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My favourite - people who complained "have a vested interest in meat"
you can eat meat and be healthy and it not be horrible and gross and full of fat.
maccyd burgers, hello, obviously they're bad for you. even the veggie burgers in there are probably stuffed full of fat.
Worse than the UEFA Cup.
Such delicious child abuse...
Someone should have told this to the roman catholic church in Ireland.
They should be allowed to try what they want, make their own mind up. Nobody should ever restrict their childs rights to free will. Ive got a few friends who are vegetarian purely because their parents forced it upon them, and the sad thing is they cant see it.
everything else I've said in this thread has been friendly banter, but this is ridiculous.
"Nobody should ever restrict their childs rights to free will" - are you mental? What do you think parenting involves?
You're going to be one of those parents who's like "oh, that's just little jimmy exercising his free will" when your kids are running around pulling people's hair and torturing squirrels aren't you?
You sicken me.
but a bit restricting to them to tell their friends' parents/school etc. what they can and cannot eat due to your own belief system.
you kind of missed the point matey.
And I havent even opened the article. I just know what it's going to say.
I hope they never have to deal with real child abuse
it just totally is
just that simple point. It was my contribution to the discussion. I'll reiterate, as you seem pretty dense today:
Being vegetarian is ace. It just totally is.
Those are fairly complete sentences, and don't really require an 'and?' section. But I'll forgive you, you're just having a dense day. You have my sympathy.
Just my contribution to the discussion.
I appreciate your chat. Except the bit up there ^^^ where you say something stupid.
But thanks for contributing! xoxo
it's not "healthier".
A vegetarian diet isn't healthier than one with a moderate amount of meat.
I mean obviously eating fuckloads of red meat all the time isn't good for you but that's just sort of common sense. On the other end of the scale there are obviously historically reasons why it's healthier to heat some meat (Omega 3 fish oils, iron etc.) but most of these you can get from supplements now so I'm not sure either can really claim health grounds.
but there is loads and loads of ethical reasons not to eat meat, and they're not just animal rights ones!
"The British Medical Association (BMA) was first to shed light on the many benefits of a vegetarian diet in a 1986 report. Based on a large volume of research, it concluded that vegetarians not only tend to have lower cholesterol, but also significantly reduced instances of coronary heart disease, obesity, high blood pressure, certain types of cancers, gall stones and large intestine disorders.
Beginning in 1983, the China study, looked at 6,500 participants over the course of several years, documenting their dietary habits, lifestyles and health. This comprehensive study was a combined effort of the Chinese, United Kingdom and United States. The first results were made public in 1989, and were unequivocal. The less meat consumed, the lower the risk of developing common chronic diseases as noted above. The study also debunked the Western myth of promoting meat as a necessary source of iron. Among the largely vegetarian-based diets of the Chinese, the average vegetarian had twice the iron intake of the average U.S. citizen.
The highly respected World Health Organization (WHO) offered their own findings on vegetarian and vegan diets in a 1991 report. WHO not only confirmed the results of the BMA and the China study, but also found that meat and dairy-rich diets promote other diseases as well, including osteoporosis or low bone density, and kidney failure. WHO went so far as to predict the cancer crisis the world now faces, based on the meat-rich dietary trends of Western nations. The report candidly faulted governments for public Dietary Guidelines that promote meat and dairy as necessary foods, urging more vegetarian-based policies where animal products are relegated to optional status.
Another organization to weigh in on the matter of vegetarian and vegan diets was the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM). This group consists of some 5,000 U.S. doctors, including the editor for The American Journal of Cardiology, William Roberts. Criticized by some as biased for their humane ethics, the PCRM reviewed over 100 published studies from around the world. It confirmed that significantly lower disease rates are directly linked to vegetarian and vegan diets. In their 1995 report, the PCRM urged the U.S. government to update dietary policies to reflect these findings. In 1996, government policies addressed this for the first time, stating that a vegetarian diet is healthy, meets Recommended Daily Allowances, and does not lack protein.
About the same time as the previous studies were being conducted, The Oxford study was underway. Gathering data over a period that spanned an excess of 13 years and involved over 11,000 people, it not only confirmed lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, cancer and other diseases among vegetarians, but also found a 20% decrease in premature mortality rates. Simply put, if you eat a vegetarian or vegan diet, you have a 20% better chance of living longer than if you eat meat, according to the study.
The positive findings of vegetarian and vegan diets are also echoed by the American Dietetic Association (ADA), which ranks among the list of proponents. The ADA is one of the most highly respected advisory boards worldwide.
