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Labour havent got any countys on the bbc chart.
0 councils, 22 seats.
8 councils, 166 seats.
according to the site BNP have nothing, nor UKIP
The people of Donny are smart.
8,000 of them voted BNP as well?!
I've never been a fan of the place, but this is just helping confirm what a fucking hole that place is.
You can probably in that case guarantee 8,000 votes for the BNP in the Euro eleciton....
that shocking tbh
i can almost find it reasonable, looking from some points of view. not mine, but i can see why people would.
not ethnically cleanse people..
huge generalisation about a group of people? *taps irony meter*
they are one of the main targets.
i thought they wanted to only deport "people of the wrong colour"?
so you are saying they want to deport the hundreds of thousands of people of certain ethnicities, such as 'people of the wrong colour' and 'slavs', but not the hundreds of thousands of austrailians who come here every year looking for jobs?
but are you just contradicting Vikram out of habit or what? I don't think it can be argued that the BNP are not, at their heart, basically a bunch of racist fucks.
you can't call everyone who votes for the BNP a cunt despite finding the idea of it despicable. There are people out there who genuinely don't have the intelligence to realise what they're voting for, it doesn't necessarily make them racist... well not knowingly racist anyway.
this is what i mean about seeing some reasoning about it. they just see a party who will "get british jobs for british people". or is that labour?
Whether rightly or wrongly.
if one group is telling the truth one has to be lying. i dont think people who believe in BNP/UKIP propaganda would believe a word that labour/conservative parties say.
is a complete racist.
and I doubt you really believe that either
You are just making yourself look a bit silly.
Isn't that exactly the kind of thing the BNP would say to you?
the BNP aren't gonna take power and no-one will be deported. THAT. WILL. NOT. HAPPEN.
I understand I might be as upset as you if I was from an ethnic minority, but this is a protest vote pure and simple. And that's about the 10th time you've said scum. Use a different word cos it's just making you seem silly and unintelligent.
wouldn't be noticed. Whereas a vote for the BNP will be noticed
If you were a politician I reckon what you have said would guarantee people would vote for the BNP again.
(or who said he will) He is in a long-term relationship with a asian girl.
He said he is gonna vote for the BNP candidate here because he hopes that a vote for them now will force Lab/Con to really listen to people.
This is purely anecdotal of course, but not everyone who has voted for the BNP is a 'nasty horrid person'
or a dyed-in-the-wool racist.
I doubt it.
and he said he wouldn't tell his girlfriend.
Essentially we're at an impasse. I can't really understand how this news makes you feel, and you can't or won't believe that a vote for the BNP in these elections doesn't neccessarily make you racist scum.
First of all you're confusing people being willing to vote for a party that are racist with people being willing to vote for a party because they are racist.
Secondly you're taking "because they're racist" as an answer to why people vote BNP. "Because they're racist" isn't an answer to anything - it just raises more questions about why they are racist and why they're voting for racist policies.
Ultimately the sad thing is that your inadvertently probably explaining how the BNP have gained so much support in recent years - i.e. people dismiss them and their supporters as "bad" people without asking questions about what makes people vote for an extremist party, and the failure to ask those questions leads to the failure to answer them.
Mainstream politicians are especially guilty of this - they're constantly trying to convince people it would be "bad" to vote BNP but but engaging with the question of why it happens.
The sad truth is that the BNP's success has rested on one simple straight-forward strategy which is the cornerstone of a lot of successful marketing - target the group who nobody else is targetting. Over the last 50 years the working-classes, and perhaps especially the white working classes, have gone from being perceived as the salt of the Earth foundation of society to at best an archaic irrelavence and at worst racist scum. The traditional working-class party (i.e. Labour) have abandoned them to try to capture the centre-right and effectively they no longer have a voice in British politics.
Therefore it isn't so suprising that when a party comes along and says "we're here for you and nobody else is" it's not surprising when some people respond to that. Luckily there are still plenty of people who are sensible enough to see them as extremists but there are sadly a certain number of people who will either embrace or, I suspect more often, choose to ignore the extremism as they want a voice and they want somebody to take an interest in them and no other party wants to.
