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I'd stick with Ravi myself. I think Rob Key is a fat useless wreck.
Flintoff in for Harmison, probs my only change
The dressing room!!!!! LOLZOROLF.
I forgot about him, he always escapes my mind. He shouldn't have been in in the first place 'imho', but I would be very wary of taking him out for the last test. The replacement options are...Trott? Nah. Ramps? Nah. Tresco? Nah. Key? Nah.
Basically, I'm not happy with any of it.
Is he's able to play, then him. If not, Rob Key.
Let's put a man who suffers from depression into the single most presurised scenario imaginable and see what happens. Maybe he'll actually break down on the square.
I love Tresco, but I think it's best not to go there
or even drop him down to 5 or 6?
the ECB must have a load of sports psychologists. IF he's up for it and they're happy with him it's worth a shot.
I can feel it
that we've scored one century to their seven so far just means we're due six in this test
plus he's scored about a million centuries already this season
PLUS he puts up with justin langer week in week out so he'll be immune to any sledging
win win win
Cook got out for 4.
If England were still 1-0, get him out there to bat out all 5 days
Lets chuck in Ramprakash
Go on, why not
Assuming Trescothick can't do it, and Miller ruled him out anyway. In fact I'd be happy with anyone but Bell or Bopara.
Which I believe is the same place Warne once took a 5fer drunk
I think Key and Ramps are two players who are too good for county cricket but can't quite make that move to test for whatever reason. So they're doomed forever more to pillage runs against county attacks
And his future is further down the order.
But I feel dropping him now would be extremely detrimental.
Maybe they'll pick Key and I'll eat my words
1 for joe, 1 for "bammers"
I do have the feeling Key has been harshly treated - dropped in SA 2005 after a series and a bit and a double hundred, partially at least because KP was qualifying soon and they had to make room for him. He is more robust than Ramps ever was, plus he is an opener so can adapt better to 3. It's one of those arguments which can only be solved by seeing how he does if he gets picked. I think he should play, but if he gets 10 and 20 I'll happily eat my words. Bopara just needs to be rested, he looks like a trainwreck at the moment.
Carberry is who I think shold bat 3, but he doesn't appear to be in contention atm.
otherwise drop harmison for flintoff, keep ravi, drop him forevermore if he scores less than 30 in either innings
I've never felt more confident in a bet in my life.
If no one out of the challengers does much, then probably have to go for Rob Key. You can't allow the two failures of that middle order. There has to be at least one change.
Please not Ramprakash. If Trescothick is keen to play, I'd probably be tempted.
Also, anyone see this:
"The ashes big top moves on to leeds! It's great being part of the circus - as long as i'm more lion tamer than clown!"
"Hope the weather is better these next two days - i want to wear my new sunglasses. We can still win this!!"
It's brilliant. Almost funny enough to make up for the real Ian Bell.
I'd give them what for.
even all 3. If tres is up for it he has to open, therefore drop cook down the order. If all 3 get picked then drop bell, collingwood and bopara. Bollocks to all this 'too many changes will unsettle the team' nonsense, the middle order have proved themselves time and time again to be incapable test batsmen. The last test was the only time in test history where nos. 3, 4 and 5 failed to reach double figures in either innings of a test match. HEADS MUST ROLL!
He has a good mentality to come in for this match and score runs. I just can't see Bopara scoring runs and there's no point keeping him in the side just because it's the last Test and we've had him there all along, it's going to do no one any good keeping him there.
I'd also drop Bell because he's useless, just like the last years of Vaughan, just because he's 'pretty' to watch when they play against shite opposition doesn't excuse the fact he consistently plays feebley and looks like getting out.
Tres and Ramps aren't viable options. I'd have Trott at 4, he's in form and we need form players.
Flintoff in for Harmy although i do feel sorry for Harmy.
They're going to be tempted to play Monty, god i hope they don't.
The man is class.
Hopefully he'll get a big score in the Lions game, pretty annoying he's not being mentioned as a serious candidate.
to be included in the tour to South Africa this autumn.