Criticisms have been leveled in some cases as to how data was interpreted, or the politics of those supporting it. However, until such criticisms are backed by redundant, solid, peer-reviewed research that causes organizations like the ADA, BMA, and WHO to reverse their positions, one might assign detractors' sour grapes. For over two decades the body of worldwide medical evidence supporting vegetarian and vegan diets has been growing, is overwhelming, and to date, is indisputable.
Supported by the most highly respected health organizations in the world, the average citizen with no bone to pick either way can assuredly take it to heart that a meat-free diet is not only healthier, but the benefits are statistically significant, if not profoundly beneficial."
Ask the WHO, they'd know more about it than me.
So what's your point? That states clearly that if you were to eat no meat you'll be healthier than if you eat some, yeah?
Fuck that's limiting.
Incidentally I know a vegan with a tomato allergy. It's really not easy to find restaurants where he can eat...
I just don't see what your 'and?' was about. The statements were just statements, but you didn't seem to understand that. Maybe this is more of a dense week you're having than a dense day? It's ok, i still love you xoxo
Just the usual "LOOK AT ME I IZ IMPORTANT" stuff that makes up the interwebs
the 'and' was in reference to the fact that you posted something that was kind of irrelevant to the initial thread post, being about how PETA say that eating meat is child abuse, and potentially trying to make you expand on your near redundant post.
not even a 'i'm a vegetarian and i think that ____'
just a plain 'being vegetarian is ace' - who cares if you are or not?
given the number of posts in this thread mocking vegetarians, trying to prove them wrong, or insisting on the cultural/culinary supremacy of meat.
i didn't see this thread as originally a veggie v meateater thread (which i do love cos people get so het up). but i didn't see his point. was there one? 'oh i'm a veggie, it's ace' yeah. so? i eat meat! it's ace! blah.
Moreover, the focus has been on how stupid PETA's statement was.
and anyone who hate meat as a kid has just had their parents called child abusers.
I think it's fair enough people are fucked off.
Douche vs Turd is hilarious in its piss-taking of PETA
Vegetarian kids probs have a higher propensity of being from middle class parents no?
it's the vegetables you fuck! vegetables make you clevz!
he fucks vegetables
I know some pretty fucking stupid vegetarians
who is WELL FAT
with the words "Vegetarians commit genocide" underneath.
that was just that one time! He didn't mean it really!
Can someone make this scientifically possible please? I'm against actually being physically violent towards them myself (I'm too weak), and just eating meat myself won't get across my point forcefully enough.
isnt the answer. You burger eating thicko.
Mmmmmmmmmmm, live cow.
Won't someone call social services. I need locking up.
like REALLY CHEW IT and REALLY TASTE IT and just do it with commitment and enthusiasm. I think that will get them.
Make an event out of it, get everyone's favourite ceilidh band 'Annasach' to play, but only if it's on the route between Aberdeen and Zurich.
or bacon tonight.
Now I think I might have both
I was going to have Tortelloni but I think I'm going to have to have something almost offensively carnivorous for tea tonight. Possibly a meal made entirely from meat.
With the head still on.
Carrot shaped steak
Brocolli (tricky) shaped veal
And rub it in unsuspecting children's faces.
Well, probably just one. I'm in Stoke Newington tonight, the first kid will probably just shank me. And then take my steak and saute it with some baby potatoes
Now whenever I'm hungry
I tell her, fix me something to eat
She rushes in the kitchen
And fixes me adinner with
Seven different kinds of meat
^ an actual lyric by sam cooke
There aren'e seven different kinds of meat - are there ?
Have you ever tried chicken?
i like meat. i just choose not to eat it. to be honest, it's not particularly difficult. vegetarian food tends to be more creative, tastier and more diverse because you're not relying on the meat to provide all the flavour.
also, chicken is shit, tasteless meat. if i wanted to eat a dead bird, it would be a pheasant or a duck all the way.
Corn-fed roast chicken stuffed with garlic and basted? Hmmmmm?
'vegetarian food tends to be more creative, tastier and more diverse because you're not relying on the meat to provide all the flavour.' - totally and utterly incorrect.
there is plenty of meat I like. I just don't miss it in the slightest.
just totally wrong that you think that meat provides the flavour in meals with meat in them. most of the time it's a happy bonus.
maybe it's cos you're not good at cooking meat? (no offence meant). i only mean because i'm a bit crap at cooking veg only meals. cos i don't know what to do with it. other than risotto.
there are some really good Vegetarian and Vegan curry (and general Asian food) books!
i've only been a vegetarian for less than a year, and i'm generally not a bad cook.
and liek, i totally love really rare steaks and things, but i've never found them as interesting as a well cooked curry or whatever
a) it comes down to the person cooking how creative or tasty food is.
b) by definition a diet that includes a food type will have more potential diverse than one that excludes a food type.
