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i'm thinking about getting a mac. should i? should i?
are they really that much more reliable than pcs?
they run more smoothly, they have a much more sensible UI, they are way more efficient, they keyboard is a joy to type on (especially when you first use it) and they are virtually impregnable to viruses.
also it spellchecks whenever you type, wherever you type. very useful. 'specially on forums like this.
i want something i use as regularly as a computer to be easy and fun to use. mac is good.
than is necessary.
A passion for Japanese food is an advantage, though not essential.
how dare you like something alex in ciderland doesn't like!
and will remain useable for more than three times as long.
but the real question is whether it's worth shelling out all the extra bunse for your own situation. If it's just to work on Word docs, browse the internet a bit and watch the odd DVD, then maybe you're better off paying for a reasonable PC and pocketing the several hundred pounds you save.
That said, I've always used Macs because of the type of work I do and haven't got a single complaint that springs to mind, so if you have the cash I'd probably take the plunge.
i know. i just want something that will last longer than a year, which doesn't take half an hour to start up and which won't get attacked by viruses.
but yes, so expensive!
The last one I bought was a refurbed MacBook Pro, which was £200 cheaper than the retail price.
There's a misconception that they're tarted-up second hand machines, but in most cases they haven't even been used - any Mac that gets taken out of the box can't be sold as 'new', so a lot of them are machines returned directly to the store.
The only obvious difference is that they arrive in a plain brown box, rather than the usual schmick Apple packaging. Other than that, you shouldn't be able to tell the difference and the warranty is the same as for a new one.
If it's just to work on Word docs, browse the internet, download mp3s, etc I'd recommend a Mac. It will let you do all those things without any problem and will never start fucking up for no reason. I'd say PCs are better for people who can be arsed with virus scanners and memory upgrades and stuff. If you just want a computer that will work forever then get a mac.
Oh, and refurbed Macs are excellent... my imac and my girlfriend's Mac Air are both refurbs and arrived as-new.
not really worth the extra money.
HAVING SAID THAT!
If you are a student the discount makes it very well worth it
dunno much about the refurbished ones but people say they work fine and are a few quid cheaper than new ones.
Which is better, then, in terms of computer?
Don't turn into a Mac snob.
but Mac snobs can seriously get tae fuck.
im sure everything everyone else is saying thats good about them is true but it will never make me get over the following 3 things!
1. you cant get that much pirate software for them so id end up spending loads on software! or just not have that much software
2. the same hardware spec mac costs alot more than a PC!
3. when people talk about reliability they are not talking about the hardware, they are talking about the lack of virus's written for mac and the 1 - 1 relationship of hardware and software that results in less bottlenecking over time. If you buy a pc you must re install everything 18 months! if you do that you wont notice the diff. Hardware wise I spent time abroad in a hot climate near the beech with 30 people who had an equal split of mac and pc wayyyyyyyyyyy more macs broke, mostly the screens on powerbooks and the insanely thin power chords being the big issues, however a couple of disks went too and when a mac crashes it dies.
anwyayyyssss theres my 2 cents.
1. absolute, total bullshit. you just have to look in different places than your fucking n00b torrent trackers. regardless, it's illegal anyway.
2. but the operating system that runs on top of them requires much less of your machine and you're buying a great deal more than just a spec when you buy a macintosh
3. i've had nine macs in the last six years and not one has developed a hardware fault. i'm sick of people saying "oh my mac broke" or "oh my ipod broke they're so shit" and you find out they chuck them around and don't look after them properly. it's a complex electronic device worth a good deal of money. treat it with fucking respect.
HAHAHAHAHAHA. total and utter FUD.
can you guess what I'm going to ask you, within the sort of context of this thread?
Much more £££
Much smaller range of software
I have no problems with the reliability of my Windows 7 PC. Just don't be a doofus and try to download lolfunnycat.jpg.exe or something.
the main advantage i find with them is that they function almost just as well a year later as from when you first purchased it, whereas with pc's you really do notice a difference in performance a year later, and not a good difference.
thanks for all the tips guys!
I mean, everything runs smoother, it's easier to clean all the crap off the machine, and it doesn't seem to suffer from the + 3 year slowdown which starts to afflict all windows OS based machines. This is purely based on personal experience. Oh, and there's lots of great freeware which is excellent.
...But they aren't all that durable I have to admit. Mine is one of a generation that has a recurring casing fault where it cracks- as I got a three year applecare plan it never costs me anything to get it repaired, but since I've had it, I've had the casing changed three times, the optical drive replaced once and the entire logic board replaced as the audio out stopped functioning and the only way to replace that is by changing the entire thing. I do use mine every day, and it's pretty much always in my bag, so maybe that explains it, but it hasn't been problem free.
