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ridiculous, it really is
This is a shame, especially when the objectionable Chris Moyles continues to swallow up a sizeable portion of the licence fee.
there's a period of public consultation and then the BBC Trust have to OK it.
And probably wouldn't have had chance to do so.
Bands normally post about 4 of their songs on their page. You can listen for free.
And Spotify as well. So many chances. Anyway, the point was (more relevant to Antlers, apparently) that I was introduced to the sounds the band made through the medium of this particular radio stationfirst. Those were the last two albums I actually bought though so they were the first examples that leapt to mind.
There may be other examples, but I'm a man who can't even remember that Myspace exists so I'm not likely to have remembered any other names. Ooh, Broken Bells, that's one. Him off of Danger Mouse and that. I heard them on the the radio for the other day, I'll probably buy it.
Anyway, shut up. It's the radio station I listen to most and I don't want it to go anywhere. That's my point. I reserve the right to not argue it coherently.
I'm sure every license payer in the country would be delighted to know that their money has gone to some good use.
Forgive me for not giving a more considered response.
there'll be a public backlash and they'll reinstate it.
Also, didn't Absolute Radio pretty much say they'll take it on under the BBC banner with the same presenters if it shuts??
A lot of people on here like it and listen to it a lot but we're not really a cross section of society, most of who have probably never listened to it and don't really care.
and people who've listened to it once to complain, sign online petitions etc.
this is only a good thing if I'm right...
Most people can't get through the 60 channels of TV shit to get into the other freeview radio channels on their TV box...
me and my girlfriend forked out a good 80 quid around Christmas so that we had 1 DAB in the kitchen and 1 in the bedroom, and now they're planning on cutting the only digital station we ever listen to.
my DAB is on the way out. Might not bother replacing it.
Personally, the signal on DAB is so wonderfully crisp and clear I listen to FM stations on it.
BBC7 is also good, but it is irritating. I'd imagine a shake up of R1 and 2 will come as a result of 6 going.
and I only tend to listen to it occasionally, generally when the Archers comes on and Radio 4 becomes temporarily hateful.
or Woman's Hour
I'd say that's more reflective of how few people buy the papers these days.
By public backlash, you mean Facebook group.
Where it will gather dust.
Can't believe Anne Robinson gets £3million! Anne Robinson! Is the Weakest Link really worth £3 million?
who still watches The Weakest Link? I know the answer is 'morons' but when I'm flicking through the channels it is probably the last thing I would ever leave on.
£3 for Anne Robinson is probably peanuts compared to a series of Holby or some other drama.
But quiz shows are good fodder TV, entertaining for people who aren't really bothered about watching anything taxing (no different from the Neighbours thing, surely?) and people who turn on for them will then stick around to watch more costly shows after.
Something like that, anyway.
is my favourite programme. It's the only knowledge-based quiz show to survive the tide of 'opening-things'-based ones and the horrible rebirth of sub-Gladiators physical challenges.
and was quite surprised, even though he is good at his job. But Anne Robinsion, FFS!
Isn't it just a video camera feed from the House of Commons???!!
Must include the bar bill and fag machine costs....
(You know that the House of Commons is the only place in the country to have a room where you can smoke indoors, right?)
WHICH IS WHERE ALL THE MPS SHOULD BE COS THEY ARE CROOKS!!11!!! SATIRE.
if anyone wants to register a complaint or dismay or whatever about this, you can e-mail email@example.com
if it had happened before they got rid of George Lamb.
But now it's like they're shooting the spirit of indie right in it's duffel-coated face.
Radio 7 had more chance of being axed. Surely more people listen to 6 music then Radio 7's pooey comedy.
also 7 costs bugger all to run as it is all repeats anyway.
Still, it's pretty shit that 6 is closing.
yeah it's pretty shit. The only upside being, bye bye George Lamb. I'm going to miss Adam and Joe. :(
There are heaps of really interesting programmes that come on Radio 4 during the day that I would rather listen to between 6 and 7pm than YET MORE NEWS and some lame quiz/comedy they've stuck on because they have less decent ones for 6.30-7 than they have days of the week.
They could repeat those.
I hope you're not referring to 'I'm sorry I haven't a clue', that rulez theogb.
News Quiz and Just A Minute for me!
That newish one with 3 generations of comedians is awful.
hmm I think I'm confusing 'just a minute' with 'I'm sorry I haven't a clue'...
