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Seriously, grow the fuck up.
You'll never eradicate their sale or use. In purely economic terms, it makes far more sense to legalize the fucking things and have done with it.
Plus, it's a tad harsh that some student smuggling a little reefer into the country could get more jail time than a kiddie fiddler/rapist/murderer. Our priorities are all screwed up.
And I don't think it's just a coincidence that the drugs which open your eyes to how you're being fucked every day of your life are the ones which are the "most" illegal.
Maybe crack and heroin should remain prohibited, but that's it.
particularly with regards to the economic ramifications of legalisation (on a global scale) and the practicalities of regulating a drug 'industry'.
But I'm not going to profess to know the ins and outs. What I can say is that yes, the mindset that keeping drugs illegal will eventually eradicate their use, sale and production is indeed stupid. But it's possibly more stupid to think that the illegality of drug sale, production and possession is actually aiming to do that.
As it's by now obvious that eradication is not possible.
I don't really see how regulation would vary much from that used in the alcohol and tobacco industries.
I think that one of the real reasons they're illegal is more to do with the fact that, generally, people are greedy morons who never know when they've had enough. Hand them a bag of smack with no legal ramifications attached to it's use and you're looking at an O.D-in-waiting.
Basically, stupidity is the main problem.
because I don't believe that drugs should be legalised as I really don't see any pressing reason to do so at this moment in time, more than out of some moral stance or principle against drugs. I'm much more inclined towards the decriminalisation of some drug-related offences, such as the reclassification of 'softer' drugs. My (admittedly limited) understanding of legalisation would be that the people in places like Afghanistan, Columbia and Indonesia (who already struggle to make ends meet) would pretty much have to tuck their heads between their legs and kiss their arses goodbye.
At least we can agree that stupidity is a problem though, eh?
"And I don't think it's just a coincidence that the drugs which open your eyes to how you're being fucked every day of your life are the ones which are the "most" illegal."
Seriously grow the fuck up? ;)
Good for you.
followed it up by lying down and grabbing chunks of thin air while listening to Dark Side Of The Moon on repeat for three hours. Then did a sick. Just saying like.
Depends on the drug
Plus you have to factor the fact that most people are idiots
Ah, too complex to get into, im leaving, this is gonna get heavy
it's a wee bit more complicated than 'let's legalise them like teh cigarettes and cider and make a whole bunch of money off the tax'
which is why ahm oot. Idk how much longer I can use that catchphrase without killing myself.
and I want to do a poo in Paul's house
In theory, if it just meant "waahey it's much purer and I wont get in trouble" then I'd be right behind it. But the effects on society are much more complicated.
I was listening to Le Show today and they were on about how American police/lawyers...everyone associated with law anyway, now make more money off heroin that the Taliban do.
Moral issues aside you have to kind of wonder what would happen to the world economy if drugs were legalised.
On the contrary. Billions of pounds a year are being poured into the coiffures of gun-totin' gangsters while poverty and existentialist angst envelop the overworld. Let's take that loot and turn it into something which is beneficial to society. Like more banks, or large government buildings, or a children's orphanage. Of cash. Or something. I know what I mean, that's the main thing.
Oh yes, those gun-totin' gangsters sure do have great hair!
Too many drugs, I imagine.
would immediately rush to the Off License to buy a bag of brown if it ever became legal, right?
my point is that you increase availability to the levels that alcohol currently has and you're just inviting a whole new load of social problems and the tax revenue will likely just go towards paying for them.
but I agree here, it would be absurd to suggest that anyone would try heroin just because it was legal, you'd have to be a moron of monumental proportions to suddenly think "wow it's legal, great lets try some". This doesn't mean some people wouldn't try other drugs due to them being made legal though, I'm sure there's a significant group of individuals more scared of getting caught than of any potential consequences regarding health issues.
Are you supposed to use speech marks for thoughts? Probably not.
(a) legalising drugs would not provide a bounty of tax money, much in the same way alcohol and cigarettes do not.
(b) increasing the availabilty of something will increase usage.
Well fuck you, buddy. I don't even know who you are.
and basically admitted you were a cunt which I agreed with based on the manipulative crap you were posting.
"Tiger Porn" was a great thread.
That is all.
which gets shown every night around 2am?
I have been undertaking my own research.
those lawmakers dont know what theyre talking about
im being sarcastic.
and illegal doesn't necessarily equal bad? Bless.
not really relevant is it? I won't allow this to wind me up as my reasons for being a virgin are perfectly valid and I understand why this is the case, anyone who feels burdened by such a label (or especially someone who uses it to ridicule others) is clearly a weak-minded imbecile.
Here's my birth video. We took off all our clothes on account of it being hot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wR-ZV5KiVg
then those girls would be falling at my feet, maybe you could teach me, it's only fair.
my work here is done
You're the one with all the issues, right? All wound up with them issues, taking issues, making an issue of "it", selling those issues like a whore in the street, all up in my face with those issues, yeah?
I may come across as a cunt, I may strike you as a nasty piece of work, but I ain't no fucking moralizing hypocrite, boy. And if I have to moralize, I do it sans issues.
