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My girlfriend worked in his Studio at Givenchy in Paris when he was head designer and I met him a couple of times very briefly
I just told her, she's completely shocked
but the real shock is that someone SO at the top of their game and achieving everything (pretty much) that those in the industry dream of can just decide to pack it all in like that
apart from the girlfriend bit
very very sad to think of a man who seemingly has everything he could want can still be driven to take his own life
I know sod all about fashion but I always thought his stuff was precent decent, even to my untrained eye.
Did he tie-die?
One rule for everyone.
I didn't know McQueen, I have no emotional attachment and I have only a passing interest in fashion (clearly, from looking at me). On a social board where literally everything from pedofilia to rape, genocide and the haiti disaster are fair game, minutes after news is reported, does the choice of a designed to end his life change everything?
it wasn't even that good a pun, to be honest!
See PM by the way - I'm in proper aggro mode today. Apologies.
This is about the fact that we spend our whole life on here making innappropriate joke. What's one more?
this fella was creative.
If William Hague killed himself, I wouldn't be having this argument, because no one would give a fuck except georgierererere
I can imagine the original poster thinking there would be a definite DiS thread fodder article on the that site and then stumbling across this story and sobering up somewhat.
McQueen actually hanged himself
best just ignore
But everyone on this board chooses when things are funny and when they aren't, while on the other hand mocking what might offend others. It's bullshit to suddenly take a moral stance in the midst of that. Sorry.
maybe sometimes, you don't need to ? and no, not everyone on here spends all their time making inappropriate jokes so don't tar us all with your shitty brush thanks. cool. thanks.
But everyone makes them from time to time, and you'd better be calling out every single innappropriate joke you see if you're going down this route.
Otherwise you're just arguing because you're annoyed that I'm dead on. 'Thanks'.
theres a lot to be said for using humour to alleviate tragedy or even to put mawkishness into perspective
then again, if it's funny people laugh - if it's not funny people get insulted
I trolled a touch because people started applying logical rules to something that is basically 'bloke makes joke about dead bloke on internet forum'.
But you're right about the coffee, and it is making me more of a prick than usual.
suicide just isn't something to joke about.
I'm not saying too wrongs make a right. I'm saying if you took to task every single person who makes a bad pun a little harshly, you're never going to stop.
But I certainly didn't mean to cause offence. I had a friend who took their own life, so I'm aware that the wrong comment would touch my own nerves. But then again, without any emotional attachment or reason to have one, Alexander McQueen is a guy in a paper.
And what second paragraph was meant to say was 'I apologise.'
sad news indeed.
and for a few seconds i actually gave a shit.
*not the third brother
but now all I can think of is the bit in Father Ted where Dougal says "do you remember that man who was so good at fashion they had to shoot him?"
and if *i*'ve heard of him, I'm surprised so many other people haven't. shows how influential he was, i guess.
i think i had him confused with the guy who writes the #1 ladies detective agency books
mind you, i'm probably more spod than you
still, terribly sad when someone commits suicide. except maybe hitler
maybe we need a definitive "people called alexander" thread with their key attributes.
i wasn't always a spod. i used to occasionally buy The Face when I was in uni.
just never heard of him and seemed to be getting a massive reaction.
see above for what happens if you're not reverent.
It would be the end of both society and the internets as we know them.
I just can't be assed with the pompousness of attacking someone who literally just said 'who' and nothing else!!
especially when there's a link in the OP so he can find out exactly who the thread's about. i mean, i know the daily mail's a shite paper but it's not generally blocked at workplaces!
They know how to use Google. It was just an excuse to go "I don't know who he is so why should I give a fuck" in a thread where people are clearly shocked about someone they were a fan of.
In politics, technology and even food threads, people often say 'explain this to me' or 'quick summary please'.
People are understandably highly strung about it if they're fans - i get that.
But frothing at the mouth screaming YOU'RE SO INDIE at people because you've made a gigantic assumption about their motives for asking is just plain silly.
