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If you were doomed to spend the rest of your days on an island with one of the above groups, who would you tolerate?
for the simple reason that I am a Music Snob, and couldn't tolerate being stuck on an island with a bunch of opinionated tossers with the wrong opinion. Plus I could piss everyone off by going on about how I fell asleep during Pulp Fiction, how I quite liked Juno, and how A Knight's Tale is better than There Will Be Blood.
That is all.
music snobs don't seem to find it so easy to not talk about music
At least with the films they could do a bit of the dialogue etc...where as the music snob bit might involve humming or bad singing etc.
I could easily switch off from a seemingly endless film fascist argument and not let it bother me. On the other hand, if I had to listen to some jamrag going on ad infinitum about how Arcade Fire or some other shit band were the greatest group ever it'd drive me insane.
They generally aren't out to win when they talk about what they love
If you live or spend time in East London, there is often no choice to make.
despite the fact I like music so much more than films.
i'd have to choose to have both
maybe we could pit them against each other in a battle royale, or in some murderous desert island equivalent of it's a knockout
But music snobs! I more or less hang about with both anyway so it will make no difference
it would be worse to be stuck with someone that didnt give a fuck about either.
there's something really depressing about people that mostly talk about music, especially going on about much they LOVE it all the time
but then again, i'm not sure how i would feel spending the rest of my days with someone that didn't appreciate 'zoolander' or 'crank'
I reluctantly watched it over the weekend because there was literally nothing left in the house that I hadn't seen yet and I *checks the coast is clear* thought it was pretty good. I wasn't planning on telling anyone.
it's like the best film ever
'Crank 2'. It was an incredible high-octane pumping powerhouse of a movie. I went to some film website thing a couple of weeks ago and said my standard of a good reviewer is how they rate 'Crank'. Everyone laughed, like 'Yeah, Crank's shit.' And I said, 'No, if they like Crank, they appreciate the basic point of a film! To entertain!' DEATHLY SILENCE.
I've yet to find anyone to watch the first Crank on DVD with. Philistines, all!
Come to Olegrich's next week. He's having a Crank 1&2 night. We might even be able to fit in Punisher Warzone, which I believe is easily on Crank's level.
does olegrich still live in the outer reaches of essex?
whatever, crank's still worth travelling for.
Nah, he's in Hammersmith now. Still a mission, but crucially, not too far for Crank.
I still haven't seen either of them.
let's make tim watch it as well
or we could just watch it at olegrich's
Amazing + Gerry Halliwell + Corey Haim = FUCKING AMAZING
I imagine the majority of you have groups of friends made up of music snobs – in fact, some of you are music snobs. A quick look at the Music Forum would probably confirm it. And, well, this site isn’t called ‘Drowned in Celluloid’, nahmean? Nah, I think most of you chose to follow wishpig’s example as she’s the first person who made a firm argument and the rest of you couldn’t be arsed making up your minds.
Having said that, I’d probably pick film buffs as well, partly because I, uh, agree with wishpig… but also because ‘music snob’ makes me think of ‘stereotypical East London hipster’ and I couldn’t stomach that shit. Film snobs generally seem to look so weird and dress with a complete lack of awareness to any fashion and seem so removed from any social circles that they’re far more bearable. Music brings people together on a larger scale, but films seem more solitary, like books. Film buffs are loners who sit in a lot watching films every single day, whereas music snobs are, like, out there, being seen on the scene, trying to adapt music to their personalities in an attempt to come across as more interesting. Another annoying thing about music snobs is that they sometimes adopt the film fascist mantle, thanks to films like The Proposition and other films related largely to musicians who are ‘cool’. It’s easily done: ‘You’ve never heard x band? You’re living a shell of a life’ becomes ‘You’ve never seen x film? You’re living a shell of a life’. See? Fucking dicks.
I'm a little bit of a snob, sure, but I don't tend to go on about bands that no one else has heard of, what's the point? I use this site to rant about music because it's hardly discussed by myself or anyone I know in reality. There's people who I associate with that like music but not anywhere to the same extent as the people who frequent this site.
I just think the film people would be more tollerable, my closest friend is a bit of a "film facist" and I can cope with that just fine.
I like both.