Now we can rant and rave and call these people "nasty", "horrid", "evil", "stupid" or anything else we want and we can continue to alienate them further. We'll all feel perfectly smug and self-righteous for having done so but at the cost of the BNP continuing to grow.
The only viable ways anyone is going to "stop" the BNP isn't by moralising and sermonising but by either Labour starting to take an interest in the working-classes again or a party arriving that does.
Otherwise sadly the BNP will continue to gain support for the simple reason that, at the moment, they're competing for votes of people everyone else has either forgotten or taken for granted.
Yes, there are 'non-sensible' people out there who are racist voting for the BNP. But there are, similarly, people who have brain cells who are as well. I think I'm past the stage where I need to expressly state that I find their voting choice abhorrent, but that doesn't alter what I'm saying.
I shall pass on your kinds comments to them.
its definitely 'wrongly', but its what im saying when i say i can see why people would vote for them in a certain climate.
also, unlike Vikram is saying, i think people have a much bigger problem with polish and other eastern european immigrants than black or asian people. thats certainly what ive found in my experience.
If people were easily influenced, surely the fact that every single other party is vehemently opposed to the BNP's very existence would have some sway in their minds.
not being able to find a job, or not having enough housing/overcrowding etc. or simply being frightened into believing that immigrants coming to Britain are causing problems for them in one way or another. I genuinely don't think you can categorically say that everyone who votes BNP is racist, knowingly or otherwise. It's a racist vote and some people that vote for them are indeed racist but I think you're underestimating the backing that a party like the BNP can create for itself by concentrating on issues that people are worried about, there is no way that everyone will realise that it's racist to vote BNP.
It would be very naive of YOU not to believe that some people in this country don't really have the intelligence to be immune to the influence of the BNP. What level of intelligence do you think most people that vote BNP have? I'd be willing to bet that it isn't very high which ever way you decide to measure it.
A lot of them aren't that bright lets be honest here, there will be another group of people that are racist. vikram calling them ALL racist cunts is just plain wrong and what I'm arguing against.
possibly understandable from your point of view but ridiculous nonetheless.
they don't believe it's a racist party. or don't believe themselves to be 'racist' by voting for them? a lot of people went along with the Nazis, didn't they. but didn't necessarily believe they were racist. they thought they were doing what was best for the country. and i think this is what BNP supporters may believe? or suchlike anyway. a lot of them are probably nasty crazies, but there may be a lot of people who just don't fully understand it. i dunno.
If it was ever likely to actually happen. Maybe.
I wouldn't say everybody who has voted for the BNP today is a 'nasty person'
which simply isn't the case. If the BNP can put a convincing argument across and people don't believe they're actually racist, then surely you can understand why some people might be persuaded to vote for them. There is absolutely no way that every single BNP voter knows what they're voting for, or understands what a vile racist party they are. They will have heard opinions that the party are racist but that doesn't necessarily mean they'll believe it.
In a respect they're nationalist-socialists, and since NL abandoned their traditional clause 4 stuff, the BNP have picked up on that.
I was back in town the other day talking in a pub about politics to some blokes. They hate Labour for moving to the right (financially), hate the Tories because of Maggie, are totally anti-Lib Dem and see no-one else to go for. One chap said while he admitted there was a nasty streak in the BNP, their policies won him over regardless.
i undertand the politics of mass effect better than i understand real pololitics
It's the jumped indie prick who's taken a disliking to Bamnan just to raise his online profile.
but it's some kind of bank I think.
It was created on 23 May 2000 through the merger of Banque Nationale de Paris (BNP) and Paribas.
ashamed of my city birth
let alone get seats! I'm angered that they can put their shitty leaflets through our doors in the first place. This nonsense should be made illegal. I agree with freedom of speech but the line has to be drawn somewhere.
I think legislating their validity away would be counter-productive. Democracy will sort itself out. If people want to vote for them, let them vote for them. When huge errors on the BNP's part are made, say "we told you so" and reclaim the vote.
