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Boris Johnson is planning to make a big song and dance about it, which some may think is absolutely shameless, given we're in the middle of an election campaign.
i actually care more about this than the election.
It doesn't open properly till sometime in May. I'd expect a load of Lib Dem/Labour types to kick up a fuss over anything that Boris plans as a launch involving himself before the election.
What, you can't open a tube line in an election? Buh?
the 'air conditioned' Sub-surface line trains (those on the Metropolitan, District, Hammersmith & City and Circle lines) and the improvements to the Overground network, Boris likes to jump around and claim credit for TfL projects even though the planning and groundwork was laid many years ago by the Livingstone administration, when Boris' only significant contribution to transport in London has been to commit millions of pounds to a new Routemaster and trying to scrap the Western Extension Zone of the congestion charge, both against the wishes of TfL.
He also has a habit of saying things that, in this period of purdah, public bodies are not allowed to comment on or clarify.
"Boris likes to jump around and claim credit for TfL projects..."
Is that what's happening?
and there’s little reason to suspect that he’ll not do the same again.
all politicians are the same
in 1998. I think that, as Labour mayor of three years at the launch of the system in 2003, Livingstone has a legitimate claim to have been involved with the system for a fair period of its gestastion.
1998 is when funding was secured and the contract was signed. During the last mayoral elections Labour claimed that the oyster card system would not of existed without Ken - this is not true.
in September 1997. Discussions were held within TfL while this was being tested, but it was only with the signing of the funding agreement in late 1997 that the project was able to proceed with the comprehensiveness and speed that it did.
You can't possibly compare the embryonic idea of Oyster Cards with fruition of plans put fully in place by the last Mayor. Boris has done nothing to suggest he would ever have put those great transport plans in place either.
New Cross to be connected to the rest of London again. Great news.
Will be nice for getting back and forth I suppose, but the noisy rail line behind my gf's place is about to get a whole lot more action - it practically goes through their kitchen.
the size of station in Shoreditch is MASSIVELY out of proportion to however many people are likely to use it. It looks like an even bigger version of one of those Tatooine droid carriers at the start of Star Wars
I might go on a pointless journey this week just to check it out.
So really all that land about it will soon be built up to fuck with office and homespaces, I guess.
Gonna need a lot of double glazing to sell an office on top of an overground tube line
The station is a self-contained tunnel right through the site. It'll be pretty straight forward to build something all around it.
Apparently there will be no noise or vibration issues coming up through that concrete roof. It was designed to be overlong (by quite a way) for the reason of building on top of it.
Lots of people said the same thing about Canary Wharf station when it was first built.
If nothing else, there's still one of the biggest stations in London 2 minutes down the road, so the majority of people actually arriving in Shoreditch will still be arriving via a different station.
Recession or not, passenger growth is expected to rise hugely. Even at the moment the train and tube network is at capacity – despite the improvements in signalling, train length and the reduction in faults over the past decade, further lines are needed just to cope with the status quo.
There’s also the fact that you’re probably comparing the new station to existing ones. Applying current standards to existing stations, it can be seen that most the existing stations are undersized – they were designed to cope with passenger numbers from over a hundred years ago, and are cramped and crowded places today. Why should a new station not be a pleasant place through which to travel?
Is it ever happening?
Or by just building another platform at Camden Town, right? I think that's still in the planning stage, but fuck knows how far along that is. And the stations all around there need to be made a lot bigger.
I don't think there was a plan for more platforms but I guess if they want to turn changing at Camden into a Kafka-esque nightmare then they could.
Camden High Street, Kentish Town Road and Buck Street. Planning permission was DENIED and they've been quiet about it ever since.
And the amount of cunts who are about on Sundays around there/Brick Lane/Commercial Street mean it will more than pay for itself on a month of Sundays alone. Bustling.
which is going to be the scene of massive commercial and residential development over the next few years. i was sure the first tower had already been approved but i can't find anything online now.
it's also pretty much opposite the Bishops Place development: http://www.bishopsplace.co.uk/
I walked through the newly accessible bit next to the new Shoreditch Station, linking Bethnal Green Rd with Commercial Street.
Felt really weird - Can't wait for these to start running. Veh excited.
Is to deceive people that they are still underground?
The idea is that the station was built to be able to acommodate a new development being built all around it.
The line (and station) exists as a self contained, protected tunnel.
A similar thing has been done at Dalston Junction.
*this sounds a bit sarcy, but genuinely isn't. This p.s. probably sounds even worse.
reminds me that i cant really see myself ever using this line except for maybe going from highbury to shoreditch every once in a while. despite the fact i live in east london.
without the need for the walk down to the 47 bus stop in deptford
Being cheeky, it could be said that the purpose of these works is to accelerate the gentrification of Deptford, Dalston and New Cross by making them accessible to city workers.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the re-opening of these lines leads to a long term shift of stockbroker types from Clapham to the ‘edgier’ side of town.
The bit below New Cross to Croydon is a scummy round-the-houses overground line that already exists and takes about half an hour just to get to New Cross. If you wanted to go from Croydon to East London, you can take a train from East Croydon that takes about 12 mins to get to London Bridge, then get the Northern line three stops to Old Street, or Jubilee line two stops to Docklands. If you were to go all the way from Croydon to Shoreditch on this new line I'd guess it would take at least 45 mins, probably more.
Nice that Dalston finally has a tube station that connects it with the south though!
This will take you right into the City and Farringdon.
It will increase capacity though. At the moment the lines from Croydon are almost impossibly busy during rush hour.
West Croydon is an odd station because the only places it connects with to the south are Sutton (and four local stops before it) and very occasional trains to Epsom and Dorking.
The old train service ran from West Croydon to London Bridge anyway, and I guess it still will.
