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Windows 7: Why? {Theo!?}

countzero [Edit] [Delete] 25 replies 16:04 November 3rd, 2009

I thought with netbooks, intel macs, user friendly unix boxes we'd be over this os fetishism.

What's so good about windows 7?

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It's not Vista?

That's it really. It's not Vista. It's what Vista should have been like.

But you know, everyone was all, "WTF? Get a grip MS," when they released XP a year after Windows 2000 and now everyone seems to think XP is a great OS.

theogbINCREDIBLE | 3 Nov '09, 16:14 | X | ^ This | Reply
- vista was terrible
  
  I think I've used to twice.
  
  2000 is a solid system and xp is basically 2000. The NT framework hasn't been bettered.
  
  What I am still trying to figure out is why people still give a shit? I mean people who have no interest in dealing with OSs at a low level.
  
  countzero @theogbINCREDIBLE | 3 Nov '09, 16:18 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - I don't really get what you mean?
    
    I didn't mind Vista. My issue with it was that it was XP with a different skin and a decent search system.
    
    So yeah, W7 is basically Vista but if you used Win2K a bit and then used XP you'd pretty quickly realise why XP is a better OS to use if you're not administering a network but just working at home or in an office.
    
    From using Win 7 it's a similar thing. They've put in some slightly quicker ways of doing stuff compared to XP and the've made the task bar a FUCK of a lot easier to use, cleared all those messy system tray icons away and made it run a bit smoother.
    
    If you're someone who uses your computer for browsing and working those changes make it better to use than XP from what I've seen. If it's what you use every day for your work why wouldn't you care?
    
    theogbINCREDIBLE @countzero | 3 Nov '09, 16:24 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - Is this one of those windows parties?
      
      foppyish @theogbINCREDIBLE | 3 Nov '09, 16:27 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - Why is this here?
        
        Suppose I should be grateful it's still in the right thread.
        
        foppyish @foppyish | 3 Nov '09, 16:28 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - Well no matter what OS I use
      
      I strip it down so it is very quick anyway.
      
      Only vista was unable to be stripped down so that's why I hated it.
      
      My point was before windows 95 no one cared what os they used. MS's marketing for windows 95 brought in the culture of non-geeks giving a shit about the os they used
      
      countzero @theogbINCREDIBLE | 3 Nov '09, 16:28 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - Yeah, people did. What are you talking about?
        
        People had MS-DOS and some had DR-DOS (!). There was good old DOS 2.11 and then I skipped straight to 5. 4 was a NIGHTMARE memory hog. Finally there was MS-DOS 6.22 and back then people even had Windows 3.1 and Windows 3.11 and boy were they a pile of arsebanditry.
        
        MS have been producing updates to their OS for years. So have Apple for that matter. What is 'Snow Leopard' if not the same sort of thing?
        
        theogbINCREDIBLE @countzero | 3 Nov '09, 16:31 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        the types of people
        
        that are so excited about windows 7 now were definitely not the kind ot switch between different flavours of dos.
        
        I'm saying Windows 95 made OSs a concern of the computer illiterates.
        
        Yeh, you're right about snow leopard.
        
        countzero @theogbINCREDIBLE | 3 Nov '09, 17:31 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - ...
    
    It's really very simple: It's new, so we want it.
    
    Speaking for myself, I have no interest - but I will illegally download it anyway, as revenge for all the hours of my life Vista has wasted with its pointless bullshit.
    
    Stealthy @countzero | 3 Nov '09, 16:30 | X | ^ This | Reply
    
    countzero this'd this
Vista with SP2

seems to me to be a BIG improvement compared to Vista when it came out of the blocks. Vista SP2 seems to have sorted out the hanging it used to do when you were transfering a bunch of files in around. XP and Vista, since their SP2s, have been very stable, imo. But, yeah, the ability to pare down Vista and make it look and act the way you want it to.

I had a small fiddle with the Win7 Release Candidate and (daft little bugs aside) it does definitely seem to be very Vista-like, but pretty good for battery life on my netbook (compared to XP / Ubuntu / Linux Mint).

Not having the Filmstrip view in Explorer in Vista is my number one gripe. That preview pane on the right in Vista is balls in comparison. Is Filmstrip view back in Win7?

I can't see me paying for a standalone Win7 to replace XP / Vista before I buy any new machines. Unless they do a 3 pack for a bit less than £100 - then I'd consider it.

TheWza | 3 Nov '09, 16:45 | X | ^ This | Reply
- Nah, filmstrip's gone and is like you say.
  
