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That's very sad. (not a bad shot for someone who is drunk though)
You're doing it wrong
One in one out/Ying Yang/Einstein's theory of relativity/etc
I like the way the crossbow was described as a "romantic gift"
Life is tough up there
The breed 'em big in Hyde.
They should WARN people about that.
Not revenge obviously but punishment is a factor.
This woman deserves a prison sentence for sure.+
He only shot targets and trees as he was a massive hippie and lover of animals.
and buy them. I assume if you wanted a crossbow you could go to an army surplus type store and start from there.
I've done archery stuff for a stag do so all these things must be sourced from somewhere.
There's a gun shop in my town, I imagine you can get crossbows there too. Pop over some time.
so when she inevitably gets a pathetic excuse for a sentence, there'll be people there to make life hell for her. What an incredibly vile person.
I always catch myself at the last minute like, oh no, wait, you *don't* use neighbors' animals for target practice. Ha, close one!
You're simultaneously attempting to defend the indefensible and also not making any sense.
PS people have killed and raped when drunk and angry. Should we go "fuck it, they're just made a bit of a mistake"?
Which makes it a completely different thing and means your point is irrelevant.
Cut it out already.
in that a person is capable of anything - murder, rape, swimming the english channel. doesn't make a lot of it very likely.
honestly, though - quit defending her with such pisspoor arguements. she's a human adult, she has rational thought processes. whilst being drunk can impare these, it doesn't cancel them out and people who use it as an excuse for acting like brainless animals can get to fuck.
especially when the issue in question is about mudering animals...
that anyone could be a killer in the right set of circumstances.
Which may or may not be true (it's obviously impossible to test) but still most people would have a fairly high threshold before resorting to murder.
Everyone on this site is a potential murderer in a certain set of circumstances and provocation. However this case is somebody who killed someone's pet without provocation, which an unusual set of circustances and not one that most of us are capable of repeating. Yes, we've all probably got a level at which we could be pushed to violence but there's a clear distinction between that and being capable of unprovoked vioelence and cruelty.
I don't think anyone is making her a monster or denying she's human. They're just saying what she did was utterly appalling which it was. But we aren't capable of the same - cruelty without provocation is a specific and relatively unusual psychopathology that most people simply would not replicate.
cos she was massively drunk, chilling in her room. and she probably thought "hey these kitchen units in the back garden are way too easy to hit, i am AMAZING AT ARCHERY, fuck that I AM ROBIN HOOD HIMSELF, i bet i could hit that cat lolz"
and thats notvery nice, you just don't go around putting arrows through cats.
don't try and defend her, so what if she was drunk? SHE.SHOT.A.CAT.WITH.A.CROSSBOW.
you're asking the wrong person
plus most people would see it as a completely different situation. you can undertsand, i'm not going to try and explain the differences between a cat and an insect cos i'll look like a twat and you KNOW.
i doubt her aim was that good either
to feel more complex things.
2. Killing an insect isn't going to leave people in a great deal of emotional pain. Killing a pet has the potential of destroying people, and at the very least making them suffer a lot.
3. You really are a complete idiot.
Which is informed by information available about the cognition and nervous system development on various orders and families of animals. I.e Their capacity to feel physical pain and psychological stress.
For example squid and octopus are the only invertabrates covered by the Act because of their comparatively advanced nervous system, no other invertabrates are included.
a) You're wrong. Oxygen and light are needed to sustain all known ecological communites even those around hydrothermal vents. In this case detritus from photosynthetic species contributes to the system as well as chemosynthetic organisms. These are known to be capable of facultative anaerobic respiration, but we have know this for as long as yeast has been used in brewing. Obligate anaerobes are also present in marine sediment.
b) What the hell has that go to do with anything?
Science and the advancement of scientific knowledge has always been an ongoing process, but just because a previous theory was incorrect doesn't mean we should assume that current theories also wrong. We used to think the sun orbited the earth, that doesn't mean it must be wrong in now thinking that the earth orbits the sun.
c)Current scientific knowledge informed by physiology, behavioral studies and is pretty unlikely to be wide of the mark estimating the cognative and stress capacities of animals - the weight of evidence is as good as is for something like gravity. The questions that are now being debated involve the idea that primates and cetaceans experiences emotions very similar to our own.
d)Are you actually a moron or do you just like wasting everyones time and being the centre of attention?
you're getting worse
What an evil little cow.
yeah you know
"I am a decent law abindind citizen, never been in trouble, not even a parking ticket but something like this would tip me over the edge! My work place suffered a £22,000 robbery and the Police didn't even turn up. Getting close to sorting things out for ourselves."
If only everyone abindind by the law. I'd wager that it's pet killings that spark off school/office shootings.
office/school shootings often have been cruel to animals in the past?
"youthscroates", from the first comment.
She's clearly scum.
