'HEY...I DIDN'T DO THAT STUFF THAT NORMALLY HAPPENS AND STUFF HAPPENED AND I THOUGHTFELT THINGS THAT SHOULD MAKE YOU THINKFEELS A THING TOO, YEAH'
just fuck, fuck off you fucking numpty london bender. i hope she get salmonela off a moody tub of coleslaw, and then her boyfriend does the bunk because she's started to smell like steptoe...but before that he got her up the duff because she can't afford a rubber...so then she's playing her game, but now, with kid on the way, she straightens up and fly's back to a friend that can get her a job at the click of a mouse and her life turns back into a ghastly capitalist version of noel's house party but it's ok...like...because....like...she did that year?...and it like...changed the way she looked at stuff?...yeah...like...now she can't walk pst a bin bag without thinking...'hey..remember that thing that i did...'and she can keep telling the same stories about it in the same london hot spots with all her connected bumder london pals that tell her what a fucking hero she is and if only they had the time to do the same thing but work is really hyper right now and they're just borrowed the first wire boxset off rob from I.T......
what a wanker.
i've read worse
Never had to go more than two days without a wash! Smelly woman. Although I'm not a fan of a lot of this, I like the idea of freeganism.
wana save on money by getting your lamp from a skip?...cool. just stop telling us about it.
''Extracted from Free: Adventures on the Margins of a Wasteful Society by Katharine Hibbert, published by Ebury Press on 14 January at £11.99. To order a copy for £10.99 with free UK p&p go to guardian.co.uk/bookshop or call 0330 333 6846''
i think i'll wait till i find a copy in a bin
ie. yeah get free or cheap furniture who cares but buy your god dam food fool
and don't really get why people are being hostile towards the article, but that's kind of typical for people on this forum anyway, I guess.
She didn't have any need to write the article, and you don't have any need to read or react to it, it's just someone reporting on something pretty fascinating and out of the ordinary she's doing for herself. I think it's pretty cool.
that said, i don't think this one is as smug as they usually are
I can see how it can be seen as so, the idea of a fairly safe middle class girl abandoning 'the system' and doing that to herself on purpose when there are people who don't want to live like that but are forced to. However, it's her call, and I respect her more for living the way she does now than just plodding along in a life that was pretty much set out for her already and thinking for herself a bit.
so it's like, does an article/book need to be written every time a middle-class person decides to go and abandon 'the system'? If she wants to do that stuff then well done her, but i already know that you can get free food in bins if you want and that lots of houses have nobody living in them.
and i haven't thought this point through very carefully and it's quite late so this might be a load of bullshit, but she's made out like it's dead easy being living on no money and squatting in abandoned houses and all that, and i don't know, it just seems like there are probably people in that situation not by choice who might have a different viewpoint, who maybe don't like having to get their dinner out of the bins behind Tesco.
she doesn't acknowledge the fact that for a lot of people, living from bins isn't a lifestyle choice made easier through contatcs and support networks and safety nets and not having any other mouths to feed....being completely objective and not just being boorish, i'll accept there could be interesting or valuable points to be raised from these situations...but she just skips past anything resembling one and twats on like someone giving a sermon about animal rights because they lived on veggie burgers for a week.
she briefly mentions that...''like...loads of houses are empty, right?....which is bad...because...loads need them, ok?...so...i dunno.....i'm not really sure what should be done....i mean...i haven't really got any suggestions or indepth arguments or even insight that couldn't be gleamed from walking through any town in britain....but.....y'know.....bad, yeah?''
''When it comes to freeganism, freegans seemingly know what to take and what not to take and develop a certain level of experience and knowhow''
sorry, but that sounds like cock dribble to me. everyone's nan has effectively been a freegan for years but they don't sit around wanking out manifesto's in north london hubs and writing articles about it....they just get on and live sensibly because it's common fucking sense. i got my telly of a friend for free....i got all my furniture off my family...i shop in charity shops and wear my clothes till you can see through them...i stick to the reduced section in sainsbury's, pretty much existed on the food that was getting thrown away from the garage when i worked there and rely on the library for constant music and literature sustenance...but that's probably all seen as small chips because i don't survive on an apple core a day or live in a 'diverse multi-media artistic community' in a vacated victorian terraced house with a knitted toilet and a plastation converted into a sandwhich toaster.... just get on with it without banging on like you've got something valuable or new or interesting to say you wet drippy hippy toss rags.
and it was almost 4.00 in the morning and i was bored and tired and decided that getting angry over a nothing article would be just the job.
and don't look into those pathetic examples i posted, i've had a perfectly comfortable middle-class upbringing just so you don't think i was trying to be worthy or anything.
to an extent. They don't live without money - they earn a living and pay rent. But they sustain their lives through using what other people have decided is worthless - getting food at new covent garden market, squatting when money is tight and generally reusing what they can, when they can. Moreover they aren't smug or preachy about it. I won't say they're intrinsically better people than anyone else, simply I think they have found a lifestyle that suits them, and enables them to take what they need from life and the world without excess. They enjoy their lives and are consequently pretty cheerful, fun people to be friends with.