I clicked on the thread seeing a guy had died - skimmed through very quickly before I even saw there was a link at the top, saw a load of people expressing a lot of shock about the death of someone I hadn't heard of.
crazy wacky troll types posting unnecessary shite. But then, I'm not the Internet Overlord so let them get on with it I suppose. Just can't see the point personally.
He's right. How is this suddenly off-limits for a swift gag?
Say you think it's in bad taste, by all means, but by the same token, it's hardly getting all 4chan around here is it?
Yeah, I'd heard of 'im. Yeah it's a shame when folks take their own life.
Blah Blah. Starving children in Africa.... Don't be so precious. &c.
that wasnt even funny, now i just feel bad about myself.
I am going to hell for sure.....
There's just too much material to work with.
A man choosing the stage name Jay Reatard would probably ruddy well approve of that too.
Come on man: this isn't even an argument because we're both way off, and we should both bow out.
before, you have the right to joke about whatever you want, doesn't mean I have to like it..
You have pretty much said this is the Xylopwn Show though so yeah, this discussion is pointless.
Even at school we didn't roll out a 'obviously this is your show' argument. You're 33?
YOU get indignant about something, get argued with, decide to go with 'that guys a troll' (which I didn't comment on), and when your argument starts looking as flawed as my own - which at least have the balls to admit - you end on that?
I utterly respect your opinion, but that was a sign off that absolutely screams 'dickhead'.
stated "its just a massive xylopwn not letting it go thread."
I actually left it at that because I had a bus to catch, how schoolboy is that for ya ! You also stated somewhere above (can't be arsed to look) that you did a bit of trolling.. So all your own words, not mine. Now I have a child to put to bed and a risotto to cook so ta ta.
I don't know how you measure that on a scale - especially unless you're at a level of friendship enough to know their personal life - and at which point it becomes okay to ridicule their death.
Alastair Campbell? Which side of it is he on? How about Ike Turner. Matt Damon - he has come out about being aggrssive with his pregnant gf. Is that okay or not?
See you there.
If the internet doesn't collapse under the sheer net traffic-inducing web2.0-rreah of it all.
So it's odds-on that I'll probably show less restraint when that day comes.
Which is why I'm not gonna get all preachy here about a small quip that folks have chosen to jump on and turn into a big deal as if they're CLEARING UP THE INTERTRONZ.
Wonder if I can find a pub that'll offer free booze when Blair cops it?
that millions (where's your source?) of people will be quite pleased when she buggers off the mortal coil, whatever you think of that?
i used to think i'd be delighted because i hated her, but then i realised, well, it'll just be an old woman dying, won't it? and all that entails (except with probably lots of nauseatingly snivelling tributes from career politicians)
personally, i'm all for the jokes
Anschul has been the most level-headed about this out of the entire thread, and if I owe an apology to anyone, it's to him for posting what I did without scanning the thread for people who actually knew the guy.
Everyone else is just piling on the indignance for the left-wing-daily-mail-esque extravaganza.
after making it he should have retired to a safe distance and giggled, if you get arsey & try to justify yourself you have lost at the internet.
then you also have to defend the rights of those that want to call you a twat for doing so cos, y'know, everything is fair game. Unless of course you have double standards, but I don't imagine anyone does
* not using 'you' to mean you yourself - 'you' as in 'you, the people'
on every *single* argument up there excepting the one with ronco.
"I may not agree with what you say, sir
but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
(I'm taking your word for it, to be honest)
It's just a massive 'xylopwn not letting this go' thread about half way in.
Apparently his mother past away last week too...
it was clear from his twitter he was not in a good way about it
not helped by a laughable, yet predictable "look at me!" campaign by a few sad individuals on here.
