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It's... it's just a really big iphone. Maaaassive border (bezel?). Doesn't have flash. And for that reason ahm oot.
the apple fanboys will buy them up quick sharp.
'modern', and 'trendy'.
at least this is big enough to wipe your arse with.
So far it sounds like its just a big iPhone. No mention as to wether it can be used as a reading device (like the kindle) yet.
it's shiney and it has an apple on.
Well, that completely destroys the excited blog post for work i put up yesterday getting stoked about what you could do with it
The screen will hurt your eyes after a while. Get a proper e-reader.
or a book.
personally I think it's a bit of a let down though it dies look how computers OUGHT to look (more or less) it really doesn't do all the things they should be able to in 2010
it is just as restricted as the iphone. There's no flash, so you can't play movie clips etc. You have to use the one app store as well. It is, literally, just a big iphone - and therefore completely useless!
Likely to mention a new iPhone, released around May just in time for my upgrade?
will wait for the next gen though
It's a lot cheaper that I thought it would be: $499?
i've read all the twitters and blogs and i still don't know what it actually does
a big screen that you can read books on.
really crap. an iphone with a bigger screen but no phone. brilliant.
without any of the advantages that TV offers over books. I'll wait for the film.
... basically what an iphone does but without the phone features obviously. Obv the size means it will do everything better/easier in regards to browsing the internet, watching movies etc but thats about it...
Though I'm not sure really...
Apple love fucking early adopters hard in the arse.
Don't really get why it doesn't come as standard. Even my shity mobile has 3G and I got it free on the cheapest pay-monthly deal I could find.
but it's not got particularly wide penetration (heh) thanks to the size of the place.
its pretty weak. it doesn't do A THING better than my iphone at all. nothing. i want a new iPhone.
also, the 2 minute clip of the "press conference" on the bbc site looks like a terrifying backrubbing scientology meeting
But I would bet that when we look back, this thing will represent the first and most significant move towards interactive displays as the primary way that we interact with computers. They want this to be the thing that you always take with you: checking emails in the morning, browsing the internet in a coffee shop, reading the paper on the way to work, watching eastenders in bed. I think it's missing a massive trick by not having multitouch, but let's see in the next hardware version.
Above all else it looks like the things they use to read books in Star Trek. This is what will riker would use to read lady chatterly's lover. that is where he learned his moves. if will riker wanted to have sex with ANY one of you, then have no doubt: he could do it
Just accept that, put your hair shirt on and move along.
but it doesnt have multitasing
Dude was pinching and expanding. That's a pretty big plus for me actually; I want something for navigating pdf files..
who's first on your list?
...like, when would you use it?
or cross your legs to point it up? and what about watching a movie, do you have to put it up against a wall?
this is a chiropractor's nightmare.
Is it this just a phone for giants?
What the fuck is it?
What's the point?
Is it instead of a laptop?
It doesn't have any way of putting a sim card in, so a pretty rubbish phone.
Not sure it has a microphone, though, but I'd guess you can get a handsfree that connects if you wanted to make calls with it. Lack of camera for Skype seems a major downfall for me.
Can't see much of market for it though.
Nice and shiny though!
I think the 3G version would have a big market for business people particularly. You already get a load of WWAN netbook machines that do this so it's not an unknown concept at all.
giants like the new giant phone for giants
sorry if these are silly questions, but i couldn't find the answers.
but yeah, overall a bit disappointed but i agree wholeheartedly with jonny_rat's post up there about it being a landmark piece of technology that will ultimately herald a new dawn of blablabla.
Please explain as if explaining to a utter bellend
is what it is
that are intended to make it a direct competitor to all these eReaders that have sprung up (Kindle etc).
It's a big iTouch with loads of battery life.
like a refined Archos type jobbie.
"running an iPhone-style user interface, it's optimised for media consumption rather than creation"
It can't sensibly go head to head with actual netbooks/laptops/PCs cos the operating system ain't really up to it, AFAI can tell.
You might as well get a tablet PC if you want a media player you can eat your tea off.
to be an iPhone/eReader/tablet hybrid that would utterly dominate the mobile/personal "computing" (i.e. browsing, e-communicating, media playback-ing) market.
It is actually, at this point, a big fucking disappointment.
No flash? WTF?!