I'm not going to Canning Town. Not for you, not for your wife, not for anything.
I think their snobery tends to come from a geniune interest in music and belief in what they like being the best, think film types are motivated, to appear cool and have good taste in a 'look at me I cant stand the latest faux-indie hit because I see through it and have superior taste' kind of way. Although I doubt I have encountered many actual film snobs, probably just music ones who dabble, so I may be completely wrong. But in general I dont really rate films as an art form so maybe that explains my disliktred when people are snobbish about it.
"think film types are motivated, to appear cool and have good taste in a 'look at me I cant stand the latest faux-indie hit because I see through it and have superior taste' kind of way"
Yeah, all the cool film buffs hang around outside arthouse cinemas smoking cigarettes, sneering at the common people who enjoy Adam Sandler films. That's it isn't it?
Maybe, just maybe, 'film buffs' want a bit more out of their time and money, want to watch something worthwhile and intelligent. I don't think that's particularly pretentious or sinister.
Also, film is a much more collaborative, difficult and creative process than music making- which is a very small number of people working on something. So it's not really a lesser artform.
I dont think ive encounterd any proper film buffs, I think I was talking about music snobs who sideline in films, people who dislike films that contain elements that they would probably love in music and fiction, just because thay are actually marketed towards them.
and like what you like and over theorise and all that shit...but you don't have to pretend to like everything...in fact you can get brownie points for being intolerant of every genre barre your favourite.
film buffs however pride themselves in watching every shit brit indie flick that only showed in some smelly arts screening in fucking Wakefield and wank over the shitload of Korean 'quirky' adaptions of American Gen X films and will let you know that you know fuck all about film if you don't appreciate them.
Music buffs, for all their faults...are evangelists...they want to share their music...
film fucks KNOW YOU HAVEN'T HEARD OF A PARTICULAR film because you weren't at the screening and it hadn't got a distro...and the revel in the fact that 'you haven't heard of it'
But I like sharing my films.
In a previous band: Whaddya mean, you haven't seen Top Gun or Weird Science? Here, borrow my copies.
Moving into my current flat: Whaddya mean, you've never seen Aliens? It's the best one. Let's watch it now.
To no one in particular: You've never seen the Big Lebowski? Right, Friday is now officiallly "Lebowski-watching, White russian Drinking Night"
And so on...
"nah mate if you haven't seen his other works you won't get this"
My brother "it's not your thing"
My Ex "it's nothing really...it;s not your kind of thing...[turns to my flatmate] ...anyway as I was saying, Meadows doesn't represent what happened in the north at all......."
and did his entry project for film school....
and this was when I was fucking 15 and didn't know shit about any kind of art really....
If I say that a film is "better than Aliens" that means I think it's good. If I say that it's "worse than Aliens" then I think it's bad.
do you have to act a real dick to others who don't listen to similar music, or do you just have to listen to the 'correct' music?
I've hardly seen any of the classics and I've not been to the cinimar for years, I wouldnt have anything to talk about and they would bore me to death most of the time. So I'll take the music snobs so then I would be able to have somat to talk about at least. Its rare that I've met a music snob that was a real prick about their taste in fact I can only think of one in recent times who didnt have any sense of hummour about it and he was only really into oasis and reading q magazine as tho it was gospel.
I enjoy discussing music on drowned in sounds since a lot of the time it just seems like people recommending artists and bands it a fairly light hearted fashion but IRL all it ever seems to be is people basically saying "oh you can't be into x if you haven't heard y".
With film, perhaps because it's such (relatively) new medium people seem to be open to all sorts of criticisms and discussions regarding it.
I finally watched The Big Lebowski today, such an awesome film possibly my favourite Cohen Brothers film so far.
I find it interesting when I talk about films to someone who hates one I liked or vice versa. When it's about music it just makes me angry because I know my taste in music is fine and don't really want to hear otherwise.
are both pejorative terms right? I don't see why people are trying to make out that one or the other would be interesting to listen to or would be positive in their fanaticism.
Enthusiasts would be interesting depending on how much they know, how wide their interests are, yadda yadda yadda. Not all film or music geeks are going to be vicious snobs or total bores, but it seems like i'm just stating the obvious.
armchair athlete football fans.