and boogeymen.
The way I’m feeling about this now is that since it’s already a massive unfathomable shitstorm, in a peverse way perhaps it’s almost better that it be big enough that it permanently alters some fundamentals.
If they’d capped it last month, sweet fuck all would have really been changed. If it stops this month, we may see some lip service paid to ending dependence on fossil fuels, but nothing long-term – as evidenced by the fact that the Clean Energy Act that was already in progress before the spill still can’t gather enough votes to pass the US senate. But if it does take another 2 months – or worse – then maybe – MAYBE – it will be the catalyst that finally sees some progress on the clean energy front. It HAS to be the US that takes the lead on this thing given they’re easily the biggest polluters, but it’s them that always holds things up.
This is really squinting hard to see a silver lining, but it’s at least something. That’s if the world doesn’t implode into utter oblivion when the Gulf seabed collapses
it can provide a concept for the next Gorillaz album.
That's just God rolling up his sleeves and sending down a half-tracker to get limbered up for what's coming
and all the tropical storm forecasts I've seen predict a very active season. There's some suggestion that most of the hurricanes that form won't threaten the gulf though but predicting that with any accuracy is extremely difficult. We'll see.
this is ACTUALLY occuring
rather than speculation on something occurring 'out of the blue'
it's a subtle but important distinction
but referencing science-fiction that nobody thought was even possible let alone likely?
Nobody smart anyway. It was misreported.
(And by "possible" I mean a chance greater than one in a xazazillion.)
but please stop posting in serious threads. reading your feeble efforts to question the nature of established thought makes my skin crawl.
i can rest a little easier now.
Tried http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page ?
Failing that, http://www.tenwordwiki.com/BP
then you might try outlining how you see a problem and asking for clarification on the bit that's not clear. you're much more likely to get a positive response that way.
the worst place in the world to impress people and the best place to exchange ideas with people free from the distractions of status. and you respond to it with character defining levels paranoia and negativity. good work : )
after admitting that you post "blithely ill-informed contrary opinions" because "it usually gets people angry which is funny" are you really trying to play the victim?
also, what does "call an egg an egg mean"? are you really suggesting that i should just accept the obvious that everyone in this thread is a vainglorious bully?
it's this passive-aggressive paranoid schtick that makes people knock you in the first place. are you really so deluded that you don't see that you're the one who starts this cycle and, weirdly, seems to get off on it?
whose - the self important bullies who you were criticising earlier?
take a look back over what you've written so far in this thread and see how all over the place your explanations for your behaviour have been. consider the possibility that your actions are those of a person whose desperate for attention and who chooses to provoke hostility because you have too negative a view of yourself to seek it any other way.
you're not naturally unpleasant, irritating or hysterical so please stop behaving in that manner.
I just wanted to wade in and show my credentials of recognising a massive spanner
perspective? on a quite clearly disastrous environmental situation?
is the appropriate term.
you sound about as informed about current affairs as a senile old lady.
that can't grasp how much oil was in that tanker?
A FUCKING SHIT LOAD.
and by tanker, of course, i meant well
All very speculative, obviously, but speculate away if you have even the slightest concept of how they compare.
this is more of a mars bar.
this is more like a christmas selection box
what's the curly wurly equivalent?
is that perversely it was almost helpful to the environment. I remember a friend saying that the best way we could safeguard the ecosystem of our planet would be to get the Russians or the Japanese to build a fuckload of nuclear reactors in the rainforests and Alaska and such, simply because if they went to hell it would mean humans wouldn't be able to touch those areas for about a thousand years.
This oil-leak on the other hand is nightmarish however you want to look at it.
how long would it take for the oil to reach southend?
Even if they just let it run forever the well isn't unlimited. And it's been gushing for months and has barely reached the shores in most of Florida yet, so Southend is safe for a little while yet
tends to sink
burning the top oil, using chemical dispersents - that aren't great for the environment in other ways, but help beat back the oil a little
sits on top of the water. if it sank there'd be no problem with it and fish. but if it sank then it wouldn't come out of the ground... :D
I thought it was only lighter when refined?
but the crude is around 800kg/m3 and water's 1000kg/m3
kill some fishes and put some food prices up, and dirty up a couple beaches in arkansas. but really thats it. its no worlds end.
for them to get a soiled beach Louisiana will have literally had to have fallen into the sea, which you can bet on at odds of 5/4 at Ladbrokes
"we are beginning to the results of the well's total integrity beginning to fail due to the undermining being caused by the leaking well bore"
i'm not going to trust something that poorly written.
hands will be wrung, fingers will be pointed, then everything will go back to normal
pretty much like the economic crisis. There was the idea that it would lead to a re-jigging of the economy. But it turned out we couldn't really be bothered.
i thought it was from a mako reactor/a scene from final fantasy 7.
now i cant take it seriously AT ALL.
That was probably done with your feet up on the table and a hat pulled down over your eyes
I wish I was like gerogoggoggmrsgoggins
has got us into this mess.
which, in all likleyhood, will see you perish or absolutely impoverished within 15 years
that I'm not clever enough to understand but will nonetheless still predict.
and massive spiders
i'm going to assume the power of the explosion would both blow a chunk of the earth's crust into space and make Michael Bay weep with joy.
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but that was the best one when I looked
Has it stopped?
that's working for me