You're right. It's definitely one for the consumers (receivers of playback), rather than any creators (anyone wanting to have any input in any serious way). But it's technically unimpressive compared to what could be achieved.
Seems like it's more of an exercise in bringing something out that "will do" for $499 so that the Kindle doesn't get too much of the limelight.
I'd never buy an Apple for proprietary issues and other sundry software lockdown reasons, but of all their products, I'd probably be most persuaded by the MacBook Air. It manages to do something that hasn't really been bettered yet - squeezes a useful PC with a decent size screen into a wafffferthin slice.
Fair play to the iPhone - it's raised the consciousness of "the internet in your phone". Not that it really manages to do anything that a whole bunch of other phones can do.
But the iPad seems to be a straight up gadget. Nothing's really being achieved. No key problems are being solved. Unless there's an untapped market in folk who want to watch films on the train and don't want to use a netbook/laptop.
The form factor is kinda plausibly useful, but the tech isn't nearly revolutionary enough. Especially being hamstrung by the iPhone OS.
Unless the plan is that you dock it and it becomes like a mobile laptop monitor with built in rudimentary touch input interface. And then when at home, you can use it as a monitor in conjunction with a proper keyboard etc. But it's not really beefy enough tech-wise to be up to that job.
Bit of a FrankenPod, I reckon.
"Apple has sold 41m handsets in three years, the same number Nokia sells in a month".
Price and network exclusivity are two that come to mind.
also comes to mind
all these things are true.
Just thought it was worth remembering that the iPhone ain't the bee-all and end-all that the current media frenzy would have us believe.
Eg: Dell will probably sell X times as many netbooks as Apple will iPads. And yet the iPad has clogged up the intertrons with gawd knows how many column inches.
Not really a comment on the products themselves (or their relative merits), just on the strange rabid reporting that accompanies Apple product launches.
the whole "game changing" line.
The truth is that Apple are never the first to come up with the gadgets, etc. that they do, nor do they necessarily produce the "best" gadgets (as defined by different, targeted criteria: e.g. tech specs).
What they do is link existing but often separate practices, technologies, etc. in a way that captures people's imaginations (usually on the basis a carefully construction and implemented marketing campaign).
Oh, and they make beautiful looking objects.
"Want it!" minimalist product design and the internet's blurring or platform constraints has minimised that to a degree, but at the end of the day, with Apple, you are (and always have been) entering into a contract with Apple that you're gonna pay top dollar and play by their rules in exchange for sheer slickness, reliability and trustworthiness etc compared to the options. Except, if we're honest, Microsoft's undeniably versatile and ubiquitous OS is pretty solid these days. Can't remember the last time my 'puter crashed. Yet as soon as I engage in buying something with a gift card from iTunes, all options are suddenly restricted. Everything seemed to be so doubley hard to achieve.
And then there are all the folk who have to refer to their Apple kit by brand name. A device that was once referred to as a mobile is now resolutely their iPhone and their laptop is their MacBook.
It really went into overdrive with all the pointless "sent from my iPhone" nonsense in facebook, but this might be the moment that the Emperors New Clothes schtick really stops working.
i very, very rarely have trouble working cross-platform between my apple laptop and my work computer
Does it have Flash?
Monumental fuck up
takes Apple's control away. It might do at the first 'update' depending on how well flash starts to get into smartphones. At the moment it's going to end up on all of them except the iPhone - Apple'll crack eventually, but not until they have to.
- no multitasking
- no camera at all (front facing)
- iphone OS rather than OS x based. (i'll expand on that below)
- no real point if you've got either an iphone / macbook
the main problem is that apple have taken the iphone os and upscaled it which is wrong - it should be the max os x and scaled it down. they've went the wrong way. a mac os x version with the iphone behaviours would be MUCH better, as it is it's woefully under designed and powered at the moment.
also, no flash? fuck... that's bad
is that so many OS X apps would be completely unusable on a tablet, particularly one you're supposed to use your fingers with. The iPhone apps clearly aren't as functional, but all those that don't need phone functionalty'll work fine on it in principle at least, and most of the same design principles/building blocks apply.
To me it seemed silly to make a big iTouch.
My biggest problem with it is STILL that screen. Why can't they make it go to the edge? When I saw HP's Win 7 Slate that was the first thing I thought was shit about it, the big border around the edge and I expected Apple to sort that.