That said, my sister has just got a new one from the new range and it seems a lot sturdier and better built.
And I'd still pay the extra if it was a choice between getting a pc or a mac and I could afford to - mine's running like it's new after about 3 years, and I can't see it dying for another 2-3 years.
and it's been brilliant. It runs really smoothly, has never crashed and starts up in about 30 seconds.
my opinion is that mac is a far better operating system for laptops whilst windows is better suited to desktop needs. I wouldn't say that windows 7 is less reliable than mac os x. In fact its probably more reliable. You still have hardware problems to worry about.
I've had some hardware issues with my mac (apple products tend to fuck up within days of the warranty expiring), but you'll probably have those regardless of whether you buy a mac or a pc. Unless you want to spend over the odds on a mac, the internals will be pretty bad.
Depends what you want it for though. There's nothing special about macs. You can probably do more with a pc. But they look nice and everything seems to work fine. I'm glad I got one for uni.
the casing has cracked on my macbook (which is a known problem and apparently they'll replace it for free). I don't think they're that well built since I've only had it since june 08.
the casing is pretty fucking shit. the charger is built horribly too. i still like it though, probably cos i don't really think about it that much and my macbook is easy to use and is fast.
which is both funny and annoying.
good for cold feet
I've had my current one for a year and the cracks have appeared in the same place twice. To be fair, the Apple store replaced the case free of charge both times in less than 24 hours, but it's still a fucking weak design flaw.
Maybe I'm just lucky.
Now I'm using my cheap piece of shit windows laptop.
I edge closer to Linux every day. As long as I can use WINE to run Photoshop and Lightroom I'll be happy.
what about file storage? i have stuff on an external hard drive for pc - will i be able to transfer this to a mac?
also will the stuff i put on a mac be easily transfered to a pc?
I'd clear off all your dodgy porn first, though. ;-)
but what about once i have everything on a mac - will i be able to transfer it back to pc again? or am i doomed to a lifetime of mac ownership?
It depends on how the drive's been formatted. OS X can read all Windows formatted drives. That's the simple bit.
Transferring back to a PC - only if the drive is formatted with the FAT32 filesystem (this is often the case for external HDs, USB sticks and the like, but sometimes NTFS is used instead).
i thought macs were supposed to make things easier??
Macs can read anything Windows writes.
Macs can also write to one type of Windows filesystem.
Windows can't read a Mac filesystem.
Windows can't write to a Mac filesystem.
I'd say there's a 95% chance it'll just work anyway. If it doesn't, then just copy everything off your HD temporarily and use OSX's disk utility to reformat it into something that both Windows and OSX can use properly.
but thanks for dumbing it down for me :)
i like the idea of getting a mac once to try it out but i can imagine switching back to pc a few years down the line.
the fact that it's tricky to transfer from mac to pc is a bit worrying
and get them back at the other end.
The filesystems might be different but files like PDFs, JPGs, DOC, etc. are still the same.
of a hassle though, innit?
For example it seems like when a Mac writes to a PC file system it writes a lot of extra 'hidden' files that the PC can see.
Also it doesn't seem to delete files even though it thinks it has. For example my mate could never delete any files off his Sony phones memory stick using his Mac. It told him he'd deleted them but if you put it into a PC they were all still there.
I didn't realise Windows machines couldn't read Mac filesystems...
Windows recognises the partition, but not what it is so doesn't mount it as a drive. There's probably drivers around that'll let you do it, but I've never felt the need to try.
The extra files are a slight irritation, but not a problem - they don't do anything bad.
Not deleting files is a bit odd - not something I've seen myself, although I won't doubt it's happened.
It was an old pre-Intel one.
ARGH FUCKING N00BS EVERYWHERE I'M LEAVING THIS THREAD.
I used my external hard disk with a PC laptop, and it moved over to my Mac without any problems. Though all I had on there was MP3s, so it's a shared format.
it bends both ways ;-)
in fact, the screens on macs can be a pile of arse and break A LOT if you know how to USE a pc and maintain it then I'd recommend saving the money, if you dont then go for the mac because its a great piece of kit for beginners or casual users.
And any screen breaks a LOT if you don't give it some fucking respect.
I've never heard of this hardware problem you're talking about. It's total FUD.
"go for the mac because its a great piece of kit for beginners or casual users." - I can code in four languages, script in two and markup in another two and i swear by macs, as do a massive percentage of IT professionals.
whilst i agree a well-maintained and looked after windows machine will stay reliable and usable, why bother fucking around with tweaks and conter-intuitive quirks when you can just USE a machine for what it's meant for?
