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is honey actually good for you? it seems too sweet to actually be healthy.
you don't want just anyone calling you honey
will you stop eating it?
I'm gonna go home and eat a jar of honey.
i just remember being told honey was good when i didn't like it. now that i'm starting to like it, is it bad?
i'm only just getting a sweet tooth
mind you, seeing as i'm rediscovering it via the honey & muesli greek yoghurt the canteen at work sells
Straight red, three match ban, no right of appeal.
Cover your dog/baby in it today and reduce the transmission of household germs.
interesting to know, but doesn't get me any Closer To The Truth
Eat loads of it = probably a bad thing
It's still loaded with sugar, even if it is natural. That's my utterly uninformed verdict.
it's a bit like fruit juice, insofar as fruit juice is good for you, but it's still full of sugar?
At the very least it'll rot your teeth.
Honey is the only natural food product that cannot be classified as either animal or plant... supposedly.
it's not made up of bits of plants.
Our little bee friends are processing plants and turing them into honey but without consuming them (or something). Nobody else is in that game.
maybe on an even page...
A vegan guy i met told me it was wrong to eat honey because you're depriving the bees of their food. By way of a response, I rubbed a 12oz gammon in his face.
But like everything, WILL KILL YOU if eaten to excess.
i'm going to blame you, DiS
so it must be good for you
A great care and concern of bees is making honey and wax, but even greater is storing it, whence Virgil rightly calls them frugal. They do not feast like flies, but are considered very clean, for no bee lights in filthy places or those which smell bad. The natural food for the bee is the rose, thyme, bee-balm, poppy, bean-blossom, the lentil, the pea, basil, and clover, for which they gather their morning dew, from which they make honey, from which they make wax.
The best honey making is what is made from thyme, and on this account Sicilian and Attic honey bear the palm because of the abundance of sweetness and thyme. Certain authors write about Pontic and Spanish honey in which there is the force of poison, but it is pointless to discuss this when we are seeking what creates pleasure. Honey is the only substance which spits its dregs out on top; the heavier it is the better. Honey is praised differently from wine; the latter is valued because it is old and moist, the former because it is fresh and warm.
Charles Butler in the History of Bees, 1623: "Hoonni cleareth all the obstructions of the body, lossenth the belly, purgeth the foulness of the body and provoketh urine. It cutteth and casteth up Flegmatic matter and therefore sharpneth the stomachs of them, which by reason thereof have little appetite; it purgeth those things which hurt the clearness of the eyes and nourisheth very much. It breedeth good blood it sturreth up and preserveth natural heat and prolongeth old age; physicians do temper therewith such medicines as they mean keep long; yea the bodys of the dead, being enbalmed with Hoonni, have been thereby preserved from putrefaction. It is drunk against the biting of a Serpent or mad Dog and it is good for them, which have eaten mushrooms or drunk Poppy; against which evil Rosed-hoonni is taken warm. It is also good for falling sickness and better than wine because it can-not arise to the head as wine doeth. Hoonni is most fit for old men, women and children, for such as rheumatic and flegmatic and generally for all that are of cold temperature. To young men and that of a hot constitution is not so good because it easily turned into kholer."
Cooked honey is considered better than raw, for it does not bloat one so much or increase pains on the midriff or bile. Summer honey is better than autumn, for it agrees with bodies which are cold and damp, heals many ills, does not allow bodies to decay, is considered best in preserving apples, gourds, citron and nuts, and creates mouth-watering appeal in many foods.
For centuries, German women concocted a remedy called Salvemet, of honey and crushed bees, which was taken on St. Catherine's Day. It was thought to have a beautifying and strengthening effect and to regulate the menstrual cycle. There is much evidence, in folklore and art, of medieval rural peoples' belief in the thaumatugical properties of honey and bees. In the Journal of American folklore, there is an illustrative tale of Mr. Mark Flaherty who after hearing voices and seeing a man crawl towards him, saw his hair turn grey overnight. Mark Flaherty became an emaciated insomniac. On the advice of a beggar, he rubbed his entire body with honey and his hair went dark again and he fully recovered. It is believed that in taking pollen from flowers, bees suck the strength from them, which acts as a magical remedy when mixed with their own honey. Mark Flaherty never heard the voices again.