However, the way the apps work on the screen in the video is PURE SEX. And 10 hours of battery life with Wi-Fi on is fucking IMMENSE!
Still, the downside is there: $100 for an extra 16GB of storage? REALLY? Another $100 for an extra 32GB on top? Hence there's no USB slot or SD Card slot, but for me these are fantastically useful. If I've just taken a bunch of photos with my DSLR I can only view them on the iPad straight away if I turn on the camera's Bluetooth/Wi-Fi...which it doesn't have!
Unless, unless... there's some sneaky thing with the usb out the bottom?
It looks nice. It'll probably be too much money for what I'd want, though. :(
by not including a USB slot / SD Card. You can buy adaptors they've said, but c'mon...
How many professional photographers would snap one up to view their shots on?
They can't sell you the high-memory specced version if you could buy the low one and plug in your existing large storage USB sticks/SD Cards when you need them. :(
But is it really worth paying twice the price of a netbook for? Or more for what you rightly say is a crazy rip-off storage upgrade.
Battery wise, the sub-£240 Asus EeePC 1005HA claims an almost 10 hour battery life. Or for £20 more there's the very Apple-esque 1008HA.
Not having an SD or USB slot is surely verging on insane.
As has been said elsewhere on the intertrons: "Why should I have an iPhone in my pocket, and both an iPad and MacBook (or whatever) in my backpack? If I have a laptop/netbook and an iPhone, then I don’t need an iPad."
The iPad is hamstrung to the point where it really doesn't expand enough on what the iPod Touch does.
Functionally it *should* be way ahead of the iPod Touch - see the better demos yesterday... a spreadsheet on a phone just isn't usable, no matter what you do with it, and that MLB interface is a thing of beauty.
Whether it actually turns out better or not depends on developers ingenuity though - if everyone's lazy and just does a direct port of their iPhone apps rather than thinking hard about how to actually make use of the extra screen space it really won't be worth using for much at all.
Seems to me like it's geared to be pretty much an entertainment device though - the iLife stuff looks ok, but I can imagine productivity applications on a touchscreen being a nightmare for any length of time.
The netbook is a quick laptop for me. Easy to take around but at the same time it doesn't fulfill all requirements (lack of Firewire on these devices is a big minus for music/video editing).
Pricewise we're probably looking (if Crablin's right) at about £329 for the 16GB version. Now that compares favourably with Sony's W11 netbook. Crablin also assures me I could run a webserver on it and do web development so if I were choosing between these two there are arguments for each.
My netbook gets a lot of 'sofa' time and actually a fair bit of time in the kitchen if I'm googling for recipes. The iPad is presumably a lot better on battery life if it's in ebook mode and when I use ebooks they're always O'Reilly PDFs or similar which is really what you want this sort of thing for.
As Phil says, let's wait a generation or two, but it's a lot more useful than initial looks might suggest. Maybe. :D
It's based on a mobile phone style ARM chip isn't it? As I understand it (but I could be barking up the wrong tree here), that means it can sit idle in ways that normal intel chips can't, so that'll help. Not sure how the eBook mode will manage to get around the fact that it's not an ePaper/eInk screen though. Isn't it the backlight that's the killer?
Defo agree that it'll inevitably be refined before very long. First wish (visually) is to increase the screen size or get rid of the wide bezel surround.
I'm not averse to the concept, just not convinced that it'll be able to do what you'd expect of a device like this without stuff like SD slots, Flash, and the other stuff I've mentioned etc.
Around half of my phone's power usage tends to be the screen - and that's normally off. They're a huge drain. Chips in general are far better in terms of draining power (Intel have the Atom for mobile applications), but the x86 architecture is particularly bad for it.
Apple've designed their own chip for the iPad though, which according to a third party is more efficient than even ARM's offerings. I doubt when it comes down to it that anyone's likely to get to Apple's claimed 10 hours of battery life - no-one usually gets near what Steve Jobs claims at product launches.
none of my gadgets have ever got as much as 75% of the claimed life.
MBP was the worst with barely 3 and a half hours of the promised 6.
eReaders* like the Kindle have battery life of days not hours, they're lighter, and they have screens that help reduce eye strain.
*Should you be into that kinda thing. I'm yet to be swayed (more by the software costs and distribution back-end than the tech itself).