But they don't run those all year round. They have a lot of not that great ones. There's a literary one that runs at the moment mid-weekish and it's also the proving ground for some less than fantastic comedies. Between 9am and 10am there's generally some really good stuff on R4 but I can't really concentrate on that and work so I'd like to be able to just listen to it then. Yeah I could record it but I'm just saying, it would be good.
If you flick to BBC7 at that time now you generally get stuff like The Navy Lark and Round the Horne (which I like well enough but have heard over and over 20 years ago) or serialised books where you missed the first two parts and never hear the rest.
To be clear:
I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue
Just A Minute
The Now Show
Does Old Harry's Game still run? I always liked that too...
is that with Cannon and Ball? That one has to be the worst. There isn't a funny person on that show. They all cobble together average stories in the hope that they sound like jokes.
He was talking about it to one of the old presenters and said that George Lamb cost a hell of a lot of listeners and his style upset a contingent who didn't return.
Obviously that's not why it's closing but he did some significant damage.
It wasn't all great programming and it could be quite samey and elitist but the commitment to new and smaller bands was great. The BBC is in a bit of a no win. On the one hand their slated for being too commercial, but when they've got such a good niche offering such as 6 that a fair amount of people genuinely love they're closing it down because it's not popular enough.
I don't believe Absolut would make enough money out of carrying over the station. When XFM launched it tried to be less commercial than it is now but failed and closed most of it's regional offering. In Manchester for a few years there was the Revolution which tried tp support local and indie music, but it went to the dogs when Steve Penk bought it and turned it into Beige FM, like all the other commercial FM stations.
So now I've got to chuck out my DAB and get an internet radio and scour the radio stations just to get my fix.
Fuck, Marc Riley better get a job somewhere quickly.
The director general has said (rough quoting here, but not too far off) '6Music has a loyal and dedicated following, too small for its current cost. We could increase this two or three-fold, but the problem then is that it's in direct competition with commercial competitors'.
My question is simple: so what? Isn't Radio 1 in competition with Atlantic 252 or whatever, for example? Are they only allowed to compete with certain other stations? I DON'T GET IT.
notwithstanding the fact that no commercial station has ever played anything like early Kula Shaker b-sides, this idea that the bbc is not allowed to encroach on commercial media is baffling.
What about all the prime time bbc 1 stuff (ross and dancing and all that) Surely that's EXACTLY the same as what ITV try to do?
It does not make sense
There justification is so full of holes it could be a pair of my socks.
The budget for 6 is about £6m a year which seems like small beer really.
And then it would be competing against other commercial stations which would mean the gains in audience would only be theoretical.
Alternatively it may actually be that the BBC was only granted the right to create new music stations if they were shown to be hitting a niche market that wasn't impinging on commercial interests.
It was about only 20% of adults having heard of 6Music in the first place so doing an advert would help increase their numbers without changing the tunes, and Asian Network nicking listeners from existing Asian stations across the country, of which there are more than 10 available on the Digital network. I can't be bothered to type it all again.
The bastards are getting rid of the BBC asian network. Where am I going to get my next fix of brit-asian bhangra-garage?
P.S. I'll actually miss 6music, it was great to have on in the background, and Riley, round table and bob dylan are all really good.
that they know there'll be a bit of an outrage, and people will (hopefully) complain (properly, not just hash-tagging on Twitter and joining Facebook groups) and the BBC Trust will go "NO!" and then BBC Management can say to any supposedly incoming Tory Government "well look chaps, we tried to streamline etc but the people weren't really having it"
but I'd like to see DAB audience figures for all the other stations (excluding all analogue radios in cars houses and offices).
if that's possible.
When I worked in a 'cool' office we'd quite often do Listen Again on some of the weekend programmes like Stuart Maconie, and I know someone who had an office tradition of listening to Adam & Joe on a Monday morning at work.
first of all I don't think the musical output of 6music should be something that sits outside of the mainstream radio channels but then I'm not naive enough to imagine that R1 & R2 are going to be re-fitted with best bits ... the 6music output is just going to drop off the dial
which will have a BIG negative consequence for UK music
One thing that hasn't been highlighted is the fact that 6music's main listenership is 30-35 year-olds. 30-35 year-olds in the UK have young kids so by default there is a new generation being nurtured on independent music and a thoughtful approach to it with a sense of its history - or to put it more poignantly there is a refuge for these children away from Lady GaGa, Michael Jackson reissues & Ke$ha. Without getting into relative artistic merits it's simply valuable for there to be an alternative to the heavily-backed, lowest common denominator commercial pop that is thrust from every other media source.
