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NSFW if you don't want to end up crying.
it's all just so horrific, it makes me feel sick.
cos i was about to cry.
'Madam, – I was the first person in Ireland on the panel of the Late Late Show, over 40 years ago, to accuse the Irish Christian Brothers of abusing our children. On the panel with me that night were Senator Sean Brosnan, secretary of the INTO at the time, and Paddy Crosbie (School around the Corner), secondary school teacher. When I alleged that the Christian Brothers were abusing our children both Paddy Crosbie and Sean Brosnan verbally attacked me and denied that the Irish Christian Brothers were doing anything but good. Ulick O’Connor and Dr Cyril Daly were also on the panel that night and Dr Cyril Daly was the only person who supported me. When the programme finished, I was threatened with physical violence by a member of the audience who has now passed away.
The next day was Sunday and people shouted at me on the street and said I should be ashamed of myself “for biting the hand that fed me”. I was no longer invited to some family gatherings, my favourite aunt cut me out of her will and my children were ostracised in school. I am glad to say that I lived long enough to be vindicated.
I was invited onto the panel that night because I was chairman of an organisation called Reform which I set up with a group of like- minded people. Our aim was to outlaw corporal punishment in schools. It took us until approximately 1982 to succeed in this task. During my time in Reform we were the first organisation to bring an Irish Christian Brother to court for excessively beating a child. It was the David Moore case in which a brother, Joseph Quinn, was found by a jury to have excessively punished the child and contemptuous damages of one shilling were awarded (I wonder where the members of that jury are now).
During the preparation of this case both the Irish Christian Brothers and the Sisters of Mercy in Goldenbridge interfered and intimidated my witnesses. They did everything in their power to prevent the case reaching the courts. It was with thanks to RF Gallagher & Sons, Solicitors, Patrick Lindsey, Senior Counsel and Raphael Siev BL, who did the case pro bono, that we eventually did get to court. It would take a book to say what happened behind the scenes in the preparation of that case.
In response to comments made last week on television by Brother Garvey, Superior General of the Irish Christian Brothers, I would like to draw a distinction between the priests and the Irish Christian Brothers. There were good priests who were unaware that some of their colleagues were abusing our children. There were two categories of Christian Brothers, firstly, those who brutalised our children and secondly, those who stood idly by. Consequently there were no good Christian Brothers.
After my appearance on the Late Late ShowI was warned by my then employers, the ISPCC, that I was not to interfere in schools or with the Christian Brothers and that my only concern was with home visits.
Interestingly, at that time and during the course of my duties as a social worker, I placed three children in emergency care in Goldenbridge Convent on a Friday. When I went to collect them on the Monday, to make more permanent arrangements, I was informed that one of them had been beaten over the weekend.
These were children who were already traumatised and should have been treated with love and affection. Needless to say, I remonstrated with the nun in charge but was again warned by the ISPCC not to interfere. In the circumstances I had no alternative but to set up Reform and attempt to outlaw corporal punishment in schools.
The publication of the Ryan report caused me a lot of stress and upset, as I am sure it has to countless others. I did not sleep the night the report came out as I could not help but think, had I tried hard enough.
I would now suggest that the Irish Christian Brothers show some humility and stop trying to obstruct justice and instead donate their wealth to a children’s charitable organisation keeping just enough to feed their elderly brothers. They should then fold their tents and fade into the night. – Yours, etc,
FRANK CRUMMEY '
That video is incredible. Thanks, I hadn't seen it.
Definitely NSFW if you're anything like me
this man should not be aloud live
pack of cunts who did it, and the church wonders why their attendances are plummeting
*fuck* them and their dying religion. whats really annoying me are the politicians sitting their emotionless
in the UK and Ireland.
most of that growth can be attributed to latin america and africa south of the sahara anyway, not europe.
and dont come back to me with a census where 99.99% of the population says theyre catholic, cos masses are mostly empty. and of those there, the average age appears to be eighty.
i dont want an argument about this vikram
But the post about the letter inthe Irish times in the post up there ^
when i was a kid I used to watch comedy shows, like 'Dave Allen at large'
where the theme of some jokes was the idea that priets whatever, might be interested in 'children' or choirboys. It wasnt just Dave Allen, i was aware of it being quite a widespread theme, and it was an insinuation ,almost with a knowing wink.
Im not trying to make a point, just observing from long ago that there seemed to be a suspicion/awareness in society that that was something that priests might do, which is why it sort of came as not a big suprise, when it emerged that there was horrific abusement, its strange how when it was all just alluded to in jokes that people could not extrapolate that to realise how horrible it would be in reality.
and the comments are horrifying, are people really, really stupid or just really, really heartless?
and not spoke out about it.
many middle aged men that are now alcholics or what have you.
its definately a sad state of affairs.
the reason why i wasnt kept at church was suspect semi pedo minister at our church.