Plus it would be completely hypocritical, amongst other things.
but then we become the kind of society that silences people they don't agree with for anything.
you believe in free speech but not for some people?
if they have the power to influence others with views like that.
claiming you believe in freedom of speech means jack shit unless you believe in it for people you find to be offensively wrong.
but if abusing your power and influencing weak-minded people with views which could be harmful to society is classed as "freedom of speech" then I guess I'm against it then.
(I'm not saying all BNP voters are weak-minded as that wouldn't be right would it?)
I'm just saying that they shouldn't have the power to influence or change society.
In a way we take them a bit too seriously. They're a small nonsense party and the more people react in horror when they win seats, and the more they write about them, the more prominent and credible they become.
If people gave 'em no more attention than other parties that got a similar number of votes I honestly think it'd help.
I would in no way stand up and endorse the BNP, but if their (for now) relatively insignificant progress it bothers you ~that~ much, then campaign for someone opposed to them who is more aligned with your position and get voter turnout up.
but if I've understood this right Lancashire County Council now consists of 5 Lib Dems and 1 BNP member. I don't want to stereotype or owt but wont council meetings just involve the 5 self-righteous middle-class do-gooders casting disapproving glances at the racist in the corner?
and always why one or two candidates will be pretty harmless
How the town is split directly between soppy left losers and skinhead rightwingers.
I think the Lib Dem voters probably know very little about them but don't want to vote for the 2 main ones or the racist one or the other pointless ones.
in some regions support for Lab/Tory has collapsed.
Apparently, according to the BBC, the national share of the vote is as follows:
Plugging these into Electoral Calculus (General Election seat calculator*) gives interesting results:
Con majority of 30
So despite LibDems outpacing Lab by 5% in the populare vote, if this were a General Election* then they'd still only get half the number of seats.
*(I know it's not a GE, but in the 1983 general election, the SDP-Libs won 25% of the national vote, close behind Labour's 28%. Because of the "first-past-the-post" electoral system, only 23 SDP-Lib MPs were elected compared to Labour's 209.)
too thinly spread out?
whereas Labour is more concentrated in industrial areas - they are pretty much guaranteed 100 seats in the North West alone. If the Lib Dems can crack the big cities then Labour would be shot.
THERE'S NO SUCH THING IN THE UK AS A FIRST PAST THE POST SYSTEM.
PLEASE STOP USING THIS STUPID TERM
Yes there is. It's used in general elections.
it must fucking suck to be the BNP councillor actually. everytime he walks in the door there'll be a chorus of pantomine "boooooo"s. brilliant.
one of the 5 LibDems stands behind the door with a tape recorder with something like thunder or a church organ on it just for the occasion
They will never get into power
underneath any amount of sharp suits, designer facial hair or any other means of disguise, look at their fucking eyes.
looks like a magician
"We live in a country today which is unhealthily dominated by an excess of sentimentality towards the weak and unproductive. No good will come of it"
Emile Durkheim eat your fucking heart out
currently hold four more seats than labour.
i might leave the country!
A relative handful of morons have secured a seat for one BNP candidate in a shithole town off the back of unprecedented disaffection with the major parties.
What will this mean? Errrrrm....nothing.
This reminds me of those LOLtastic 'If Boris winzzz I think I might leave London!!!11' threads.
it shows britains slow move to the right and the downfall of labour which i personally find deppresing.
and yes - im sure people did move from london after boris got elected! tbh im still embarrassed that the capital city of england can have a useless bastard clown in such an important position
was 'left wing' in economic terms but that meant fuck all once he got into power when they quickly abandoned any notion of socialism.
fascism is by its very nature anti working class, and I don't see why a BNP government would in reality be any different.
you of all people have mentioned their policies on immigration. we are fully in agreement vikram
firstly, not sure blaming the white working class is the right way to go. A lot of their members from their leaked list were middle class!
They are two reasosn to vote for the BNP. You agree with their racist views, or your too stupid to realise they are racist. Either reason deserves contempt.
more than contempt.
But I hear ya.