Good God, how rubbish are england's batsmen?
so that's cook 4, bell 1, bopara 1, trott 15. 21 runs. Assuming it's twice as hard to score runs in a test than in a county game our middle order should make at least 10 runs per innings!
i started trying to write a list of who i'd pick, but once you get past the pipe-dreams-summoned-from-retirement-bit it all get's too depressing.
the problem is that with pietersen out there are a lot of long term slots suddenly open in our batting order. i've always wanted ian bell to fill one of them but he's almost impossible to defend these days. it's one thing to get out to a lot of good balls, which he does, but it's another thing to become mitchell johnson's bunny almost instantly.
so yeah, debutantes or old men? i vote old men for august and then denly and carberry at 3 and 4 for winter tour, with bell or bopara batting at 6.
on another controversial topic, harmison has to play at the oval. the pitch won't help anyone else apart him and flintoff (and even him only on the defensive). there's no room for two swingers in a squad at the oval, so onions has to go.
Such a stylish player, but a backbone made of sugar paper
I like him, I love watching him bat coming in at 350/4 when the pressure's off. You wouldn't want him next to you in the trenches though.
It seems as though he may well play as he wasn't released to Durham, unlike Onions, and both were equally rubbish in the last game.
The oval may well suit him, he bowled really well in the dead rubber against South Africa last year, so I guess he could be worth a go, but it does seem pretty harsh on Onions after his showing at Edgbaston. Maybe England's idiotic "let's bounce them out" plan from the last game could work at the oval.
because everyone else was bowling the way he's supposed to bowl. i think it rather undermined him, especially given the complete absence of pressure that was building up. i'm hoping he'll have more luck when freds in harness alongside him. he'll be happier and he'll have some back up.
llb: yes, onions is probably the more incisive seamer at the moment, but anderson is senior and he'll play ahead of onions. foolish but there it is.
and back to bell - did everyone hear that he's signed a sponsorship deal for bell's whisky apparently.
i can see the advert now: the camera focuses on bell at the crease, close up so the player becomes a blur. you can't tell who it is but you can hear the sound of the bat on ball.. one clear hit, another, faint applause from the boundary and the blowers singing raptures... and then the faint sound of a knick and ball hitting glove. and as the camera pans back to take in the departing cricketer and his hang dog expression, suddenly we recognise our hero, the forlon ian bell. and then the final scene, as agnew's comentary plays in the background describing another england collapse the camera winds through the england dressing room to where ian bell pours himself three fat fingers of bell's whisky, raises it to the camera, and mutters something about it not being his day...
or anyone else without Test experience. If they're going to bring someone in it should be Key. He's in form and has nothing to lose. Ramprakash would be on his home ground but I think would be under too much pressure. Putting Trescothick's name forward is unfair to him I reckon.
we don't need that much batting and a he did get 6-91 in the last test, he'll probably score more runs than Ravi anyway.
...followed by being timed out in the final one, but actually leaving the ground dressed in only his boxers down Harleyford Road when the first wicket goes down, walking out under a bus.
We should promote Broad to open with cook. LOOK IT WORKED FOR THE AUSSIES WITH WATSON DIDN'T IT?
I stated this as a joke mid-test. Now I'm thinking actually we don't have many other options. Seriously.
A few other points:
1) A lot of people are talking about dropping Colly which I think is a bit misguided. He didn't score many in the last test or so, but he's got the bottle for a fight. He's also the only double centurion in the team (and that against Australia).
2) NO HARMISON. What is wrong with you people? Seriously? Did those of you advocating retaining him not watch the last test, or did the highlights package each day airbrush over his appalling rankly bad bowling. And don't blame the captain or the plan, unless the plan was 'spray the ball about' he wasn't following it.
Is he still alive? He's the best number 3 in recent British history.
Seriously though, I'd pick Rob Key then get him to fake an injury when we're fielding and get someone who can move on the pitch.
I do like the idea of Ramprakash returning for ONE FINAL MATCH!!! though - couple of centuries, wins us the Ashes.
he could bat on a chair
he could bat with no hair
No Harmison and a stronger middle order.
yep, you've convinced me, send that to the selectors and wait for them to bring home the Ashes.