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It's got to make sense really.
“If people are addicted to heroin, give them heroin. I’m not suggesting you sell it at newsagents, but if you were to offer it to addicts in a medically controlled setting, there would be no criminal market.”
“Legal punishments of people involved in drugs don’t apparently deter them and the number of deaths constantly rises.”
“If you have had a policy in place for half a century and all it has done is increase the number of drug addicts and the number of tribes associated with drugs, then it’s time to rethink that policy.”
let's stick to cannabis here
just quite enjoyed reading clear thinking by a member of the establishment : )
then you would probably save a lot of money pursuing drug dealers and also a lot of the crime that occurs from people trying to obtain money to purchase the drugs would be reduced, which would also save money.
and offer up dealerships as a franchise. It'd be just like before, but with different uniforms.
they could put forward flagrantly optimistic figures in order to win contracts to monopolise supply in a given areas. Then, when they fuck it all up and lose/use their supply, there'd be a taxpayer subsidy to make up the shortfall. It'll be like just like British Rail.
but that's not how we'll pay for the free heroin. the money for that will come in reduction of people being treated in hospital for overdoses, the amount of police time devoted to arresting users, and the amount of prisons spaces freed up by not criminalising them.
Why do we persue the war on drugs? Is it:
a) to reduce the number of people taking drugs
b) to reduce the power of organised crime
c) to reduce the incidence of street robbery and burglary that results from the need to fund habits.
or d) because to do otherwise would be seen as being 'soft'.
if lumping drug use in with 'generic crime' is your best plan for diffusing this issue then you are in some trouble.
your soldiers in the war on drugs, the tzars, the judges, the policemen, are all growing sick of enforcing a failing solution to a real problem. the citizens are sick of being uncertain of what they taking, forced to associate with criminals and being regarded as criminals themselves. and the criminals are thriving every minute the situation continues.
if italy follows portugals lead or if california legalises cannabis, you're going to need a much better position on this issue.
I think it's fairly analagous though. Criminalisation does not appear to deter, and conversely, controlled legalisiation does not seem to encourage. I don't see why it would be any different for other forms of recerational drugs. I appreciate heroin isn't exactly recreational, but if anything the argument for legalisation of that is even more stark.
As for Geroge.... think of the money saved on policing, prosecuting and imprisoning 'offenders', and also the opportunities for some kind of taxation. Happy to discuss it with you further on a separate thread.
with stoned British wasters in all the coffee shops.
It's kind of like Amsterdam's red light district - why on earth would you go somewhere that exists solely to fulfill the needs of middle-aged tourists? It's the Dutch equivalent of Windsor Castle.
i've never been so i'm no expert.
It was a (failed) attempt to be witty, in which I suggest that the rate of cannabis smoking and prostitution in Holland would be negligible were it not for the market that exists solely to satisfy tourists.
Well half of Holland is built on reclaimed land, so it's hardly surprising.
Geddit. Sea level. JyaseewhatIdidthere? Lowest users. eh, Eh, EH? Oh, forget it. I'm wasted on you lot.
could have been executed slightly better.
I'll keep at it.
""Judging by every metric, decriminalization in Portugal has been a resounding success," says Glenn Greenwald, an attorney, author and fluent Portuguese speaker, who conducted the research. "It has enabled the Portuguese government to manage and control the drug problem far better than virtually every other Western country does."
Compared to the European Union and the U.S., Portugal's drug use numbers are impressive. Following decriminalization, Portugal had the lowest rate of lifetime marijuana use in people over 15 in the E.U.: 10%. The most comparable figure in America is in people over 12: 39.8%. Proportionally, more Americans have used cocaine than Portuguese have used marijuana."
"Mr Greenwald claims that the data show that “decriminalisation has had no adverse effect on drug usage rates in Portugal”, which “in numerous categories are now among the lowest in the European Union”. This came after some rises in the 1990s, before decriminalisation. The figures reveal little evidence of drug tourism: 95% of those cited for drug misdemeanours since 2001 have been Portuguese. The level of drug trafficking, measured by numbers convicted, has also declined. And the incidence of other drug-related problems, including sexually transmitted diseases and deaths from drug overdoses, has “decreased dramatically”.
what you notice is peoples attitude to weed is no different to that of alcohol. what you notice about the kids though is that "yeah I tried it a few years ago in a coffeeshop, kinda freaked out a little and thought it wasnt for me"
Education, control, in order to make an informed choice. Yes you can buy the strongest weed (and no its not skunk as politicians would lead you to believe, thats just a tourist weed) but you can buy the weakest weed too, all done in a controlled environment.
It is great though when after work you go "hey guys, fancy meeting meeting me after work for a joint?"
Aah, i miss the ol swamp :-)