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why have Everton signed Jermaine Beckford?
without having to spend any money?
no way is he europa league quality, which is what i guess everton are aiming for.
wish him all the best though. scored the two most important goals in our recent history (if we can call the man u game important) so i can't complain about him leaving...
replying is fucked up today...
and he couldn't even get in the Leeds team when they were in the Championship. Seems a bit silly. Like DJ Campbell to Birmingham times 1000.
including WORLD CLASS!!!!!!!!!!!! michael dawson
He'll have a moderate season in which it'll become clear he's not really Everton quality. Everton will probably sell him for about £2m to a there or thereabouts Championship club (someone like Middlesbrough or Swansea).
forgot about him.
Jon Stead had nowhere as good a goalscoring scoring record as Beckford - more than a goal every 2 games.
I'm not saying it's a great signing, but I can see why they went for it. Free transfer. Good scoring record. Home grown player (I think there are new rules next year regarding this and squad size?).
I'd guess that City are bidding that while they can still control how much they pay for him. He's really not worth £34m though.
I mean, I follow what you're saying but there'd be no point having a release clause if it commanded a reasonable fee. The point is to force people to cough up more than they should.
unless it's a Bullard-to-Hull type signing that'll bankrupt your club it's completely unimportant. not your money, is it? if he scores goals for you you won't give a toss how much he cost the club.
i love when this happens :')
Moyes has a habit of signing unproven lower league players and turning them into excellent top-flight players e.g. Cahill and Arteta.
They signed him from Real Sociedad. Jagielka or Gosling would have been better examples.
Lescott and Cahill had spent several seasons as two of the best players in the Championship, with the former also playing for a year in the Premier League with Wolves. *None* of them are comparable.
Point still stands though.
He was definitely a gamble.
is obsessive in his research and scouting of potential targets. I think I read that he normally watches a player six or seven times at least before making an approach. I'm struggling to think of a bad Moyes signing, although I suspect someone will promptly prove me wrong.
That said, I've still been taunting my Everton supporting mate about this.
Andy van der Meyde.
we bought him for 500k when we literally had no money just before Rooney left. He lead the line for a year, scored some goals, spat his dummy out when we signed Beattie and then sold him for £2 million to Charlton.
One of the most efficient pieces of business around - pretty much the antithesis of lets pay £19 million for Jo and loan him out whilst still paying his wages...
why was it reported absolutely everywhere as £18-19 million then?
was one of the best ball-playing defenders in the Premier League last year and probably our most reliable performer. He's absolute quality and is comfortably playing anywhere in the back four or defensive midfield.
He'd walk straight into your first team, is 26, a proven international, excellent injury record, has got four years left on his contract and he's way better than Lescott. On that basis you can have him for £25 million...which would allow Moyes to go out and buy Donovan, Moutinho / Defour and Jan Vertonghen. With those additions and presuming we kept Arteta and Pienaar and a bit of luck with injuries, then I'd be pretty confident of a top 4 finish next year. Not going to happen though...
Moutinho though? I'm sure he'd have better options (i.e. Champions League football) available. No way Moyes is going to pay £17m for another central midfielder either.
Moutinho has had a pretty poor season for Porto this year, isn't in the Portugal squad that's going to the World Cup and needs to move on to revitalise his career. I can't see him costing £17 million and he can play anywhere across midfield - I think he'd be a great replacement for Pienaar who I think is definitely going (apparently he wants £100k / week).
I'd be happy with just Donovan and Vertonghen and no one else to leave, but I reckon Pienaar (Spurs or abroad), the Yak (West Ham) and Yobo (someone shit) will all leave and will need replacing. As long as Arteta stays we'll do well and it's common knowledge that he has told City to get fucked, despite them offering to triple his wages to £120k / week, and the only club he'd leave Everton for would be Barcelona (who are never going to come in for him).
trust me, I've seen them both play many times. All Lescott has got over him is his goals. I'd also put Johnny ahead of Barry - but he's a much less unfashionable sort of player, more of a Makalele type. I haven't seen enough of Kompany and de Jong to really comment, but they've never really stood out for me. I might be wrong though...
I'm not knocking City or Mancini or any of your players, but Heitinga's a properly good player, a natural leader and incredibly consistent performer. He'll be our Captain if he sticks around next year and I'm pretty sure he'd be a regular for you guys if nothing else just for his versatility. Who else can play anywhere across the back four and defensive midfield to an international level?
good squad player and clearly a proper footballing professional, but he has always lacked quality.
Jagielka is world-class when playing as a right-footed centre-back and goalkeeper; not the same player when on either of the flanks and isn't a proper defensive midfielder although could do a job there.
