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I cant think of anyone, even though it is a phrase that is thrown around quite alot.
PETE DOHERTY. MAN, HE'S A POET OR SOMETHING..(!)
This is all.
I forgot..but he wasn't really..maybe 90-95.
I think you need two to fill a decade.
The adultation of Oberst is pretty much the world saying "Fuck imagination, fuck creativity, fuck brilliance. We want mediocrity and we want it now"
To be honest I know I'm being a bit harsh on the guy. He's a decent enough songwriter but I don't really get how someone who's merely "quite good" gets so much adulation.
but the fact that he does made me suggest his name
Though technically it's not actually his voice.
who calculates these things, anyway?
You get the feeling that they really, truly believe that they are kindred spirits. It's probably for the best that (as far as I've seen) he never joins in the comments section..
Choice one from today:
It's been a long road, you and me. A long and winding twisted, poorly- lit, car-ridden, pedestrian-strewn (metaphorically speaking, of course) road. Full of ups and downs (to say nothing of ins and outs, wot), full of bad jokes, worse cliches, permutated ironies, undisclosed hostilities, purgatorial dispersions, relentless wherewithal, and pointless lists... but now I know it has all been worthwhile, has at last, if you will, paid off.... More or less. That my rather hardcore endurance, my pestering and haranguing, my sleepless nights, my long-distance (albeit imaginary) late-night telephone calls, the cards and letters...and the comments posted, dear god, let's not forget the comments posted...(the repetitive motion disorder in my hand is healing nicely, thanks!)
but my faith has endured and it has not been for naught.
That's what makes you and I, you and me, and me and you such a perfect match!
I'm not sure there's enough ellipses in there for him!
but yeah....that post made me feel sick....i think they need to stop the comment function on his articles....it's a wasteland
I love him, but he's ruining everything
It's what we were saying about everyone mimicking him
or, more seriously, Naomi Klein or someone similar?
then burn every possible bridge to prevent me from ever joining my generation again.
I don't make the rules up.
but at his best he is laugh-out-loud funny, spot-on and justified in his fury at moronic things/people. And I really rate Screenwipe - great series.
He can also, however, be a crashing bore, is over-cited and overexposed.
And he's left a trail of dwindling matryoshka dolls in his wake.
One of Caitlin Morans rules of being a columnist was: ''Never read Charlie Brooker. If you're a man, and you want to be a columnist, bever, ever read Charlie Brooker. It seems to ruin all male writers in an instant. They just start using words like 'fuckbollock' for no reason and all, and presume that what the little Brooker inside their head wants them to do is write furious, misanthropic, existential snuff. Little realising, of course, that Brooker is a highly moralistic, disappointed romantic, and the swearing is just this fabulous sideline he had.''
Everything's so divided and splintered these days that one man's voice of a generation is another man's Pete Doherty. It's not like in the old days when a Dylan or a Lennon could tap into the lifeblood of youth culture just by breathing - now it's all carefully calculated market demographics and whatnot.
I suppose the closest we came is Alex Turner, but quite frankly he was only TVOAG for twelve songs and then they released Favorite Worst Nightmare.
So, yeah, I think people are sort of all over the place on this one. You can't be the voice of a generation so polarized.
for a particular section of society. And it goes without saying that he thought it was a meaningless label.
you get people who eclipse this generation, rather than speak for it/have a voice...
Then again, this generation differs from the rest since we're all so fucking wagon-hopping, X-Factor, all of it. It's like the "generation of NOVELTY". The press following that dies down (Pete, Amy) eventually, because no one does or says anything REALLY worthwhile. There are no new ideas, nothing daring.
I mean, look at it this way: The most prominent genre's of music this decade all had the word REVIVAL next to it.
During that period there was a new voice of a generation every week.
It's Fred Durst. SHOULDA KEPT MAH PANTS ON THIS TIME. Speaks to me so much.
Also, I bought 'The Unquestionable Truth Part 1' from amazon marketplace for 30p. It's actually fairly decent by their standards - slick grooves, nice 'n heavy, Durst's lyrical rampage, burnin' ya headset.
and come to the conclusion that most modern musicians think having an opinion makes them an asshole. Oberst has been a reluctant spokesman but he'll only put it in songs like 'When the President Talks to God' and shied away from discussing it when I interviewed him. Ditto James Mercer.
Few acts really spoke out about Iraq (at least in any meaningful way) and few of those that did really have much reach beyond those who already agree with them (I kinda cringed when Jim James started ranting about war at their incredible Shepherd's Bush Empire show ahead of 'Z' coming out).
There are motormouths like Johnny Borrell and hand scrawlers like Chris Martin but possibly Kele Okereke is someone who maybe doesn't get enough credit for some of the topics he's tried to broach during their rise.
