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personally wouldve taken walcott over w-phillips but hey ho.
in fact, i'd rather play either of them at right back instead of jamie carragher.
as once again we have an attack completely devoid of left footers.
I hope Joe Cole plays and is good.
but one of many england players coming into the WC on the back of shite domestic seasons.
he's still our best player.
are you ill
Dawson over Upson.
Maybe Parker over Carrick.
But Fabio must know best, so good luck to the lads.
instead of heskey
it's a bit shit, isn't it?
i dont think anyones squad will be short of players who are a bit shit.
Oh well. I'm going to miss most of the stupid World Cup anyway.
I DON'T CARE
The problem is that we're hilariously short on depth.
Capello has failed
Capello is in the best position to judge, having watched them all train for a couple of weeks and knowing exactly how he wants to set up his teams.
However, in true armchair-pundit style, my variations would have been:
Adam Johnson instead of Shaun Wright-Phillips,
Scott Parker instead of Michael Carrick,
and Michael Dawson instead of Matthew Upson.
but I guess Capello must know better than us, right?
I'd take that every day of the week.
Still get thrashed by Spain and/or Brazil but it's a decent England team.
our first 11 is still pretty good.
when i stop and think about it i'm getting mostly annoyed about subs/ players who won't even come close to playing. we actually have a good starting team (although the left wing still annoys me and depending on barry's fitness)
(tactically speaking) in his preferred formation, I'm not sure it's a huge problem. Would be nice to have one as an alternative, but it's not a major concern for me.
that all play in their home country? North Korea maybe?
END OF CURIOSITY
there's a North Korean who plays in Russia and one plays in Japan.
I think England, Italy and Spain are all pretty close to having a squad of home based players (prove me wrong).
Fabregas, Reina and Torres for Spain off the top of my head
I meant Germany. Clearly.
that they had a domestic player in the squad for the first time ever (or something like that)
now we'll never know how good a Lennon/Walcott/SWP three-man forward line would have been.
oh how we'd love to spend weeks on end deliberating who would play left back, will Jones be fit ? can Jones and Jones play together in midfield ? is Jones the correct partner for Jones up front ?
If we just put all our shit aside and formed a Great Britain team, this wouldn't be an issue.
Then again, the monthly vitriol over "How come there's only one Scot in the squad and he's on the bench?!!" would probably be worse...
no questions asked
players currently playing for our national side that would get in the England team..
and Ramsay probably isn't ready yet..
Um, there isn't anyone else remotely near selection. Wayne Hennessey if he gets really good maybe.
There's only 11 players on the field anyway - one or two players might make all the difference, innit?
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If that was the squad of a Premier League team, how good would you expect it to be?
I reckon Champions League place but not challenging for the title.
it would be a a title winning/challenging team.
its arguable better than arsenals starting 11.
But the depth isn't brilliant, is it? And very much like United, if Rooney gets injured the squad looks a lot less dangerous.
And if you lose Gerrard, you still have Lampard. And if you lose Lampard, you still have Lennon/Joe Cole/Wright-Phillips. What do people want? For my money, there are only two World Cup squads which could stand to lose half their first choice team and not really suffer for it, and they're Spain and Argentina. Apart from them, we're no worse off than anyone else.
I think it's telling that the likes of Messi, Kaka and Luca Toni see England as one of the main contenders for the tournament, yet nobody English seems to. And I don't mean Messi, Kaka and Toni are clearly less informed. On paper, we have a great squad. Maybe one of the weakest squads we've had in a while, but still a strong one.
If we fuck up again, it won't be due to lack of talent. And I realise that point of view loses credibility with every year that passes - if we have the talent, sure we would have seen in manifest itself in the form of a great team by now? - but I still strongly believe it. Wayne Rooney's just been named Premier League player of the year; Frank Lampard scored an absurd number of goals from midfield last season, even for him; Ashley Cole is the best left-back in the world; Steven Gerrard is still one of the best players in the world, even if he was a long way from showing it last year; and while they've struggled for form and fitness lately, we all know we possess three exceptionally talented centre-backs.