If the included food is ioncompatible with two or more other ingredients you end up being more limited than by excluding the one food.
I agree with some things you've said, but I'm not having that. Eighteen beans in a stew can try as hard as it likes, it'll never be as tasty as the same stew with half a cow in it.
Like RockNRollMassacre, I like the taste of meat.
why do you ask ?
The taste isn't great and the fat content and salt content is (for me) really quite grim. Meat eaters are used to that but I'm not so it's sort of like biting into bread wrapped round a stick of butter.
That said, while the smell of fish is one thing that really makes me gag, I am aware really good fish is something that doesn't smell and I've had some and liked it. But from an ethical point of view I consider fish to be far worse than cows/sheep/pigs/etc, which are at least not in any way endangered.
eats meat now. It took me one and a half years, but i cracked him.
the bun, none of the beautiful, tasty meat.
who was claiming in a thread last week that raising kids vegetarian will make them skinnier and thus less likely to get laid.
no one on here is stupid enough to claim such shite
Isn't being skinny the essential criteria for getting laid?
You know, maybe an organisation PETA's size shouldn't act on the same level as one of the many eejits who post on an internet messageboad?
deserves mega respect for making me laugh every time I see the acronym PETA now.
Nonetheless, this makes me stupidly angry. I mean, isn't it a tad insensitive/dangerously irresponsible to brush over the seriousness of ACTUAL child abuse with a fucking stupid anti-meat poster? Fuck you militant veggies.
Anyhoo I was gonna give being a vegetarian a try for a couple of weeks just out of curiosity, see if it made any differences. I don't eat as much red meat as I use to and eat lots of fish now.
I lasted about 2/3 months. Then I had a stressful day at work and devoured a scotch egg and I've never looked back.
you've lost a little bit of my respect now.
My mum and her sisters spent years in covents and laundaries having seven shades of shit beaten out of them by nuns for the heinous crime of being orphans and to see that compared to giving a kid a burger is pretty fucking galling.
Vegetarians tend to have an extremely wishy-washy sense of ethics.
i don't really see how choosing not to kill and exploit other living creatures, do the best for your own body and do the best for the world's ecosystems and the world's poorest, is wishy-washy
I'm guessing they wouldn't have stuck up a poster exploiting abused children.
If vegetarians want to claim any kind of moral high ground they really should be distancing themsleves from the likes of PETA.
where did you get the idea that all vegetarians automatically agree with PETA? or that I agree with PETA?
But this thread is about PETA rather than Vegetarianism per se. I'm staying on topic.
PETA are basically to vegetarians what Fred Phelps is to Christians.
do you still buy converse/nike/other massive corporations goods who also exploit people and ruin the environment etc and so on?
where do your boundaries lie?
like this girl i went to uni with, she would put notes in the pockets of coats in GAP saying 'GAP is evil etc' but, would happily snort coke and smoke weed and cigarettes. which are as exploitative as GAP. i think.
i hate people.
that being vegetarian is the best, continuous action you can perform for the good of the environment.
also, i only own one pair of trainers, they are reebok, and i don't intend to replace them for several years.
what about flying? surely essentially you taking one / two flights will have a huge impact on the environment, completely nullifying the fact that supposedly by not eating meat you are helping the environment? or going on a train. or driving somewhere. or even smoking.
we can't get away from it, anywhere.
i'd rather people actively helped animals, like campaign against battery farming / inhumane ways of killing animals etc. raising awareness and trying to change attitutdes. than just not eating meat.
Two flights would not get close to the energy used to create meeat for a year.
When you consider half the crap animals eat has probably been shipped half way around the world. New Zealand lamb does not swim here. etc
but at the same time it galls me when people show more compassion for animals than humans. Like those stupid fucks in the article...child abuse shouldn't be trivialized.
it's ridiculous, though, that people give more money to the RSPCA than to all the other charities put together.
The chairty in the UK with the biggest voluntary income is Cancer Reasearch
RSPCA aren't in the top 6
The NSPCC has a royal charter, and I'm sure many other UK charities do. Don't be led astray by the name.
I thought you got that? Sorry.
"The dog ate my homework"
WAA WAA WAA!
More recognition for my Morse comment, please! :D
Under the smallest provaction we get a tome on how we're all bastards
i was for 8 years but i really enjoy meat. if it helps though we either buy organic or its shot by friends of ours who hunt or have farms. i wouldn't be too squeamish to shoot it myself.
i feel bad for crumbling but i am ashamed when i realise how santimonious i used to be about it.
