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get in the game
...and cutting in and speaking over the indie lass wot looked like I imagine a DiSer to and is a member of a political party.
shouldn't be allowed to become teachers.
Carol Vorderman, the Conservative's maths advisor, got a third.
That's probably why she was relegated to putting big letters on a wall for 20 years instead of educating our nation's children.
Let that be a lesson to Britain's slackers.
she got a third in every year of her degree!
The only people from my physics course who went into teaching got thirds. Actually one may have got a II.2, but there you go. If you get a 1st of a II.1 you either go into a PhD or you get a job with a firm like PWC/Accenture/etc. Unless the Tories are planning on paying highly competitive wages for teaching and incidentally have a magic wand to stop so many companies from refusing to interview graduates with III, what are they planning to do with people who spend three/four years only to discover they're in the tail end of the bell-curve?
You're generally right though. Financial firms in London would rather recruit physics graduates than those with an economics degree.
because if it's a lucrative private school number it's not really mattering much...
She's just fucking annoying. Nothing pretty there at all.
every time it cuts to him I'm expecting a bronzed version of Michelangelo's David and his face never disappoints me.
talk about a misnomer..
I am heartbroken. Who knew Carol Vorderman was such a fucking loudmouth goon.
I have nothing, now.
Boris on the other hand, continues to exercise the paradoxical power of waffling sense. Long may he continue.
of most peoples views in that Jamie Bulger thread.
makes a nice change from the usual business, especially with Vorderman being especially daft and ranty beside him.
fuck the debate.
Welcome to London.
Can't happen again, surely?
Because the laws of contemporary politics means that the decision over two rival candidates is no longer about which set of policies you most approve of (due to the fact that if the policies aren't identical to begin with, it's a sure thing neither candidate will have the juice to follow through with them in any meaningful way, anyway), but about which candidate is less of a prick.
And Boris Johnson is far less of a prick than Ken Livingstone was. And he has the additional advantage of never having been a communist.
despite being an over-privileged bumbling figure of fun, is also an extremely intelligent and likeable individual
meanwhile, ken was a tiny red goblin
if you don't care about policies or anything like that.
Except for Stealthy whose politics exist in a grey undefined area I can't quite make sense of.
while retaining an aura of rightness, a la southpark.
Extremely? Really? Or just double-bluffing with his affable irreverence.
I don't doubt that he's a bit clever. But he's surely far from being a pre-eminent intellect of our times.
Will Self was magnificent as ever; I got chills when he said that thing about the Bulger guys not being "super evil".
That's a bit strong, isn't it?
and Self asked why and what could you possibly do with that information and the chap was dumbstruck.
so people like those who post here don't need to bother formulating their own opinions.
Like, intelligent and logical and generally correct about everything but then they become an MP and day by day their morals are slackened and their sense of righteousness is obstructed by blind loyalty to their party and in no time at all they're as slimy and dishonest as the rest of 'em.
Or is it just that most people that go into politics are all from the same awful mould and they're bad from the start? We never sit here praising politicians contributions on Question Time, it's always authors and that, what would it be like if people like Will Self were politicians?
I mean, there are definitely intelligent politicians, and there are definitely politicians who are capable of rational and sensible actions, and there are politicians who aren't in it simply for the power. The problem comes when you realise that the people who rise to the very top are those who have been in the politics game for the long haul, and even when highly qualified those qualifications often have no bearing on the actual capability of the politician. They view everything through the prism of the political career, and what will better the prospects for that career.
For example - David Cameron. He has a first from Oxford in Politics, Philosophy and Economics. He must have been one of those students who is very good at aiming for marks in his work rather than any kind of thinker who genuinely believes in what is being said. There's no way that somebody with genuine talent in those fields would be as clearly unprincipled - he must see them as something of a corollary to real life, rather like a hobby distinct from his 'real' responsibilities. Too much work getting up the ladder to be true to the theory and the righteousness.
That's just my theory about politicians in general, though. The power corrupts, the one thing it won't ever do is vote itself into irrelevance and powerlessness.
that the ones who get to the top fastest aren't necessarily the best or the brightest or the smartest but the ones who 'play the game' best.
thus the ones who often become the public face of the parties end up being the smarmy slimey greasy sleazeballs who give politicians a bad name.
I often praise LibDem representatives QT. Not always, but often. They often speak a lot of sense and come across as folk with properly thought out opinions with sensible reasoning.
I sometimes praise Lab/Con folk on QT. Not often, but sometimes. They frequently come across as slimy apologists who seem at ease with spouting rhetoric.
Basically, power corrupts the weak, or something.
I guess running a country while trying to keep as many people as happy as possible at the same time is probably pretty difficult. One's sexy ideals probably tend to get forgotten when it comes to the crunch.
So perhaps in the past weren't so motivated to climb the ladder.
it would have been tolerable if she was nervous and knew she didn't know what she was talking about, but she had this constant smug tone. just truly embarrassing.
...and the Daily Mail/Express articles copied and pasted on. STOP ME IF YOU CAN!
I don't think anyone noticed because no-one was still watching it by then though.
The ghastliness of Carol Vorderman - National icon turns to poor man's Sarah Palin
I have an embarrassing confession to make: I used to have a crush on the former Countdown co-presenter Carol Vorderman. Not any more.
Her performance last night on BBC1's Question Time was one of the worst by any panel member I have ever seen. It wasn't just the fact that she outed herself nakedly as a partisan Conservative, having gone down the "they are all as bad as each other" route. It wasn't just the ghastliness of her cliched, shrill, pub-boring, parochial approach.
It was, I'm afraid, her sheer stupidity. I thought this woman was hailed as our great national genius! Instead, she trotted out sluggish conventional wisdom at every turn. The key example was on the Jon Venables affair, on which she was the only panel member to insist that not only Jamie Bulger's parents have a "right" to know what Venables has done to go back into prison, but that the public does too. She could not answer why, and it became clear that her desire was based on a) ignorance, b) crude populism and c) nosiness. It was left to our own excellent Will Self bravely to argue that the child killers may not have been evil (I do not necessarily agree with that, but boy was it a courageous view to articulate in that Middle-England arena).
Carol, you were so lovely on Countdown. Please stay out of politics though. I know Sarah Palin, and you're no Sarah Palin.
- frustrating audience to hate
- boris johnson finally showing on a grand scale that he doesn't have a clue
- typical boring labour guy (extra humour - his name is Adonis)
- shirley williams being awesome
- will self being more than awesome (zapsta, you cunt)
- dimbleby taking the piss
I saw her do an episode of Tonight about the internet where she basically spent an hour saying the internet is run by paedos andthen rounded it off by pretty much calling a guy from ebay a Nazi
She basically advocated that children shouldn't be allowed to use the internet as it's full of pervs desperate to molest them
Then when a chap from ebay said they couldn't ban Nazi memorabilia from being put up but take it down once it's gone up because it's impossible to stop, she said he was complicit in the crimes the Nazis committed by allowing their propogation.
I really, really like Boris Johnson. Can't help it and wouldn't want to anyway.
No? I should bloody well hope so.
it's okay, i don't think you're gay, in any sense of the word.
Carol Vorderman really is as bad as you all said. She might be great with numbers but she can't read for shit.