(probably a little more than we should).
It was all that rubbish about you cutting a friend off just because they were associated with animal porn, I thought that was pretty low. Then you spurted some ridiculously manipulative bullshit about using people to get what you wanted, maybe you were just joking but we agreed that we wouldn't get on...
It's like diddling a child. They're blind to the fact you're violating them....they think the winking mole you're stubbing there face with is a treat........but you know it's a blowjob from a minor.
It. is. wrong.
he just thought it was a bit sick, he even stated that it had absolutely nothing to do with morals.
Morals came later. At that precise moment in time, when I first discovered the porn, I admit it, I was wondering how the fuck I could extricate myself from this fellow's social circle without setting off alarm bells.
As it turns out, all I had to do was just stop answering his phonecalls. Worked like a charm.
I feel completely vindicated for hating you (internet hate - not quite as powerful as real hate, you understand). I won't be coming round your house with an axe to kill you off any time soon so I wouldn't worry about it.
Step to or step the fuck off, y'dig?
Really? Are you John Bender, orson? Are you John Bender from The Breakfast Club?
reminded me to ask if anyone's heard about the new collaboration between Panda Bear and AC Newman?
and so was i, yet at the same time being ironic at my ironicness, because there is also an element of truth to it, of course the ironicness is about the generalisation and genericness of the statement (for me) (Sorry its probably a bit difficult to follow, im off my face on Ainsley Harriots east indian mulligatawny cup soup at the moment (4 sachets in a row) active ingrediants - Dipotassium phosphate and Trisodium Citrate)
but i don't want live in Ketland
on a practical logistical level - no way.
(which I think is the reason most anti-drug bores disregard it) but when you look at the havoc legal drugs already wreak on society, how could a toot of white loot or a toke of green smoke really make things any worse?
I think, honestly, that good old fashioned British stupidity is the deciding factor. Brits are stupid, and that's that. They can't be trusted to look after themselves around narcotics. Maybe because we're an island nation, or something.
you're seriously asking how life would be worse if we were all exposed to more tedious cokeheads or stoners?
I would miss "wacky" drunk people who "don't give a fuck" because it's "Friday night" and they're "on the prowl" in town to help raise their pathetically low self esteem. Finishing the night off with one of the following:
- A soggy kebab they will shit out in liquid form the following morning.
- The casual breaking of a passerby's face.
- Pissing the length and breadth of the high street, urine flowing in a yellow wave towards the homeless and riot police.
- A rape.
- Pointless vandalism.
Then, come Monday, we get to hear all about their "mad" adventures standing in line outside wanky indie bars, and their "absolutely mennn-taaalll" friend Barry from fucking Cornwall, who, they earnestly claim, is an "immense legend" because he "jumped a fare" and took food from the mouths of a hardworking immigrant taxi driver's children.
I know the majority are drinkers, which makes being a drunken wanker somehow more legitimate than being stoned, and I know the standard insult to hurl at a stoner is that they're boring, but seriously, actually listen to yourself while you're pissed up. You'll slit your throat in no time out of sheer braindead boredom.
Also...Essex is the leading county for binge drinking offences.
Lack of cultural identity, everything is baked into the concrete...the spirit level bubble is just left of the centre.
It's bromide...suburban and derelict. But these two components merge to make scenery that is characterless...and falling apart. Only slightly.
this kind of activity is engaged in by a small minority. maybe you should rethink your use of stereotypes, because if we're going to go down this route you're advocating the legalisation of substances that cause users desperate for their next fix to steal DVD players from grannies.
i was using stereotypes as well. WHAT'S GOING ON. i must be drunk. no, that's not it, i quit drinking because being drunk in public makes my skin crawl.
EITHER WAY, using stereotypes to combat steretypes is NOT COOL. shame on you.
I'm quite fond of the odd drink, always have been and this is almost precisely what happens every time alcohol passes my lips. Listening to drunk people (vaguely coherant drunk people) is infinitely more entertaining than listening to someone bang on about what an amazing drugged up experience they're having. This isn't even bias, I've actually got nothing against people taking drugs, did it myself for a whil... still completely disagree.
Everyone loves a comedic drunk. Bleary inebriation and ''putting the world to rights'' is better then drug consumption and cod-philosophising.
Also. Drugs are dark. Drink is silly. <<< Generalization.
But I don't blather about what an amazing drugged up experience I'm having. I just talk like a normal person and happen to be high at the time. You ever heard of that? I don't have the stomach to do much drinking, so I choose to smoke weed instead.
of course not all people who take drugs are going to act like that, it was mainly used to counter the ridiculous argument by the rabbit guy. Unfortuantely it does appear to be quite common though, probably amongst people who I wouldn't like even if they were sober anyway... I generally find that with people. Get someone really fucked (alcohol or drugs) and if you still like them then you've found yourself a friend. It really does reveal the cunt in people.
it's easier to be friendly to people when smoking weed, i'd never share a pint with someone but i'd happily give them a few tokes on a joint.