Let's Look at your blog @ http://hotrant.blogspot.com/
Monday, 14 December 2009:
"10 Bad Things About The Noughties
#6. Being Patriotic About Soldiers – At the turn of the decade, the dominant opinion with regards to Britain’s foreign activities is “it doesn’t matter if we should be there or not, what matters is that we give the troops out full support”. Actually, it really does matter; it matters an awful lot to the people in the country. If I came home to find soldiers firing guns at my dad and detonating my grandmother, I would probably want a good explanation. And why oh why must I give support to the army exactly? I care so little about it, and anyway it was their choice to take a job shooting at people."
"We are Hot Rant. We are Fred, Tom and Ashley. We write about things we hate. We write about things we don’t really like. We laugh at those unfortunates who lose the plot themselves. When we have nothing else to say, we post links of things we find funny or suitably furious. You can too. Please submit 500 word (max) contributions to firstname.lastname@example.org for consideration. You can follow us on http://www.twitter.com/hotrant"
^Ah. Misunderstood ya. I R fool.
That's going to be a hell of a bill from the glazier.
"We laugh at those unfortunates who lose the plot themselves."
"I care so little about it, and anyway it was their choice to take a job shooting at people."
Now I don't necessarily agree or disagree with those quotes, but you might want to;
a) Think about what you're putting your name to.
b) Introduce a little consistency to it.
Please enlighten me. A coherent argument would be nice.
There's something tres amusant about trawling through someone's profile to find an old blog and blockquoting, free of context, someone's written opinion on the representation of soldiers in the media to bolster your defense of some fool cracking awful and tasteless jokes in the direct aftermath of someone's tragic suicide - something that we never really were into when we were blogging.
Yet I must say, its not so much the tasteless jokes that irk; as others have pointed out, it is indeed the "look at me" nature of the trolling - making it about ME AND MY RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH when it just isn't.
Oh well, that's the internet I guess. Never mind...
when you had a blog setup to do just that, with no obvious other reason for its existence.
Also, your comments about soldiers are deliberately inflammatory, because you want the world to know what you think, when they never asked in the first place.
Also, if you read the arguments properly, you'd see that apart from a SMALL amount of sniping, there's a lot of reasoned debate up there, and a lot of compromises and ground given up. It's called mature debate on the whole, apart from the odd flare up which happens when things are fragile.
But I'd much rather let it stand on a 'get fucked'.
and a lively forum-based discussion in an emotive climate, I didn't write the piece on soldiers.
But, yeah fair, enough, you can get fucked too, you royal cunt. Much better to leave it on that kind of note!
see? Air cleared. Also 'royal cunt' is something I'll be using from now on.
Seriously though: this whole thing spread from a crap pun into armageddon, mainly because of my unwillingness to back down. But it's all good now.
Did you hear that David Beckham did the funeral arrangements for Alan Ball's funeral?
He's a dead-ball specialist.
OH MY GOD IM A HYPOCRITE
Old? Really? Dec '09?
A self-defined and self-justified remit that says "We laugh at those unfortunates who lose the plot themselves."
Bless. I think he's confusing anger with incisiveness and biting social commentary.
I think we're seeing the effects coming through now.
please stop pointing out the holes in other people's positions.
but I think I didn't know Jeremy Beadle had died. And now I do. So I'm mourning for that first.
DiS imitating life, life imitating art, both ultimately disappointing.
because it looks like i just told royter to get fucked!
im here with my girl annie tinkerbell wishing kerry the slag ,happy birthday in NY ,your 40 now girl time to slow it down we think.
of course Gucci will take over (they own 51%) but it will never be the same. Never before has a man been able to find such a perfect balance between avant-garde and truly beautiful wearable designs, he was a genius and it will be along time before anyone will come close to filling the gap he has left in fashion.
saddest photograph ever.
reading all the above. I know fuck all about fashion but he should be remembered for this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/Bjork_-_Homogenic_album_cover.jpg
I ARE IN MOURNING COS I KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT FASHION AND AM THEREFORE A NATTY DRESSER AND WOULDN'T MIND BEING DRAGGED AROUND THE SHOPS WITH YOU
Tailor the joke to the audience.