Dangers: causes thirst and undergoes changes
Neutralisation of the Dangers: With sour apples.
from the honeybee's perspective (of which there are five, none of which include the colour red) the city is the best place to source a diverse range of pollen. Great news for honeylovers: this orgiastic recipe produces award-winning honey such as Greater London honey, which won first prize in the Open International Category at the 2003 National Honey Show. Urban honey also retains the well-known medicinal properties that commercial non-organic honey production often relinquishes.
The body of Alexander the Great was placed in white honey in a golden coffin. Agessilaus, king of Sparta was transported home when he died in Libya in 360BC (before the invention of plastination) We can understand why, as the only truly preservable food, honey would be an appropriate liquid in the hot climates of Libya and Babylon, to keep human remains fresh on the way to wherver they were going.
But then there is the funny case of the first four Earls of Southampton, the Wriothesleys. The bodies of the Earls were interred in four sealed lead coffins in a vault in the parish church of St. Peter in Titchfield, Hampshire.
Word on the street was that they were full of honey. So when subsidence damaged one coffin about a hundred years ago, causing a liquid to trickle out at the seam, the workman repairing the church seized the oppertunity to prove the legend. He ran his finger along, then had a taste to confirm it was indeed honey.
Humans have manipulated bees for our own purposes for as long as we've been able to. I can accept this; I'm not a vegan. But some of the practices involved in commercial beekeeping are both cruel and damaging to the bee population as a whole. For example, queens are killed aged six months, new ones mass-produced. Virgin queens are artificially inseminated with sperm from crushed males. The queen often has her wings clipped off to prevent swarming (the means by which a colony naturally reproduces itself).
Sometimes, the whole colony is killed off to save feeding them over winter. If they are kept in winter, they are fed on sugar syrup (the vegan equivalent of honey). As well as being cruel, many of the practises of commercial beekeepers are to the detriment of the entire bee population and other wildlife. When big bee business comes to town, letting loose its colonies to pollinate, other insects and wild bees are swamped by the sheer number: think UEFA Cup Final 2008. It's these intensive farming techniques that seem to correlate with disease and parasites.
I hope this doesn't sound didactic
These words of the eighteenth century apiarist John Keys (for whom there’ll be no Christmas...) are, of course, referring to bees. Keys wrote this at the epoch of the industrial age, but since antiquity (Virgil was the go-to-guy for bee stuff), bees have been considered the very model of Stakhanovism. Through their apparently ceaseless and insatiable need to work, bees have been living up to their ‘workaholic’ reputation for centuries – putting to shame lots of wannabe hard-workers, like the President of France. It is only in the last few weeks of her life that the average worker bee goes into honey production, which she does by flapping her wings to evaporate nectar. Before this time, she carries out other tasks such as constructing honeycomb and guarding the entrance to the hive. In her lifetime, the average bee will produce the equivalent of just one teaspoon of honey – the amount I eat every day! Bees don’t even get to enjoy the fruit of their labour, and choose to selflessly devote themselves to the production of something solely for others’ consumption. This self-disciplined selflessness is what underpins the work ethic of the colony and maintains their status as nature’s model worker. For a worker bee, work is the end not the means.
The other fruit of bees’ labour is their architecture. Honeycomb is one of nature’s most alluring, almost perfectly mathematical phenomena and the subject of much research into geometric efficiency. If you like to be puzzled: http://www.archimedes-lab.org/monthly_puzzles_72.html
Architects have been influenced throughout history by the work of bees. Notably, Gaudi felt an affinity to bees which was reflected in much of his own work. His trademark parabolic structures and organic and intricate geometry remind us of the bees he was also fascinated by. Bees even featured on the posters he made to promote the Catalan co-operative movement, which he strongly supported.
Of course, not all bees are such fine examples of industry. What Shakespeare referred to as “the lazy, yawning drone,” notoriously does almost no work other than his one sole purpose: inseminating the queen. As an unemployed person who hates being inactive, I feel some sympathy for the drone, who has received an unfair amount of criticism over the years. Anyway, without drones to inseminate the queen, there would be no colony.
It’s really no wonder that bees have become synonymous with modern industry and a motif for our own rich industrial heritage. Manchester, the first industrial city, is proudly adorned with bee lamp posts and beautiful bee mosaics in the Town Hall. Factories and mills have names like The Hive, Beehive Mill &c.
Manuka honey is meant to be the best:
Pretty pricey stuff though.
I've done it all my life.
It makes my peas taste funny.
But it keeps them on my knife.