I agree that drugs should be legalised, but I wouldn't do it through private ownership, that would be very very dangerous, it would only be regulated properly through state ownership in my opinion. Do not think it would be a very difficult policy to implement at all - think it's overcomplicated on purpose to make the proposition less attractive. also, profit generated by the state would obviously have to be put into warning of the dangers of drugs and rehabilitation for those who find themselves in trouble.
but doesn't really support your argument.
Look, I'm doing it right now.
She's a real left-winger 'cause she's been down south
And held peasants in her arms, she said
"I could tell you stories that could make you cry. What about you?"
I said, "Me too. I could tell you a story that would make you cry."
And she sighed, "Ahh."
As a dismissal, it sort of worked. I didn't "feel it", though.
they moaned on like they would rather actually be dead! They are probably happier now! Give me a comedian who seems happy to be here over them any day.
He comes across as even more miserable, but still sounds like he's having a hoot. Steven Wright is like J Mascis is he did stand up. Nahmean?
He blatantly loves it. And it is sort of like the J Mascis interview schtick. Towards the end Bill Hicks was so full of hate it obscured the humour and everything else im-ho
Talking about comedians seriously. What a drag eh
I like it when Wright tells a real funny joke and he concentrates so hard not to laugh, rubbing his forehead like he's got a headache. It's a really good idea! I never found Bill Hicks funny, though, nothing he said I ever found funny. Oh man, still being serious. FAIL :( Imma go watch some Steven Wright on UToobz.
...perhaps it would be a good idea to, you know, actually use law enforcement effectively. Make it easier to prosecute the people involved properly, etc. Seems like a much better idea, no? And whilst they're at it they can do the same with all the stuck-up, hypocritical, middle-class fucks who are so disgustingly ignorant and arrogant about it all.
but this article is pretty interesting.......
...and think you're a good forum member.........
But I think you wrap teenage opinions in cogent, articulate language and profess to know better.
and now all that's left are the rueful memories.
...but still....we can mould this wreckage into something sturdy..........like 9/11 in reverse.
HE WAS WATCHING ME BUY CIGARETTES.
Eyes are bad.
I shall weep. But I shall move on.
I'll still eye you across the crowd
people are always going to take drugs therefore a harm reduction approach is the way forward.
if drugs are legal people will know what they are taking (less chance of ODing due to not knowing the strength of the stuff) and people will hopefully be more willing to admit when they have a problem.
currently all the money from the drugs trade goes to criminals. the market will always be there, so why should the criminals have all the money ?
any changes will need time to work, to get from where we are now to a worldwide legalization of everything will take years and years.
i think we should do what portugal has done (see link above).
also, check out this:
in conclusion: the current system needs changing. how it should be changed is open for debate but right now the system is shit.
however if someone is growing lots and refining it and selling it for profit, then it would not be unreasonable to take that money from them (they do this in all other areas anyway) and this would remove some incentive for industrial production and druk crime.
Especially if individuals were able to grow it themselves for themselves, then the price that the industrial producers would be able to charge would not be enough of an incentive to counter the possi bility of confiscation of all the dosh (given the effort)
I can't believe no-one has tried to propose a coherent argument for legalisation of hard drugs, whatever.
not this time buddy. Bake him away, toys.
Aside from the compliment, which I thank thee for, I'm being slowly convinced I am wrong by some of the responses I've read on here. Not necessarily 100% wrong, but I'm thinking maybe hard drugs should stay illegal. Actually imagining what the world would be like with freely available smack and crack is quite frightening.
But, although it sounds daft, I just think that the British aren't stable enough to behave the same way. The mindset, maybe, or the culture itself, won't allow for moderation.
in a eastern european country (can't remember exactly, sorry) they legalised heavy drugs and saw a 30% cut in use over 12 months, and something like a 100% cut in HIV. If the state legalises the drug and does not drive for profit, like corporations would, then you can create a safe and educating community for addicts.
drug addiction should be a national health issue rather than a law enforcement one. I think that's a pretty level-headed way of thinking about it.
nice work (Y)
It would take an extremely determined British government to legalise the likes of ecstasy and weed, and the energy to effect such a political sea change does not exist, no matter what the theoretical benefits in reduction of pressure upon the legal system and the NHS are.
The benefits you'd realise would also be limited without a global movement towards proper, legalised manufacture and trading of narcotics. At the moment the production of cocaine for instance is tied to an unspeakably murderous system which would make it deeply morally suspect to legalise. Obviously legalised trading is next to impossible because America cannot admit that for the last fifty years it has been pursuing a drug policy which at best exacerbated the problem.
Read into drug policy long enough and you will realise that the boundaries separating things like heroin, alcohol and marijuana are largely there for cultural reasons and are all the more difficult to tear down because of it. You can see a similar pattern in conviction policy and crime reduction.
"Plus, it's a tad harsh that some student smuggling a little reefer into the country could get more jail time than a kiddie fiddler/rapist/murderer. Our priorities are all screwed up."
Maximum sentence for murder / rape / kiddie fiddling: life
Maximum sentence for importing class B drugs: 14 years, BUT the starting point is only 7 years for 100 kilos (!), so importing "a little reefer" will basically never result in more jail time than any of the above offences