  But it's in the Office Picture Manager you get with Office 2007 versions and that's a much better program in any case.
  
  theogbINCREDIBLE @TheWza | 3 Nov '09, 16:47 | X | ^ This | Reply
  - I feel a little aggrieved
    
    that something that was extremely useful and inherent to Explorer has been removed and made part of an Office suite (that I don't have).
    
    I'm really not sold on photo managers that monitor folders and all that jazz. I like to deal directly with the files and I've got photos in dated & named folders. Bosh, they're organised. I wanna properly browse through a folder without having to open 'em all up in an editor. Filmstrip view did that perfectly, but they've gone and borked it for no good reason. The sods, etc and so on...
    
    TheWza @theogbINCREDIBLE | 3 Nov '09, 17:39 | X | ^ This | Reply
    - Open Office? Fuck that shit.
      
      I don't really get why everyone doesn't have a copy of Office. I've actually bought my current version. Shocking. After having had cracked copies of Office since the 26 floppy disc (?) version of Office 6.0 back in the day, I thought under a £100 meant I should really just shell out and buy it. Excel, Word, PowerPoint and the picture manager. But otherwise, there's always a decent cracked version around.
      
      The picture manager's in Office 2003 too. It replaced the amazing Photo Editor, which pissed me off a wee bit, but I can always install that from my old Office 97 or 2K discs...
      
      TheoGB @TheWza | 4 Nov '09, 07:53 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - Hmmm.
        
        Microsoft Office 2007 Home and Student Edition (3 User Licence) = £60, which is admittedly much more reasonable than it has been in the past. But it's too little, too late as OpenOffice = Free, and does everything I need.
        
        Therefore, 60 extra pounds to spend on crack. (Well, not quite 60, cos I have donated to free software folk in the past.)
        
        But yeah, I used to like Photo Editor, too. Another decent program that has fallen by the wayside. I use Irfanview for those kinds of tasks now. Which has the advantage of being excellent for editing batches of photos in one go.
        
        TheWza @TheoGB | 4 Nov '09, 14:42 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I think it was just one of those 'accidentally' useful packages.
        
        I'm sure the majority of Office's users didn't actually use it.
        
        Is that what Irfanview is? I haven't checked it out yet but for some reason I thought it was a PDF package.
        
        TheoGB @TheWza | 4 Nov '09, 15:05 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Irfanview is pretty boss.
        
        It does all the low level, image editing stuff where layers aren't required and Gimp/Pain.NET/Photoshop would be cracking a nut with a sledgehammer.
        
        As mentioned it's really good for batch conversions (renaming, converting to B&W, resizing, or a combination of all of those and more).
        
        It has a rough & ready quick slideshow maker, too.
        
        If you're so inclined, there's also a bunch of plug-ins you can install that will enable it to play mp3s.
        
        TheWza @TheoGB | 4 Nov '09, 15:29 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        ...
        
        I can't believe there are people who actually used Photo Editor - it was totally shithouse.
        
        ACD is the don of these kinds of programs.
        
        Stealthy @TheWza | 4 Nov '09, 15:16 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Where can I get a legit free copy of ACD?
        
        Or ACDSee? Cos that's listed as $50 for just the photo manager. And they want another $50 for the editor.
        
        Photo Editor was fine for what it was able to do - basic cropping & re-sizing.
        
        That doesn't really cut it in the face of numerous free (& totally capable) options out there.
        
        Prediction: It came pre-installed on your computer.
        
        TheWza @Stealthy | 4 Nov '09, 15:35 | X | ^ This | Reply
      - OpenOffice is really good for word processing, as good as Word pretty much
        
        the other apps are decent. MS Office is better, but Open Office does what most people need, and for free.
        
        _vikram @TheoGB | 4 Nov '09, 14:48 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        But a cracked version of Office does EXACTLY what Office does but for free.
        
        TheoGB @_vikram | 4 Nov '09, 15:04 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        some people think stealing is wrong, oh theo
        
        _vikram @TheoGB | 4 Nov '09, 15:06 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        Some people are humourless buggers, oh vikram
        
        ;-)
        
        TheoGB @_vikram | 4 Nov '09, 15:09 | X | ^ This | Reply
        
        I AM THE LAWNMOWER MAN
        
        _vikram @TheoGB | 4 Nov '09, 15:15 | X | ^ This | Reply
touch screen yar?

greesy finger £400 screen win win

definitionofself | 3 Nov '09, 17:03 | X | ^ This | Reply
Good battery life

quicker performance
more reliable
refined
easier to use

I played with it, it's a lot better than vista and its in the odd section where an updated version of software runs on systems that couldnt handle the previous version. They seem a lot more focused on Win7 where as Vista was a mix of ideas that the person designing it clearly just thought 'o that sounds good' to everything

Yesiamaduck | 4 Nov '09, 00:04 | X | ^ This | Reply