So yeah, the output of 6music should NOT be on the fringes
but also it would be a travesty to jettison it altogether
and clearly the music they produced didn't suffer particularly.
and to a lesser extent Lamacq's Evening session
Marc & Lard to the list.
If they don't personally appeal to 30-35 year olds I'm not sure that means they're not as good as John Peel or the evening session.
I also think that while we lost those things we also gained the Internet and the ability to pretty much hear any band you like. Now people might hear a band and find 6 or 7 different ones following a Wikipedia trail.
I like listening to these particular presenters too. Also, radio is passive so you can get recommendations while doing something else whereas actively searching for new music is just that.
Your original point is that the music you like and value is the most important music and should be handed down to the mindless sheep of this country to force them to understand that point.
The shows you mention from Radio 1 still essentially happen on Radio 1. So you're talking about 6Music as if without it we're fucked. In fact we're not. The same sort of thing is still out there AND there are even more options online in the form of playlists and internet radio and blogs, stuff that wasn't there at all.
We had to hope the NME or MM would maybe tell us about something amazing...and then we had to hope we had a hope of getting hold of it on record, maybe.
read it again
You assume R1 or R2 won't be altered to take account of the loss of 6Music which is by no means certain.
"One thing that hasn't been highlighted is the fact that 6music's main listenership is 30-35 year-olds. 30-35 year-olds in the UK have young kids so by default there is a new generation being nurtured on independent music and a thoughtful approach to it with a sense of its history"
The problem is that you've made it sound like 6Music's demographic is ALL 30-35 year olds when in fact it's mainly 30-35 year olds who like the sort of music 6Music plays so their kids will already be exposed to that.
If you want a refuge for the KIDS then you need a radio station aimed at them, not at their dads. Kids don't automatically do what their parents do.
and allying that point with the 6music demographic and their offspring is simply a way of saying that the report is underestimating a second demographic and the growth potential of 6music
as mmnameisthor says it is not JUST about the actual music, it is also about the presenters and their style and affinity with the listener
your point about being able to use the internet to find bands these days is all very well but I feel I'm so much more enriched by having watched successive series of David Attenborough documentaries than clicking through links on wikipedia
for radio, DJs who give a fuck about what they;re playing etc etc
plus there was a LOT more alternative music on TV from the post-punk era up to the millenium and now there is a dearth of opportunity for anything that there isn't already a template for to appear somewhere that it hasn't specifically been searched for
all of which makes 6music more crucial than ever to the British cultural landscape - precisely what public service broadcasting ought to be for
Terry Wogan's new sunday programme on Radio 2. He does it live, in front of an studio audience, interviews and has bands on. Which is kinda sad for BBC's music output really.
I'm objecting to your portrayal of it as being necessary to change kids' outlook. The people listening to it if they have kids will already be playing that sort of music around the house, be influencing their kids in that way in any case.
The point about music television is a good one but has nothing to do with 6Music and actually as mediums go is completely differently pervasive of culture.
That said, when we did have a LOT more alternative music on terrestrial TV there was still actually FUCK ALL. The Chart Show, TOTP, TOTP2 (before it got shit), erm, a few others?
Right now C4's 4Music stuff is probably providing more new and interesting music in a month than 10 years of BBC scheduling ever did from 1980 to 1990.
are the key things I'm discussing
we had whistle test, snub tv, the tube, the white room, the word, the chart show, totp, totp2 also 120minutes & alternative nation etc
I'm am definitely NOT saying that people should be enjoying the music I enjoy
I definitely AM saying that diversity, alternative and choice allows people to find the music they enjoy and enables musicians to find an audience
and that these are precisely the values that pubic service broadcasting is supposed to uphold
And how many showed "heavily-backed, lowest common denominator commercial pop that is thrust from every other media source"?
Because this is really my point. 6Music is quite far outside that grouping and as such it's a reflection on our times but we did well coming up in that utterly pre-packaged world of music.
I was right and Arthur was wrong.