There seems to be so much lacking. For me, it's not anything I'd contemplate buying, so I'm probably the wrong demographic - I'm still one of those amish types who thinks having a phone connected to an mp3 player connected to your email is a little unnecessary....
And actually, the fact that i can't multitask between apps is infuriating, espcially for the likes of iWork.
but if you're looking for something to do your work/creative on, the iPad is going to disappoint in any case. It's clearly designed with media playback, e-comms, and social networking in mind. The point is precisely for it NOT to run your work apps.
The major fuck up on Apple's part here is to believe that people still dedicate all their attention to one media source at a time. Or at least that's what appears to be the case given the lack of multi-tasking.
^ that's what I'd been hoping could happen for music, but the processor is nowhere near quick enough to make any of those things happen.
think it's a great idea and to be honest it's a market I never would have heard about otherwise. I think it will revolutionise universities and colleges as it has obvious appeal for taking down notes and then emailing them to your home computer or simply transferring them later as it's a lot smaller/easier to carry than a laptop.
2:2 at best.
Like getting journal articles/books or lecture notes and being able to edit and make notes on them as you're listening to someone explaining the concepts.
But I don't think they've thought that far ahead yet to be honest. Really think they should have launched it as an e-reader with bells on, rather than whatever the hell they're trying to market it as atm...
Here's the rub (as I see it) though: the problem with tablets so far hasn't been the tech so much as the interface. We (or rather manufacturers) haven't quite nailed how to cope with the issues of screen real-estate and navigation with touchscreens. The iphone (and this) sidestep that problem by making it single purpose; I imagine that at some point in the design process someone put their foot down and said 'no universal task/menu bar.' They don't want it to look or work like a laptop: the screen isn't big enough to have you shuffling windows around, and the interface isn't advanced enough.
With that said, I'm not sure what people really want out of the multitasking aspect. The iphone allows you to listen to your music while you do other things, and this will too. But if the thing is fast enough to switch between apps (and, crucially, to remember your settings and workflow in each), what things do you actually want to do simultaneously?
like iTunes. Try it with Pandora/Spotify or similar, and you'll be disappointed though.
they roll out the multitasking aspect of the thing on an app-by-app basis, and make a nice fanfare out of it. (The next version of the firmware is rumoured to be a bit more lenient in this respect innit?) It's making the OS more complex in baby-steps only.
I don't know why I'm even thinking about all this. If it does come in at £350 or less I'll probably get one for reading pdfs (I desperately want something to read academic papers on)
it's something that's useful (similarly, try running a sync in the background and going off to do something else - you can't) and many smartphones do well these days. If the iPad's so much better than a typical smartphone it should be nailing that kind of functionality.
whilst Skypeing with someone else doing exactly the same thing.
listen to music and talk about listening to music
but scanning through this thread I think I agree with most
but here's my uninformed opinion:
it's basically a pointless piece of kit.
Yup it is a big iphone (really no flash????) but it has some really cool hardware under the cover but that's never been apple's problem:
The Iphone technically is brilliant and can actually be used as a fully fledged computer but apple's crippling of bluetooth, wifi and filesystem access has rendered all the technology redundant.
They will also do this with the ipad.
The size makes it impractical to take on the road but why would you want to watch a movie while holding this in your lap for 3 hours when the type of rich twat that buys this will obviously have a 50" plasma or some shit.
It's not compatible with cocoa apps which is bullshit and an example of apple crippling its own hardware so you buy another one of their products.
3G for at a $200 premium?? wtf? I mean seriously wtf????
Who the fuck will be using a an ipad using a 3g connection???
It's too big to take with you as I've mentioned above and all of the hyped features require a wifi connection.
given that Apple left out Flash technology
Adobe will be looking to dominate the epublishing possibilities that increased interest via popular uptake of the iNapkin will generate. Works twofold — dominate one market, while using that power to force their Apple's hand re. Flash.
quite a lot of content on there already doesn't
Are you sure it's the iPad? I can't really see if there's the home button on it.
Presumably this will run on the iPad if it runs the Adobe AIR thing or whatever that's running on.
I dunno. You get the idea though?
It's bigger than I thought it was, then.
The first guy in that video looks like that Welsh comedian who's sort of like Steve Coogan. I can't remember his name, though.
Anyway, I found it hard to take the guy seriously.