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breaking news on BBC website: Kelvin Davis turns down move to West Ham.
after disappointing spells with Wigan and in Turkey.
Godspeed Julius, Godspeed.
Cesc Fabregas (Arsenal) to Real Madrid
Mirko Vucinic (AS Roma) to Spurs
Sulley Muntari (Inter) to Spurs
Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Inter) to Manchester United
Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink (Celtic) to Bristol City
I'm still sort of thinking:
a) Surely that can't be true?
b) That'd be fucking brilliant.
c) But if he's still any good as a striker what the Hell would he be doing signing for us?
a) Gary Johnson says he's confident it's gonna happen
b) He will be 31 years old by the end of the year
c) See b). Celtic didn't want him any more and so far no top club has claimed any interest in him
I mean I reckon City probably are in for him since everyone says we are but Gary Johnson's got a policy of not commenting on naming names until the deal's complete, which he does seem to generally keep to (and can be a bit frustrating) so I'd be surprised if there is a quote directly attributable to him about it.
b)/c) Even so you'd think someone bigger than Bristol City'd go in for him. I mean sort of clubs in the lower end of the EPL or the very upper end of the Championship. I mean we've already got Hartley this week so our record of signing released Celtic players is pretty good but, even with his injury's Jan V-H's scoring record for Celtic is pretty stunning (something like 38 9in 80 games) and I'm amazed clubs like Hull, Burnley, Newcastle etc. aren't in for him.
b) no, it won't
c) he's not any good as a striker anymore
Have the Orcs signed anyone yet?
Makes sense, why wouldn't Roma want to sell one of the best 3 players, supposedly for as little as £20m in an inflated market to a team that regularly overpays for players?
makes my sides split
They are more or less the same player (though I'd say Ibrahimovic is slightly better)
He's one of those players that I've never seen put in a good performance all the times I've watched him.
I'd much rather United signed Huntelaar.
Ibrahimovic is similar to Ribery in that's he's a very good player but not one that'd justify the extortionate transfer fee that'd be involved.
a)a team that can afford him
b)a team that needs some kind of cultured Balkan turbo-charged Mark Viduka that is most effective as a lone leading striker/target man with support from midfield and/or decent service from traditional wingers
b)is not Man Utd
I can't see United going for him. That'd leave us with 3 x £30m strikers, plus Michael Owen and probably 2 out of Manucho, Welbeck & Campbell.
If we are to sign another striker, I'd guess it'd need to be someone who's happy to be third in line/not guaranteed a start every week.
I mean he did with Hargreaves admittedly so it could be true but it seems an un-Ferguson-esque move.
Re Berbatov, good point.
Who were both >24 at the time.
I think the Glazers have tried to make it one of the important criteria when signing "big" players, and SAF had always tried to keep to this before their arrival anyway.
Veron was a case of having too much money, and just wanting to splash it on someone. Although I still maintain Veron was fantastic in Europe for us!
Hendon beat Hayes 1-0 last night in their first friendly of the summer. In not such good news, keeper Will Viner has left the club in order to play at a higher level.
I'd rather have Sam Tanner based on what I've seen of him to date. Only parts where Will's better for me are penalty stops and his height.
No Binnsy last night :(
Shame there was no Binnsy. Looking forward to see Sam Tanner.
and come over to mine to do some washing up for me. Made sense to go to Hayes.
Sam had little to do, but did what there was well & Berkley looks a bit more confident, but still clearly a second choice. New bloke at 7 did well, the no 4 less so. Most of the rest we know what we're getting anyway.
Was very impressed with Hayes' 11, whoever he was.
seemed relatively impressed with Sam Berry. Sounds like we need to make sure he doesn't go on a mid-season holiday (assuming we sign him). Hayes' 11 was Darren Ellams. Appears he was at Wycombe last season.
How did I not find out anyway until today?
Thought you'd have heard it on the grapevine. He's at Grays now.
and thought it was old news by then. New manager's gutted last season's squad by all accounts. Total rebuild - although the best left during the season anyway with Hamici going to Sutton, Gary Noel at Harrow and so on.
The squad that me and Sparks saw in the tail end of the season against Sittinbourne was so very different to the start of the season anyway it felt like watching a different club.
I'm sure that Junior Kadi could have found himself a club in a higher division as just a player if he'd wanted rather than doing the assistant thing. Could take a little while to gel though.
Why did nobody tell me about this?
suuuuuuper, super Kel,
suuuuuuper, super Kel,
super Kelvin Davis.
Not since MLT has one man shown one club such committment. West Ham lose out on a decent Premier League bench warmer, Saints hold on to the best keeper in League One by a country mile.
Just a fucking fantastic couple of days
think he was just after security. I'm pretty sure that he would have been paid more at West Ham than he would with us, though I couldn't see him getting a game if Green was fit. This way he's achieved near-legend status with Saints fans.