I have no problem with the article, she writes like she was sincere about what she was doing and didn't float back into the same existence she had before once the experiment was over.
the difference between her and someone who has to do those things out of necessity is that she is doing it out of principle. It's up to you whether you agree with her principles or not, but I think she's got a fair point about disposable culture. i think it's less about freeganism - given the timing of the article - and more about making choices in life that satisfy you. I think she's very honest. She admits it was a frightening experience at first. Admittedly, she never HAD to do any of it, but she did put herself in a difficult situation - selling your flat,and only having £20 on your name doesn't make people feel that sure about bailing you out, no matter how rich they are. The only thing slightly off about it is that she has a book out about the experience - am wondering whether it was an experiment all along as she would have had to (possibly) pitch the book quite a few months ago for it to be out now.
What is true is that these networks (apart from the charities mentioned by her) are composed of people JUST LIKE HER for people JUST LIKE HER.
She starts of the piece describing her failure at the advisory centre but 'someone took pity on her' and introduced her to the 'network'- erm..most people would not have so effortlessly 'stumbled upon' these networks.
Is it a fucking coincidence that most squats in East London are made up of people EXACTLY LIKE HER while genuinely needy people are living in the streets?
definitely. i mean, only a really middle-class person would really rue having too much money to spend
but i think it's still an interesting choice to make - though having a safety net, friends and family that can provide emotional support, probably savings means that it probably wasn't as potentially dangerous as she makes out.
it's weird that the guardian doesn't highlight what you're saying. i guess the main thing that i would think, based on what you say, is whether the middle-class people that form these networks have any real interest in getting homeless people into this abandoned housing. i've never read any articles where there seems to be an actual exchange or any work going on to DIRECTLY address the problems they use to 'justify' squatting or freeganism
i do think it's an interesting thing to do though and not many people would do it (maybe because they couldn't afford to)
that's just the way people are brought up.
The problem that I have is with the frequently blabbed fiction that this is some life that you can 'choose' and people are there to help: They aren't there unless you are from her background in the first place.
It's interesting how she mentions the hundreds of people on housing waiting lists, yet fails to point out that most squatters in densely populated areas work in collusion with absentee landlords, so that councils can't forcibly takeover buildings and turn them into social housing.
Yeah, I agree with you - and trying to point these things out makes people look reactionary, which doesn't help anyone in the end. Maybe middle-class squatters at least highlight the problem of empty housing...but obviously articles like this don't suggest that it's in their interests to use their networks to really take any action. Its interesting that no-one really talks very seriously about homelessness any more, except at Christmas (cue hot girl in that Shelter ad on the Guardian home page).
I don't know - it does at least make some people aware that there is a problem of waste.
still love the guardian despite it though. g2 yesterday was worst ever, middle class lefty carbon footprint preachy bollocks
it still makes me angry that it exists.
and reading it, it just makes me want to go....''mum, dad....auntie jane....you guys were right...jeremy clarkson was right...nick griffin was right....the daily mail were right...this namby pamby bleeding heart liberalism DOES need to stop because it's ruining the country....i can't believe i doubted you guys....here...take all my billy bragg albums....i'm so sorry everyone...''
"Extracted from Free: Adventures on the Margins of a Wasteful Society by Katharine Hibbert, published by Ebury Press on 14 January at £11.99. To order a copy for £10.99 with free UK p&p go to guardian.co.uk/bookshop or call 0330 333 6846"
A little bit of clicking around has taught me that Ebury Press publish 'Virgin Books', who are set to release "Screw It, Let's Do It: Lessons in Life and Business by Richard Branson".
I wonder if Sir Richard shares this woman's concern over "huge supermarkets" or "the impact of flying".
If you're going to sell yourself as a hero of anti-capitalism (which in itself is pretty funny), it's a little bit hypocritical when you're sharing a publisher with one of the richest corporations on the planet.