Shouldn't that be enough? Who even cares what the rest of the squad looks like? But hey, let's do it anyway: the aforementioned Joe Cole, Aaron Lennon and Shaun Wright-Phillips may not be world-beaters, but they all have qualities to worry any team in the world. Likewise Jermain Defoe and Peter Crouch. Glen Johnson may have his critics, and indeed his flaws, but he offers another great threat going forward, and according to the Opta stats, he made more tackles than any other England full-back last season. So much for a player who can't defend. Out of the 3 'keepers in the squad, we might just be able to find a good one (hint: not Robert Green). And that's not even to mention Gareth Barry, who, as kissinginkansas has been at pains to point out for what seems like years now, was one of England's most important players in qualifying. These people are hardly seat-fillers.
I don't really want to get into the discussion about each individual player's specific merits which this post is bound to encourage, I'm just trying to show that it's not *that* hard to find something to be optimistic about. We'll probably go out in the quarter-finals anyway, but let's at least wait until that's happened before we start moaning about how crap we are.
I think the top rung of world football is a bit like the Premiership this year: all of the top teams have regressed slightly from the last world cup/european championships in terms of the players in their squads, it's all a question of whether the chasing pack can break through in the latter stages, how well the managers set up their teams, and how well they weather any injuries.
Like the premiership title at the beginning of the season, I can see any one of about four teams (and England are included in that list) winning, and any one of those teams losing a game or two against the second tier nations.
Spain have arguably matured somewhat over the past few years, but overall the quality of the teams is a lot more even. There's not as huge a gap in class between the top-ranked FIFA/Elo teams and the ones in the 10-25 range.
a very good core, but struggling a bit if any of the key players get injured.
and he has small hands
meeting their heroes.. particularly like the James Milner one..
but his left eye is elsewhere. Creepy.
Can't see us scoring enough. I can see us letting plenty in though! As for strength in depth it's only going to get worse in future years - there are too few Englishmen in the Premier League starting 11s and our current team make-up is heavily reliant on the academies from the days of yore when teams like Liverpool, West Ham and Arsenal used to actually train and play English players. At least West Ham still do...ish...
Very interesting discussions about statistics and economics behind the game.
The title's a bit of an attention grabber - they show that, given England's population, economy, proportion of the population playing football, quality of academies, etc., etc., England have generally done exactly as well as they should be expected to - but they make some good points about how the national team could be improved.
The first is to make the Premier League even more competitive. If you make it so that the quality of the league is as high as possible, and you remove any selection bias for or against any particular nationality (including English), then it stands to reason that those Englishmen who get into the league will be of a higher overall quality even if they are fewer in number.
Conversely, though, they do talk about how the average Premier League footballer plays more matches and ends up running a much larger distance over the course of the season than in the other big leagues, so the national team is far more drained when arriving for international tournaments than teams like Spain or Italy which also have most of their players playing in the domestic league.
Would like a read of that.
It's very good, even if a little lightweight (it's consciously modelled on Freakonomics, and outside of the UK it's actually called Soccernomics). They have a lot of love Arsene Wenger, though, because he basically looks at football like a statistician too, and his constant praise can prove grating at times. If
The working class in this country has been shrinking for years, but top English footballers are disproportionately more likely to come from the working class than is sustainable. I think, of regular starting XI players of the past two decades, only Peter Crouch and a couple of other players have come from white collar backgrounds.
Lure those rich kids away from cricket and rugby and we'd much better, basically.
This sounds like an absolute minefield, but I strongly suspect that the issue is youth-coaching methods rather than class
They are almost always practising shooting from ~15 yards with a full-size ball.
until they turn 10
The best one was a 5-a-side pitch where girls who looked about 8 were being forced to line up to hit shots from the halfway line.
I think you're opening up a can of worms here. Don't forget that cricket, rugby and tennis have spent a lot of money trying to get working class kids to play their sports as the small talent pool is seen as one of the reasons why we don't produce team after team of world beaters.
England's rugby world cup victory, 20twenty victory and Andy Murray.
I'm not sure how much of an effect it has on the quality of our players, but it's hardly controversial to say footballers generally come from lower income families.