I hope she gets her head kicked in by some anti-animal cruelty types.
and expecting some sort of vigilante justice from either prisoners or anti animal cruelty people is laughable and not that far removed from the 'lets bring back capital punishment' people everytime a story of child abuse hits the headlines.
There's absolutely no reason to be cruel to animals and this woman should be punished but she's not the devil incarnate.
a) It's only a cat. If one gets run over somewhere no-one gives half a fuck. Why are people suddenly reacting as if this one were a close family relative?!
b) If she shot at from an upstairs window in a garden 20m long, chances are she wasn't really aiming to kill it and was probably surprised when she actually hit it. Some people love put themselves in mortal peril when drunk or for fun (look at kids who play on railways lines). I suspect she was in a similar mindset when she fired that crossbow.
I think its a shit juvenile and reckless thing to do, but I don't think you can go - "oh, she shot a cat, she's evil". If she'd shot it in the face from a foot away then yeah, but I think given what I've read people are going over the top.
b) it's irrelevant whether she fired the arrow with the intention of killing the cat. she should not be firing an arrow from a crossbow at a cat in the first place.
she's 19. she's old enough to be responsible for her actions. alcohol is not an excuse.
But I'm not sure the word 'evil' or wishing her dead / beaten up / crossbow to the ovaries is anywhere near proportionate.
is because the suffering of other creatures is usually ignored/disregarded. It takes a story like this, with a mental weapon and a drunk youth for there to be media coverage.
b)I agree with your reasoning at to why she did it, but she should have thought of the fucking consequences of at least aiming vaguely in the cats' vicinity.
but society is then totally operating on a double standard. Loads of animals suffer intensely when they are killed for food, or for sport. If you take away the fact that this was someones pet there isn't really a huge deal of difference apart from that hunting and eating meat are legitimised by society and this isn't...
are completely right.
Killing neighbours cats for fun, hunting and eating meat are morally more much similar than people tend to realise.
I really can't tell
and yes people do care if one has gotten run over, you fuck
someone should do this to you
she looks like a frumpy middle aged bint
She looks fuckin' 40!
God, you all make me sick. I hope you all get shot in the ovaries.
when all you want to do is bait someone on an online forum? Everyone on DiS is a potential baiter.
I have literally no idea what you're talking about. I'm here for cheap laughs and that's about it. I suppose this bint should get a relatively tough sentence but she hasn't got my blood boiling as yet.
Maybe with all our research combined, we'll finally crack this nut.
you've entertained me with this thread
we amuse you? we make you laugh, we're here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How are we funny?
admittedly I did cap a Robin with a Glock bb gun in my younger days but if flew off, albeit a bit gingerly, so I imagine it went on to live a happy and prosperous life
Almost certainly died. Small passerines cark it really easily.
I would chew bubble gum and kick ass.
If it was her cat and she shot it and ate it, would that still be wrong ?
It's still animal cruelty, isn't it? The cat wasn't killed quickly, it bled to death trying to drag itself home.
If it was her cat, and she shot it through the brain causing instant death, then ate it, would that still be wrong ?
Go peddle your post-modernist moral ambiguity bullshit somewhere else.
I presume you don't eat meat then ?
Stupid, vacantly amoral, superficially evil, vacuous wastes of oxygen. Blights on society? Not really, because these people don't consider "society" exists. They believe they are the world, the warm little center of this planet, and everything else is but an object to be manipulated and/or cannibalized.
I'm tired of seeing a generation of sociopaths thrive on our "understanding", on our shameless excuse-making: Well, she was drunk, she was abused as a youngster, she's unemployed and frustrated, she has anger issues, etc, etc.
I'm so sick of picking up a paper and reading about how gang (x) on some kitchen sink estate poured petrol over a puppy and threw a match on it. Tired of taking a walk around my local park only to leave after five minutes because a gang of gurning mouth breathers, societal rejects unable to function within the parameters of normal human interaction, would rather shoot up heroin, drink cider, or handbrake turn around the football field in their stolen cars than get off their worthless arses and do something beneficial with the few talents they have.
I'm proposing something fairly simple, and I don't think it would be a bad thing. Anyone who commits any crime worse than, say, shoplifting is to be chemically castrated, spayed, neutered, and left to rot in their grotty tower blocks. If the woman in question was pregnant, I would propose we abort the child with the crossbow she used with such gleeful abandon. This would be infinitely preferable to the life the child would have should it stick around to be raised by this fat fucking slob.
I am sick of white working-class people. I am white and working-class, so I am understandably uneasy saying this, but it's true. I am sick to death of them.
also, I can identify with the white working class thing
I'd shoot her between the eyes. In all the times I've been totally wasted I have never wanted to shoot an animal with a fucking crossbow. What is the matter with people?!
about how much we're indulging this sort of idiot. She'll get a non-sentence and will be laughing about it as we speak. Fuck them all.
says Al Capone in the comments.
but I'd gladly go and torture her myself