Johnny looks comfortable anywhere at the back; I reckon he's one of the most under-rated players in the Premier League.
Face it, every manager makes the odd bad signing, it's inevitable isn't it?
Per Kroldrup - couldn't head the ball apparently and was packed back to Italy asap.
Shandy VDM - complete piss-head, waste of a talent - used to turn up to training completely wrecked from the night before.
James Beattie - one good season and on his day he could be great, but far too much of a confidence player for my liking.
Marcus Bent - see above.
Rodrigo - injured before he could play a game.
Overall Moyes knows a player though - buying players like Pienaar, Cahill, Arteta, etc for about £2 million each is incredible business. Not sure what to think about Beckford; he looks awesome on YouTube, even at a lower level - I've heard he's dressing room poison on a level above Bellamy, Barton, etc though. Probably won't get a game and we'll sell him to someone like Wolves for about £2 million after one season.
Low risk with no fee, low wages in terms of Premier League salaries and he could end up being a gem. If he's not, he's signed a 4 year contract so Everton will have guaranteed themselves a couple of million quid in a couple of years time.
The best part of this is Wealdstone getting a sell on and their fans and chairman lobbying Everton for some cash that they really don't warrant. They've made plenty out of Beckford already.
so surely deserves a crack at the top flight, and lets face it, compared to some of the dreadful overseas signings made by Premiership clubs in recent years (Afonso Alves, Jozy Altidore, John Utaka to name but three) represents excellent value whether he succeeds or fails.
If it's the former, then fair enough, although that said, if he's on £20,000 a week (I don't know, just speculating), and they offload him for £2 million in a couple of years, they won't make much profit out of it. None, in fact.
And even so, I find it unlikely it *is* a purely business decision - I'm pretty sure it would be unique for a player of his age if it were - which means he's taking up a place in the squad. Where Moyes might have before been thinking "I need another striker", now he may well be thinking "I have Jermaine Beckford, so I can spend my money strengthening other positions". So it's still a risk, irrespective of the financial outlay, and I'd suggest it's one which will backfire.
over two years, but probably with goal scoring and appearance bonuses. I dunno, I've never really seen him play so I can't judge, but as has been mentioned, Moyes' record of bringing people from the lower leagues and making them Premier League players is excellent. And I'm pretty sure we could sell him to Wolves or Stoke in a couple of years time, whatever happens. I really doubt he's going to be considered as first, second or even third choice striker - I get the impression he'll be replacing James Vaughan as 4th choice, but being given plenty of chances to impress.
Try nearer £3-4k per week and I think you won't be far off.
with around 180 non-footballing staff leaves about £39m (assuming a fairly harsh 20k per non-playing employee) for the playing staff.
Seems pretty disciplined to me.
heard that pretty much from the horse's mouth.
I don't know anything about a signing-on fee, I can imagine that would be the case, but £20-25k / week - are you on crack? The highest earners at Everton - Cahill, Arteta, Yak, etc - are on 40k / week and I think someone like Osman is only on about 15-20k / week.
You've let yourself down there KiK...
Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle.
Your posts shooting down other people on things you can't actually possibly know about for sure might have a bit of credibility if you didn't post so much crap all the time yourself.
he has gone from about 3-5k a week to 10k. I think you reckon every club is like City and goes for the usual we'll triple what you're on and give you a five year contract because our club is a pack of cards waiting to fall nonsense. Also, who else was after him - none of the Sky 4, none of the top 10; I'm guessing people like Blackburn were vaguely interested, but to suggest there was some sort of bidding war for Jermaine Beckford and Everton / Moyes - who run a notoriously tight wage structure considering the size and pedigree of the club - flashed the cash for a fourth / fifth placed striker who we don't even need, is ridiculous.
I'm only going from what I've been told by people who know this sort of thing and to be honest, I don't care what he earns.
I do care about a City fan making a jibe about Leon Osman though - do you have any honegrown talent left in your squad nowadays or just a bunch of mercenaries?
I guess it's a bit simplistic for me to think your Jack Rodwell is Patrick Viera.
Can't say I really know those players though, although I hear Ibrahim and Boyata are decent. Also, haven't they just been bought in during the past few years - not exactly groomed since being a kid. And do you envisage them being the core of the City team in a few years or will you just be giving Kaka 250k / week when he turns 33?
he is out of contract. we offered him one but he's being a douche. ah well. he was terrible until we made him good, i reckon he'll be terrible again now.
Rafa will swap Yossi for Roque?
I love this so so so much. A great left back and as good a centre back as either of our starting pair (Berra and Craddock), but, more importantly, van Damme was an integral component of my Notts County starting XI that won the Premier League in 2017 in FM10.
I love it so much when reality matches the game.