I still think Saul Williams' blog about 'selling out' was one of the most moving and powerful pieces of prose I've read from a musician but I suspect the mass media will claim Lily Allen as 'our spokesman', whereas I'd much rather it was Jon Stewart from the Daily Show or Chris Morris.
In my view part of the reason he seems either anonymous or unpopular outside of Bloc Party circles is 'cos he doesn't quite have the charisma/communication skills to really become a spokesman for an entire generation. So, on the one hand you could see that as not getting enough credit or, on the other hand, you could see it as due to his own shortcomings.
because we don't really need one? 'Young' people have far more vehicles for discussion easily and readily available to them now than they did in the 1960s and 1970s. Anyone with a half-baked opinion can air it pretty openly and freely. Perhaps messageboards and Twitter (*shudder*) are our spokesman?
What generation am I anyway? Am I part of the same generation as people four of five years older than me? It's a bit of a daft term unless used retrospectively, IMO.
although it depends if you see The Walkmen, The Gameboy or being about 12 when 'Nevermind' came out as Year Zero.
You could view the generation gap as people who both thumbs to text and know how to use predictive text, and those who hold their phone out and poke the keys with their index finger at a snail's pace.
Personally i think the cut off should be 1982, as anyone born after that probably didn't have the internet at school or use email in their teens (I think I was the first kid in my school to get it, which made copy pasting my coursework a doddle but ironically, despite this sounding like cheating, I probably did more research and exploring the topics I was interested in).
I think the Mtv Generation and the Napster Generation are two distinctly different generations too. Fuck, I should really put together my book proposal about all of this or just bugger off and actually goto university to get some kinda qualification in anthropology or somesuch.
I'm saying ~1945-1975 birthday peeps are the ones to watch out for.
Anyone who's now 35-65.
Over ~65? You were alive for WWII. You're excused.
~35-65? You've been in the prime of your life for one of the most prosperous, care-free periods in history and you fscked it up (and I'm concentrating on the Anglosphere/Western Europe here). They've stolen our pensions (and expect us to pay for theirs, too), free university is gone (they used to be able to sign on the dole during summer!!!), sold off our valuable state-owned resources to a select few shareholders (who cream the profits from those for who shareholding is a luxury at best, or an alien concept at worst)... What's their excuse?!!!
~under 35? You were still young enough to have grown up with the internet. A whole heap of shite has been imposed upon us.
There are /obviously/ some exceptions.
I'm 30 (my first internettery was @ 18 @ uni in '97), and for 10-odd years or more, it's felt like I've been on the cusp. The Generation X / Generation Y thing bears that out. I'm automatically suspicious of anyone older than me (but not yet retirement age).
On that basis, is it any wonder that this gen has taken solace in the internet and computers? The internet that the over 35s are only now getting to proper grips with. Have any of the older DiSers noticed how many stupid chain emails that are being forwarded by your folks, 10 years after they first surfaced? For the past year/18 months, it's like we've been reset to '97 or something.
Coincidentally enough, the concept of intergenerational equity ((http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intergenerational_equity)) was originally set out in 1974 (~35 years ago!):
"...trustees of endowed institutions are the guardians of the future against the claims of the present. Their task in managing the endowment is to preserve equity among generations."
Before that, presumably, the notion of not fscking things up for your kids wasn't a mainstream idea.
Sean - write that book! :-)
XY Cusp: http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/XY-Cusp
I'm not buying into this MTV generation thing. It wasn't ubiquitous enough in the UK/Europe for it to properly apply beyond the US.
neopets 4 eva
he means anyone born /before/ that. As in older than '82 birth = didn't have internet at school.
when we had dial up i used to drive our phone bills up to about £70 a month. thank god for broadband now :D
The sound of a modem starting up still gives me some kind of pavlovian boner response
Good thing I've got my lunch at my desk already :D
That's also the noise of a Spectrum loading up, to the Gen XY-ers amongst us.
although being born in the 70's does have a better ring to it. 'echo boomers'?? has anyone ever heard someone say this outside of a douglas coupland novel?
so that I could resign from my generation a third time, at which point I'd flee from my generation and re-burn every bridge, make my way across a North Korean nuclear test site in the nick of time before the area between me and my generation became so radioactive it was uncrossable for thousands of years, have drastic surgery to alter my face so nobody within my generation could recognise me and invite me to rejoin my generation and live out the rest of my days in a sealed underground bunker so my generation could never, ever find me.
Didn't realise sea_anemone was still logged into my work computer (I move about quite a bit so am not always on the same desk...)
As much as I disagree with you...
Fictional, yes. Prophetic, yes.
chaka demus was a c*nt
its true, he does have his finger on the pulse.