It's quite annoying because I've lent the book to my uncle, so I can't quote the book properly.
I think their main point was that even when those working class kids went to a private school or achieved high academic marks or whatever, the main thing is that they come from a culture (both in their family and their community) which keeps them as being working class and which expects certain things of them as a player - all those things you hear in the media about grit, 'getting stuck in', the bulldog spirit, etc. And when combined with the overall demographic trends of the UK and England you can see quite a mismatch in makeup between the country as a whole and the national team (eg, it explains why black players are actually now more common in the top flight than their percentage of the population, because demographically black Englishmen are more likely to be from lower-income areas).
I don't think it's a hugely unreasonable argument, though obviously it's not all-encompassing and will have flaws somewhere I imagine.
and the keepers
I doubt the future will be that bleak
Didn't really lead to success though.
and I didn't say it would lead to success. Just thought the doomongering should be put in perspective.
Wins a lot of tournaments.
The problem is that early ability is actually not linked very strongly with final ability - for every Wayne Rooney there are hundreds of similar kids who also played blinders at the same age but who fell away as time went on.
They make this point in the book, too, when talking about the draft system in US baseball - teams who rely on youthful high school and college prodigies over proven talent tend to come a cropper.
I don't think so. Not with the winning many tournaments anyway.
Given not all or even most of the players will make it to the top level, but some will and maybe this win and the recent u21 championship results, suggest that maybe the future isn't gonna be as bad as some of ya are making out.
expecting Theo Walcott, Jack Wilshere and Kieran Gibbs to be in it, poss a couple from the youth team are in with a shout too.
Don't worry everyone, Shane Smeltz made it in
...jesus, he'd be a squad player if hargreaves were fit. Madness.
Also, upson making the squad ahead of dawson is crazy talk.
Fatti mccarthy left out of SA squad.
Hargreaves is Englands ONLY ball winning midfielder. Also, Ashton is retired. Have you paid your fiver yet?
thats the real question. Paul Parker for right back!
Having played around with some match predictors it's not so much down to England's quality as the fact that they've got quite a good draw. Chances are the best team they'll have to face before the semis is Germany, who look particularly weak this year.
Though they have a tough group this time.
I'm pleased to see Walcott & Huddlestone dropped. Really don't rate either of them.
Disappointed for Dawson and Johnson. Dropping them for Upson and Wright-Phillips seems very wierd to me.
If everyone stays fit we've got a chance. Joe Cole has to start though - always delivers in an England shirt, and there aren't many other players in the squad that you could say that about.
(well maybe not in goal)
but after that things start looking decidedly midtable
Heskey, Carragher, Warnock, Wright-Philips, Crouch and Barry - I'm sure Brazil, Argentina and Spain are terrified.
They shit themselves because they don't know how to defend against his beanpole height. It's basically the source of his powers.
I know a fair few people on here don't agree but as an impact substitute, he could have made the difference in the knockout rounds. I hope very much Shaun Wright Phillips comes on and plays some blinding cameos but I can't see it.
I guess Capello felt that experience was more important than form in this instance, but considering how much weight he always says he puts on form it's kind of disappointing.
he'd have been a good squad player this time but for a tournament like this you probably need a more experienced player like SWP who has a proven record of making a difference for england.
if AJ keeps it up SWP will be dumped out of City and England this time next year
it was only ever going to be 2 of 3 between Lennon, Wright-Phillips and Walcott. The latter being dropped I would think on the basis of his poor final delivery/end product.
Capello has often iterated he picks players on form, which makes the exclusion of Johnson and Dawson a little disappointing. Harsh not to reward them a bit more opportunity in the friendlies.
Of the selected 23, it's intensely worrying how so very few enjoyed good form over the last few months.
he can't pass, he can't shield the ball, he can't control it, he doesn't tuck in, he doesn't help the full back out. he is a luxury player - except luxury players are usually blessed with exceptional technique.
This unfulfilled potential shit is bollocks. Pace does necessarily equal potential.
he's got 2/3 world cups in him is his potential does ever get fulfilled.