I cant remember exactly which mac has had screen issues but they do exist and I did mention decent manufactures not any old one. I see macs having a purpose and they are good for casual users but the pc is still my preference but it's probably because I have grown up with them and know how to get the best out of it & as a result I'm always disappointed in macs for the price when I can get a far superior spec pc/laptop for the same price.
and you've totally ignored my point regarding casual users.
And people give me a hard time over my binary watch! ;-)
Although admittedly, I didn't know crablin could code until today.
They get full and slow down after a few years.
Better in practically every way though? Check.
So I decided to save a few more pennies (and managed to find someone that qualified for the super higher education discount) and plumped for a Macbook Pro with an aluminium casing.
I just want to echo many of the positive plaudits many folks have mentioned in the conversation above. It is an awesome piece of kit that keeps surprising, meaning I have no issues with mine.
I don't know what it's worth as I have never had to use it, but the Applecare system appears to be one of the better warranties for computer hardware out there. I have to deal with Dell's and HP's service at work and I just want to breakdown on occasions due to their apparent incompetence. I just cannot imagine ever receiving that sort of shoddy service from Apple. But maybe that is a direct quote from the Apple testament?
I see the Mac as for entertainment and the PC (at work) for work. Also Apple provide fantastic after service care. My Hard Drive went last December, my Macbook was 2 years out of warranty and in the Apple Store they fixed it on the spot for no charge. I was gobsmacked...
im using a pc now
its a hunk of lame.
the keyboard is clunky.
it takes a million yars to do anything.
and my forearms are getting sore, from rubbing against,
its poorly designed shell.
it came today. Because after another pc laptop which died after two years, I realised:
1. My pc laptops' batteries lasted about five minutes.
2. I got viruses quite a fucking lot.
3. Pc laptops' shells are often too flimsy.
These 3 things, I hope, won't happen with my new comp. I got the macbook with apple care for 3 years for £819, instead of the same spec macbook pro for £950. Having read the comments about macbook screens, maybe I should have shelled out the extra cash. I didn't think there would be much difference between the two. The macbooks are now unibodies as well, so maybe this means better build quality (and of the screen?) But I guess not.
HOWEVER (a BIG HOWEVER.) My macbook will not connect to the internet. Airport works and I can connect to my network, but it will not connect to the net. In system prefs it tells me that my it has a self assigned (169.etc) ip address and therefore can't access the net. I spoke to apple. The guy told me (having tried to access the net via the Mac OSX Snow Panther DVD) that my airport card is probably broken and that I will need to get it repaired at an apple store. On thursday I go abroad for 3 months. FUCK. So I am still using a sibling's comp.
My PC had some unidentifiable fault with the RAM/Harddrive, and it would surely have cost more than £200 to get it reapaired. It lived for 2 and a bit years.
Point against mac: as far as I have gathered from my new machine (I used to use macs before around 5 years ago) macs do not give use as many options/as much flexibility with what you may want to do with it. For example if you put an audio cd into a pc it will ask you what you would like to do. With a mac you are not asked each time you do something like this, but can select for the computer to either open itunes, or do nothing at all (as far as I can make out.)
I forgot how much different Mac and Windows op systems are.
Can any of you nerds/geniuses help me with my airport fuck up? I have got less than a week to fix this otherwise I won't have a computer when I go away.
(I realise my comment is quite loooong. Hope someone will read it and save my new sexy macbook!)
And if you are a student (or like me if you are no longer a student but still have a university email address) get the discount! That is literally all you need as proof of student status (just phone apple store and give them your .ac.uk address.) And the macstore guy (you get assigned one guy you can phone back) was very friendly and helpful.
If it's connecting and assigning an (incorrect) IP address, I'd have thought its how you're using it. If you click on the wireless icon at the top, then Open Network Prefs, you'll get the options up. Within that, you'll want the TCP/IP tab, and to make sure that on the drop down you've got DCHP selected if you're expecting your router to set everything up, or otherwise to choose "manually" and to choose your own IP address.
Sounds like something strange to be happening regardless of whether it's a PC or a Mac.
i've grown up with PCs and personally, I think they're a lot better in general. I hate mac software and personally, I find them a little restrictive. I hate the way everything seems to end up on my desktop as well. These are just little niggles, but it's enough to turn me off completely.
HOWEVER, I would never dream of getting a windows laptop as they are nearly always badly designed and clunky. My macbook has been a lifesaver at uni and is perfect for all the simple stuff.
I hate all this 'mac vs pc' shite. My lecturer thinks Steve Jobs is god and i just want to punch him in the face whenever he starts. and if anyone disagrees with him they're being 'contrary'! PFFT. PEOPLE OF THE WORLD: Both have their good and bad points. Just choose what best suits your needs and get on with it. CHEERS.