Rather than a team of 11 Matt le Tiss, I'd have a team of 10 Matt le Tiss and one Kelvin Davis. I can pay the bloke no higher compliment
So the opinion on the blues message boards seem to me a little dumb, loads of people saying they don't know anyone who i want him, eh? I do, he'd definitely be an asset to our team, who cares about the past in a purely footballing sense he would be a good thing. Also we wouldn't be reliant on him, if it all goes wrong so what, i can't imagine his contract will be hard to get out of what with all the other clubs queing up for him.
Big eck! Sign joey, please!
(note to Soapy, yes THE stephen carr, he palyed for us at the end of last season, i was at his first game at Palace he was ok, and will be a good thing to work alongside our new and new to the prem centre halves)
oh yeah and Quinton Fortune, come off it, we don't want him we don't need him, he's only at our training ground cos he can't afford a gym membership.
no i don't really belive anyone can handle Barton it's upto him entirely. I also don't necessarily think McLeish is the man to handle the Blues, he is not loved and only just held onto his job last season as the board, rightly so, didn't want to fire anyone. I honeslty believe he could be the first prem manager to go next season and i still think we'd stay up. We should have gone up easily and only did so in the end cos Reading lost the plot and Sheff Utd couldn't get an away win.
I've thought the same thing numerous times with him, but he can't be trusted not to fuck it up. It's built into him somehow. That red card at Anfield was the last of many final straws for me last season.
and reinstate them in the Blue Square North. They'll start the season on -10 points.
As always. I'm beginning to think John Moules might not have been so shit as his job after all.
in Webbsfleet's demise before allowing him complete redemption.
European super league - when, not if
a load of twonk, or really quite depressing? (until City crash in, natch)
and then I can concentrate on the parts of the media that won't be covering it. It'll take the top level of football to yet another, even more sanatised level where money is even more important.
people were saying this over ten years ago - no more signs now than there were then.
Where's Villa or Spurs in that list?
at least for those not involved or owned by rich individuals.
TV money is the life blood for the vast majority of clubs, most in the Prem operate at a loss even with the vast sums from the deal with Sky/BBC/ESPN, take the likes of United out of the league and it's tough to see the braodcast rights attracting even half as much. Plus sponsorship of the leagues and the clubs will drop off because a lot of the commecial appeal has gone.
I don't normally subscribe to the 'Billionaire owner will probably sod off when he gets bored' opinion, but where's the attraction in sticking about if you're club isn't where the'glamour' is?
Will there even be a system of promotion/relegation between the Super League and the domestic leagues? I doubt it because why would the clubs involved want that? They are the 'big names' attracting the TV companies and sponsers so why let anyone else in at their expense? So if you're out, that's it, your club will exist in an anaemic league at the top of the second tier.
It could be a good thing and allow football's finances to revert to a more sensible level.
I'd happily let those that wanted to go and play in some inflated European Super League do so and sod promotion / relegation. Let them play on the moon or Jupiter.
There will be no reason why domestic competition cannot continue as well as continental club competition. Granted, the quality won't be as high as it is now but I'd be far more inclined to watch it.
'Ha ha! Move over Roman, here's someone with even more money than you, taste of your own medicine etc' - that sort of thing?
It's a load of shit.
"City's very public pursuit of the England captain has annoyed and divided Chelsea which is why this great irony is so funny". Who has it annoyed? City have made two private bids for Terry, both of which have been rejected. The rejections were made public in an attempt to stop rumour-mongering.
It's a stupid, self-fulfilling article. Newspaper fabricate a story out of a rejected bid. Newspaper then fabricates a story about the club who rejected the bid getting wound up by the bid. Newspaper then writes an article about how funny it is they're wound-up.
Think about it; there's been no statement on Terry from City and none from Chelsea, save that on rejecting the bid. If (and it's a big if) negotiations are ongoing or City have "done a Chelsea" and parked a tank full of banknotes at Roman's door, they've done it privately. The Terry mini-saga is really tedious and based completely on wilfull misgivings and pure fabrication on the part of journalists.
It goes without saying that it's a load of shit
I've had about 9 years of reading shit about Chelsea day-in, day-out! And c'mon pal, you know that I'm not taking it seriously c'os there's no way it's gonna happen as far as I'm concerned.
It's only people wound-up and divided by the story are the illeterate populous of f365's board, and they get wound-up about everything. If anything I think it's a bit funny that the press are still running with it and people (including myself) are still talking about it.
"Have you heard the latest in the Terry/City story?"
"No, what's happened now?"
When I have a reason to think he's going, then I'll reconsider. Until then all we've got is silence, after the club released a statement specifically saying that no-one at the club would be commenting on the offer/rumours again.
Dunno anything about a contract, only 2 or 3 people would. It would have probably been this season that it would be renewed anyway.
if he did sign for City. He's what, 28? 29? So got perhaps 3 years left at the very top level. Presumably, having come so close he really wants to win the Champions League - with the best will in the world he's not going to do that at City. He's unlikely to add much beyond an FA Cup or League Cup Winners medal if anything. Chelsea are hardly pushing him out of the club and with Carvalho likely to be on his way it just makes no sense. Robinho was different, he's in his early 20s and has time on his side. If Real, Juve, Inter or Barca were being linked with him then I suspect DK would be less certain that he would be sticking around.