Or was it soley for BBC 6 Music? I'm going to miss his voice, it makes my insidey parts tingle
Rupert Murdoch [who is effectively dictating Tory Media policy because they need News International behind them in order to win the election] is the beast that grows by the feeding. There is no way to make him or other such cultural barbarians happy about the BBC continuing to exist. Why would any of the Tory shadow cabinet worry about access to the arts / accurate global news being provided to the many, when they, the select few from moneyed backgrounds, can always afford to attend / access the arts. The BBC is the strongest democratizing force in this country, in respect of information and the arts. A diminished BBC means less access for the many, to the detriment of quality of life in this country. Only the media barons and ever-burgeoning lumpenidiot benefit from this erroneous, cowardly and irresponsible decision.
By which I mean to say: this i a massive Fail.
it's symptomatic of the widespread failure of DAB. Analogue and it would be sorted
but I don't think I - or anybody else for that matter - could justify such a niche station being funded by the license fee.
See also: BBC 3, 4, and all the radio stations created for DAB.
It should be a case of rearranging the deck chairs as opposed to basic cuts. Relocate the funds currently supporting aforementioned channels / stations to news and current affairs.
Radio 1-5's listenership is massive and none of them are in direct competition with independent radio stations.
makes more sense
I'm unaware of any other nation-wide broadcasters providing a music, current affairs and (a bit of) social advice bundle to the 16-24 market.
is pretty unique, but music-wise they're totally competing with many mainstream radio stations (the whole Capital family especially)
they do operate commercial stations throughout most of the UK.
I'm out of date on this - it's now the Global Radio group (owns all the Heart, Gold and Galaxy stations)
that last sentence is contradicted by Radio 3, which has a fairly small listenership (considering that it's DAB and FM) and is in direct competition with classic fm. It could be said to be 'niche' but there is no way that it would be axed.
whereas Classic FM is actually somewhat more commercial (in the non-literal sense) and largely picks and chooses individual pieces broadcast with a DJ more in the style of Radio One/Two.
Well yes, but in broader terms they are in direct competition, despite technical differences.
or Radio One and Capital FM/Absolute (daytime). The only FM/AM station the BBC has that really doesn't seem to provide a hell of a lot that's similar to the commercial sector is Radio Four.
indeed...which makes this whole decision all the stranger.
are also very different. Just because they both have a lot of football chat doesn't mean they're the same.
Capital FM / Absolute are regional broadcasters. The only thing in competition with them is BBC Local Radio - which again is unique in that it provides extensive news and CAs on local issues, whereas indie locals tend to have 5 minute bullet-ins, half of which are dominated by stories about Cheryl Cole.
But yes, Five Live and Talk Sport aren't in direct competition - that's my exact point. While there's similarities between most of the BBC's output and the commercial sector, every station has it's own unique identity. Just Radio 4 moreso.
I've heard jazz and ancient blues on there. I wouldn't get that one Classic FM. Nor would I hear Lord of the Rings soundtracks on Radio 3. They aren't in direct competition.
until she wakes up and stops being a dozy 'un.
the BBC've published and opened up their public consultation. https://consultations.external.bbc.co.uk/departments/bbc/bbc-strategy-review/consultation/consult_view
If you feel strongly about 6 Music, the Asian Network or any of the other stuff proposed, then it's probably well worth taking some time to fill in.
and you're listening to the Significantly and Demonstrably More Distinctive show with me, Mark Thompson onnnn...."
You're a tough cookie.
In the last 30 days:
BBC 6 Music played 3,188 unique tracks --->Variety gauge 59% (The ratio of total tracks played to unique tracks (the closer to 100% the more variety))
NME Radio played 1,930 unique tracks --->Variety gauge 21%
XFM London played 550 unique tracks --->Variety gauge 6%
6music ain't perfect*, but I think there are limits to how diverse a radio station can be without becoming ResonanceFM, or whatever. 6music pushes those limits more than any 'comparable' commercial offering.
* © Everyone, MMX
this is quite a clever trick for testing the waters of pro-BBC public sentiment and stirring up anti-Tory/Murdoch feelings in general. Would still be crapish if they got rid of it though.
In reality I don't really have much sympathy or moral outrage because 6Music is a fucking boring station to listen to, and there are numerous other ways of finding out about & listening to music nowadays. If people are interested enough in discovering something 'other', or are dissatisfied with what is being offered to them, they will always seek out new things that will interest and stimulate them, and I don't see this as being any different. It could well be a positive thing.