So I can't see a whole load of people using this for work, or recreational purposes, unless they are all too dense to realise it is a lot slower, or they are too lazy to switch trains and it is easier for them to get to West Croydon than East, which for most, it wouldn't be.
As far as I can see they have just added the Croydon section on to the signs to make it look like they have built something they haven't!
and new trains (at an increased frequency) will be running under the Overground livery.
from today, or like 2013?
Because I got the train to New Cross about a month ago and nothing appeared to be going on, and was at West Croydon station just this weekend, and it was completely the same as it has always been.
is rather like saying the circle line's ridiculous because it's quicker to take the Central line from Liverpool Street to Notting Hill Gate.
Also, this line should be very fast. The trains (from that picture) have a top speed of 75mph!
It's surrounded by pictures of Krakens and sea monsters like one of those olde seafaring maps
I see Canning Town as a rougher version of Oz.
to Clapham Junction on the map? I thought that was going to be in a year or so. For a moment I thought I'd be able to get it from Peckham...I'm disappointed and confused. Was it just for the press event?
Don't worry, it will happen - and before the Olympics.
I still refuse to believe there is a tube station in Dalston. It's going to take me at least 24 years to accept it.
...explain to me why Kingsland Road needs to be served by THREE tube stations (Hoxton, Haggerston, Dalston Kingsland)?
Seems a bit excessive to me. Mind you, make it easier for dickheads to get to warehouse parties, I guess...
Oxford Street has 4
I had no idea it got so congested in the mornings... to be fair I've only gotten a bus up it of an evening and it takes about 5 minutes to get from Kebab Zero to Dalston Junction...
And 3 out of Oxford Street's 4 serve other tube lines, acting as hubs for the centre from elsewhere. 6 tube lines converge on Oxford Street; only 1 on Kingsland Road...
Ah well, I can't see I'll be using it practically too soon but it'll be good to take it for a whirl. I like the fact they've moved the new Shoreditch (High Street) Station into Zone 1 where it was previously in Zone 2. Very cheeky!
...but it just seems to be a bit of needless expense to have one at both Haggerston and Hoxton. Mind you the people who built it probably have a better idea of its use so I should leave judgement about it to them...
"The Goldsmiths Express".
While it is eminently cool, there are already too many belter students in Dalston already. Don't make it easier for them!
I guess I need to hang out with Nathan Barley types a bit more.
They use it as someone who thinks they're great but actually they're a loser
"What a belter"
"Such a belterish thing to say"
"I always thought he was alright but he was a right fucking belter last night"
I don't really understand the line about Nathan Barley
from the Dalston area.
I know ‘belter’ as an affectionate geordie term - a bit like 'grand'.
that's the opposite for the usage up in scotland entirely...
Something I don't understand about this extension, though: Why haven't they put an interchange at Shoreditch High Street with the Central Line? Or some other kind of interchange? It means that if you want to get to, say, the Haggerston station, and you're coming from the city centre, then you've got to do an awkward bunch of changes to get to Whitechapel first. Very odd.
Although looking around there's loads of places where the new Overground crosses older lines and there few of them have interchanges, so maybe that's a further part of the project that has yet to come.
The Overground network exists separate to the Underground along most of its length. This means that you can get a whole bunch of stations really close to each other (eg in West Hampstead). An interchange where the Central and East London Line meet might be possible, I suppose, but I'd say that it was highly unlikely.
Just had a look on Google Maps, and Shoreditch High Street is about as close to the Central Line as Tower Hill is to Tower Gateway. So it's possible, but the cost of building a whole new station is probably not worth the extra convenience. Might be different a decade down the line when that whole area is completely gentrified, though, perhaps.
the central line's still way underground at that point. cost of digging down to a new station, as well as probably having to close the central line for a few months probably isnt worth it. overground trains are much easier.
It's a right pain in the arse to build a new station on an existing tube line, and there wouldn't have been any scope to divert the Overground to cross where there was an existing station.
But still, it seems like a missed trick if they're wanting to fully integrate that part of London with the rest of the network. If the area gets fully gentrified (as is not unlikely) in the next decade then perhaps it'll start to look sensible.
The old line didn't go near Liverpool street so building a link would have been very hard to achieve.
It's just that I look at the tube map now and that irrational gap in the system makes it look so very untidy. If I was playing SimCity I'd risk going bankrupt just to fix that and make it all more aesthetically pleasing. Is that a bit OCD? Hmm.
I saw some used chewing gum on a tube window on Saturday night, the chewer had shaped it into Spiderman climbing. It was AMAZING. Stupid damn phone wouldn't take a picture of it :(
Basically right over her roof garden thing, it's a bit odd.
for a pointless jaunt between Shoreditch High St and Hoxton. It was weird being there on the first day, eerily quiet apart from a few journos/execs on tour. The trains are pretty swanky.
7am until 8pm weekdays only, at the moment.
as he keeps telling me.
it was SO loud and squeaky it was awful!
So Shoreditch High Street is in zone 1 but no other station on that stretch of the line is.
They should really make an exception, unless they'll allow you to travel through it even if you have a zone 2 only ticket, maybe? I can't see that happening but it would encourage more use.
Also, I didn't realise the haven't opened it at weekends or all the way down to Crystal Palace yet. :(
as it was good for affordable mortgages combined with easy commutes.
specifically to include Shoreditch High Street for the re-opening of the line.
followed by many thinly-veiled "I also live in London" posts.
Take that, Londoners! Don't go crying into your iPads.
is a place in London
today, it was pretty good. Would have taken maybe an hour or so usually, but only 15 minutes on the train.
There was a guy taking photos outside, and some people in the end of the carriage staring down the train, which was a bit disconcerting. The seats look like they're from the 70's.
I want to be the first to discard a half-finished bag of McDonalds on the train