In fact, if he hands in a transfer request I wouldn't be surprised if other clubs came knocking.
is this based on anything other than him not saying anything? I haven't really paid this thing that much attention so might have missed something significant.
remind me why the move makes common sense for Terry?
he probably hopes to earn more.
Besides, I'd take £7.7m a year and a 'couple more FA Cups' over £15m and no medals any day.
Good typo though, would do again
That's silly even for you.
£7.7m per year is hardly putting your family's future in jeopardy is it?
then my family's future is sorted, innit?
I don't see that money is a great pull here, tbh. According to these rumours he's got two options: being a multi-millionaire living in the lap of luxury at a club where you are adored and have/will win things OR being a multi-millionaire living in the lap of luxury and spend the twilight of your career struggling for a Europa Cup place.
As you said, it's about "his family's future", y'know, the stuff that he couldn't possibly give them on just £7.7m pa.
I think what I've said is perfectly reasonable really. If someone offered me a raise that, although impressive on paper, wouldn't really change my quality of life and made my terms of work much worse, I wouldn't take it. Not 'cos I'm principled or a bastion of human morality, but because it wouldn't make sense.
Similarly, it "seems" that JT can get more money at City. But at what cost? He's already got pretty much everything he could ever want and money could buy.
I expect it's why City missed out on Kaka and will probably miss out on Eto'o, and why Chelsea have been knocked back in the past.
and it's a good point. Moving wouldn't necessarily ruin his England career but it would be an odd gamble to take at this stage of his career.
He'll stay. I don't really even think there is a story behind all this or that Terry is even slightly conflicted right now.
But we've both got our points across
the two scenarios are really comparable except for the ratio of salary increase.
I think anyone who's been in a shit job that they hated would at very least consider a lesser paid but 'better' job.
But keep in mind that top-flight footballers don't have money worries (a few gamblers aside!). They don't need to take/keep the worse option because they need the money.
Maybe Terry/any player City bid for will grab the money and run. But I think it's equally as likely (at very least) that other factors will be as or more important to them. It's silly to see people in such one-dimensional terms.
Personally I think they stand to lose much more than City gain. They lose a leader who's as intrinsic to the club as Adams was to Arsenal or Keane to United, whereas City get a good player and a bit of a boost for their profile.
It's by no means certain that he could transfer the same level of desire, drive, influence etc to a club he has no affinity with such as City.
Albeit from the bench
done his knee in.
We really do. I hate our policy towards young players, especially considering we sign so many of them. There never seems to be any genuine opportunity for any of them to break through into the first team. I don't really understand what our managers expect to happen - that one day the likes of Taarabt and Giovani will put in some stunning performance in training, confirming their suitability to play in the Premier League week in, week out? It's bizarre. But I still hope we sign this guy. Based on a 4 minute summary of his entire career so far.
Lennon, Bale, Gunter, Huddlestone, O'hara play significant amounts of PL games last season...and Mason, Obika, Parrett, Bostock and Townshend get UEFA cup experience?
As for those who 'don't get a chance' GDS was injured for a lot of last season, whilst taarabt decided the best way to take his chances (and he's had a few) was by ignoring his team-mates at every opportunity...
Generally speaking, Spurs are pretty good for the youngsters - at one point twowards the end of last season we had 15 players out on loan (mainly youngsters), which is a superb effort by a Premier League club, and will have done those players' chances of progressing (especially the real young'uns) no harm at all, whether within Spurs or elsewhere...
Bale was signed as a prodigy, and hasn't really featured much under Harry anyway.
Gunter's had a significant number of games? No.
Huddlestone's been in and out of the team since we signed him, and no one could reasonably say that he's had a fair crack of the whip. He puts in a good performance, then he's out of the team the next match.
O'Hara is the one notable exception, but he's shit so I don't care.
The point about Mason et al getting games in the UEFA Cup is ridiculous - you and I both know it was largely in an effort to keep first teamers fresh for the league.
Young players who have been loaned out and impressed, or impressed in the reserves, or who didn't get a chance to do either, only to be shipped on without a proper chance in the first team, or look like they're going to be: Giovani, Taarabt, Pekhart, El Hamdaoui, Dervite, Boateng. They're not even given chances to adapt to the English game, so what the fuck's the point of signing them?
I'll give *you* £20 million.
have signed the Hibs captain Gary Jones for club record, about £350k. I think our chairman has had a funny turn, mind we needed better defenders for this season in the Championship.
It doesn't seem that there is a replacement readily lined up like it seemed Pinnacle had. Hopefully it's because the new owners want a new 'statement of intent' manager and not them needlessly sacking him. I was a fan of Wotte - he had a bloody hard job to do when he took over and was dignified throughout, clearly did his best. It all depends on who replaces him really. It would be nice if we had a manager for more than six months.
SSN are reporting this now. Absolute done deal
with some players who are even uglier than him. Dirk "face trying to escape from itself" Kuyt might have sealed the deal
Reading were there once and Glen Little, the fucking cunt, was playing 'the fool' and said I looked like 'Kuyty'.
I think he looks like that oddball from the Goonies.
Probz would've been more impressive than "More custard sir?"