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My mate put up a list, he knows more about these things than me.
but does anyone else have any ideas
Hush, Riddler, Black Mask, Penguin, Bane, maybe Catwoman could all be altered just enough to fit with that.
Personally I hate Batman Returns & I'd like to see The Penguin done well
have they ruled out Mr Freeze then?
Victor Zsasz appeared in batman begins didn't he, plus he's an excellent character. him and The Penguin would be good
well that's no good then
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Booth#2000s (but i was sure it was Dark Knight he was in not Begins)
because he can't be played by another actor. I heard Heath Ledger said he's coming back from the dead to play The Joker, so continuity isn't fucked up.
like in the Tim Burton movie
If they made Harley Quinn in the next Batman, It hasn't been done yet and would be nice to see on screen.
Unless the studio does a Spiderman 3 and makes him put that villain in anyway.
The Penguin could be a great, codenamed, mob boss played by Philip Seymour Hoffman, but noooooo.
My older brother has a theory that the man who found out who Batman really was in TDK will be the Riddler in the sequel - he has some 'evidence' but I cannot remember it to be honest.
Also (thanks to wiki) "There are certain characters that are easier to mesh with the more real take on Batman we're doing. The Penguin would be tricky."
as he was by the time Burton got his hands on him
John Candy would be better...acting from the grave.
Batman is on the loose for (DARK KNIGHT SPOILER) kiling Dent. Gordon has to publically come out and hunt him down. The Mayor authorises the use of lethal force and starts buying automatic weapons from a British arms dealer with an umbrella and monocle.
Gordon's relationship with Wayne becomes strained and conducted behind close doors and the city's crime starts spiralling out of control due to this arms dealer funding multiple factions and employing Scarecrow. (Maybe a subplot about Gordon's eldest daughter at uni gets kidnapped and he has to join Batman to find her).
Eventually Batman comes good and takes him on, ending the trilogy with him a hero, Gordon reinstated and Gotham back on track.
Not that I've put any thought into this...
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I agree with most of the comments above. A lot of Batman's foes wouldn't work in this world. Nolan obviosuly had plans for The Joker but he's unlikely to recast Ledger and so they're on hold. And I feel that The Riddler is too similar a character to follow on next. And Catwoman is just a cat burglar, a real step down after the lat flick.
Tricky to know where it goes fro mhere really. I think escalation is the only answer to stop it feeling like a damp squib?
Retire the franchise and make The Dark Knight Returns in 20 years time...
(I hope they don't though... yet)
is The Dark Knight Returns, minus Two-Face and the Joker. Batman goes into hiding, so vigilante groups (possibly supplied by a classic, British arms dealer Penguin?) spring up across the city, Sons of Batman-style, and end up wreaking more and more havoc until Batman has to re-emerge. I'd say that would fit perfectly with how the last film ended; Batman being hounded down, vigilantes taking his image, etc.
After Dark knight any of the baddies are going to seem pantomine -I dont personally think that the Penguin is anymore unrelaistic than Joker but as Batman is now the bad guy (or was at the end og DK) then surely having him as the only 'superhero' would be the best way to go.
1) The Dark Night.
2) The one with Arnie.
4) The first one (cos of the logo).
3) the 60s one with all the dancing
5,000,000) the rest
but anyways...interesting suggestions, but all wrong. The correct answer is the Riddler played by Casey Affleck (empire told me this).
Nolan would have announced he was doing it by now. :( Shame, really.
However, I think it's wrong to assume that there won't be a Joker. Ledger's performance was great but not impossible to replicate and thanks to the make up, it wouldn't be as distracting to have someone else play the character. Everything about him is mystery and double bluff, after all.
However, he clearly wouldn't be the main villain because we'd want to move onto something else.
"Don't be afraid to use your nails, boys!"
My idea for The Riddler would fit perfectly with the realism/post-9/11 paranoia thing they had going on in TDK. Basically, The Riddler (played by Buscemi, Casey Affleck or the dude who was Napoleon Dynamite) is a waster nerd with a genius-level IQ into conspiracy theories, and decides to solve the two riddles baffling Gothamites: Did Batman really kill those people and who is he?
So you'd have the morally ambiguous idea of a hero fighting to muddy his name (as opposed to clearing it) in order to keep the delicate balance. I understand 2 Face didn't actually die, though, which is stupid.
Also, they should have Harley Quinn as The Joker's caseworker before his big trial. I believe she should be played by Scarlett Johansson or the psycho girlfriend of the brother from True Blood (because she's hot and is evil). If Nolan doesn't do this then he isn't the genius I believed him to be and therefore owes me cash from the tickets to Batman Begins, TDK and the DVDs I bought of both.
Nolan's said he is, and Eckhart is gutted he's not involved in any future films apparently.
But if Nolan's not on board, then maybe they'll bring him back.
The franchise could continue without Nolan I guess, but they'd have to do some VERY careful recruiting.
I was pretty sure Eckhart and/or Nolan specifically stated he was dead.
My mate told me t'other week that he'd got it from someone who worked at wherever and was a film nerd that Two Face was only unconscious or something. But that always seemed like too much of a Dallas-style retcon.
But that was for possible flashback footage or something so that may have fuelled the speculation:
Aaron Eckhart, in a recent interview, says he's not coming back.
Q: Is Harvey Dent alive?
Aaron Eckhart: No. He is dead as a door nail.
Q: So he's not coming back?
Eckhart: He ain't coming back, baby!
Q: I was hoping he would.
Eckhart: No. I asked Chris [Nolan] that question and he goes, "You're dead" before I could even get the question out of my mouth. "Hey Chris, am I?" "You're dead!" All right, cool.
Q: That's not a problem in comic book movies. You could still come back.
Eckhart: I think in contract negotiations it's a problem.
Q: So you were never signed on for another film?
Eckhart: No, I'm not coming back. I think unfortunately, Heath [Ledger] was supposed to go on and that didn't work out. I'm nobody. I'm a cog. I have no say over this sort of stuff. I'm sure that there's so many other characters that they could whip together. I heard Angelina Jolie was going to be Catwoman or something like that. I thought that was a great idea. I'd like to be in that one.
Q: It must be gratifying that so many people responded to your character.
Eckhart: Yeah, I dig it. Write your Congressman. I like that for the first time in my career I'm getting fan mail from kids and 8-year-olds. "My name is Bill. I really liked the film." I've never had that before. I think that's fun. I think someone told me they're going to be Harvey Two-Face for Halloween, which is cool. I said to two kids the other day, "Did you see Batman yet?" Then I come to find out like two seconds later they've seen it four times. People are really going back to see it. My parents saw it I think 12 [times] so far. They're sick that it's going out of the theaters.
Q: Do they normally see your movies 12 times?
Eckhart: I don't know about 12, but they like to go see the movies. They like to go see the audience. They like to tell people that I'm in the movie, like popcorn people.
One could argue that Harvey Dent is indeed dead, but Two-Face lives on.
I'm not sure if there's any point to a third Batman film, though. It'd have to be pretty spectacular to justify it's existence.
I think the beauty of The Dark Knight is that it's a great film simply because it's got a great cast, a good plot and a script that is decent. It's not an amazing script, there's little sparkle to the dialogue but it's interesting how shoddy action movies have got that you forget that you just need something good and the actors will bring it to life.
So if the Nolans direct and write based on Goyer's story again, we can be sure there will be equally good casting for the next villains and there should be equally as strong a script.
I really like The Dark Knight but it's not about it being a cinematic masterpiece, it's more that it's just not full of bad CGI, camerawork from a guy in the final stages of Parkinsons and edited by a kid with chronic ADHD.
According to one site I visited, though, Ledger's death hit Nolan pretty hard, so he's fairly reluctant to recast the Joker role or even work on another film. I'd like to see him at least write it though, or something along those lines.
Then Joker "converts" Harley to his al-Qaida-esque philosophy of "everything burns" and she goes even further than he did, wreaking much havoc.
Spike Lee to direct the sequel, and Radio Raheem's ghost kidnapps Gordon's family because he was formerly killed by the pigs. Harvey Keitel as Batman and Isaac Hayes (from the dead) playing the riddler.
spike lee's 'dark' knight
The Burton classics should be untouchable regarding their characters.
Keith Ledger playing Jack Nicholson looks rubbish.
PS. Batman's villains are sooo bad. They're all small-time criminals who want a bit of gold bullion or something. Compared to Marvel where the baddies want to kill people.
if you think he's just a small-time criminal
and i think you could have the joker as a presence in the background, locked up in arkham but still influencing stuff, pretty easily and without needing to ever really show him.
my guess would be 1 fairly small scale villain (mad hatter, raping kids and that + his old mucker scarecrow). riddler trying to solve who batman is. and a backdrop of joker acolyte gangs tearing shit up in a dkr style.
or maybe they'll just make dark knight strikes back and headfuck the whole thing.