Under the slightest provocation a whole load of morons, with clearly limited capacity for humour, feel provoked to eat a bloody corpse just to stick it to PETA. I don't know what the fuck that run of comments in the middle is all about.
It is an undisputable fact that a vegetarian diet is going to cause much less damage to the environemt and requires only a fraction of the energy to produce. Yet this fact provokes those kinds of comments from meat eaters - why?
I think PETA are retarded but I have read no preching from veggies in this thread. Stating the above fact is not preaching, it is more similar to saying smoking is bad for you, it is just a fact.
You fucking eejit
For you to spout unadulterated abuse at people. Get to fuck you cunt
A few things.
You claimed it was veggies who required little provocation, yet it is you crying.
This "tome" seems to be one fact that you may not be happy livimg with.
My abuse was tame in comparison to someone who appears unhinged. I also think this "abuse" was justified. Clearly if it is ok to call PETA cunts, then it is ok to call people who come out with equally polarised views morons.
It appears you like to read posts in a predermined tone. I suggest you relax a little and see if you can interpret any of them in another way.
I don't think anyone came out with an qually polarised view.
I think your last sentence applies to you as much, if not more than, LLB. You seemed to completely misunderstand the tone of some of the posts on the thread and react in an utterly disproportionate manner.
Please read this post as I intended the other - emotionless.
The reason I said "read the thread" was becasue it appeard Lewis had either not read all the thread or taken in information selectively to come to his conclusion that veggies are easily provoked. The thread suggests that meat eaters are very easily provoked, as demonstrated by that flurry of responses. Yet there was little anger or preaching from veggies.
It was obvious that those comments were jokes, hence my comment about humour. I thought those comments were petty, childish, unfunny and unoriginal though. I was in no way offeneded by them, but they do suggest meat eaters are easily riled.
Lewis demonstrated this too. Simply by taking the wrong end of the stick, he has whipped himself into a swearing frenzy. It was almost like he wanted an excuse to let off some steam.
He seems to walk around perpetually upset about bullshit going "Read the thread", fucking momo
I'm going to complain, although I do accept I have a "vested interest in meat"
has made some kind of joke yet about child abuse and feeding children "meat" (i.e. man meat, or something?)
You've disappointed me DiS.
my girlfriend was vegetarian for years until we got together and i cooked her some good meats, in particular a brisket and black bean stew.
rocknrollmassacre: supermarket chickens are crap, yeah, but you should try a bresse chicken if you ever get the chance to. simply the best tasting chicken. when i went to lille they had these on a spit in some market, but i didn't get one :(
I've not read this thread. Is it full of angry people and wet-the-beds?
Got a bit boring towards the end though
I want to live there briefly just for the far better food available. They have daily veggie stalls and stuff, a bazillion great cheeses available, higher general standards, etc.
but nah, spain is better for me. the best chefs in the world right now are in spain. the adrias and the arzaks, namely.
also japan is better than france in my opinion, but yeah france is pretty amazing.
the US is also great, particularly california, from what i can tell. and of course new york. it's the food culture of these places i guess.
PETA are fucking idiots for this.
Even though we might not all agree on what's best to eat, I think we can all agree that this is pretty fucking stupid
If i could be bothered to get pregnant i'd love to raise a chubby vegan kid to prove this. Not all vegans are skinny, anemic idiots and being veggie/vegan doesn't automatically make you healthy.
it at least seems that a lot of people don't understand that eating meat isn't in itself harmful to the environment, rather it's how livestock is farmed and meat is treated/prepared.
Granted there are relatively few ethical sources of meat, but it isn't the act of eating meat that destroys the environment!
that distinction is moot. Even meat that is "ethical" from an animal welfare perspective, is unlikely to environmentally sustainable. Bare in mind the impact of meat production isn't just in fossil fuel emissions, it's also in the fact it take much more water and land to produce meat as opposed to crops, and whilst there is some latitude to reduce food mile, there's really no getting around the land/water consumption.
Which research are you referencing with this?
it is possible to produce meat in a way that has an energy efficiency approaching that of crops, principally by feeding them on grass as opposed to grain, but is is NOT possible to produce as much meat as is currently produced in a way that is sustainable, as grass gives a much lower yield.
see "Public health implications of meat production and consumption" Public Health Nutrition: 8(4), 348–356
That article also has some interesting information about the public health implications of industrial meat production.
Stanley - 21/05/2009
Rubbish - although feeding kids MY meat would definitely be filed under child abuse.
WHAT THE FUDGE?!
*makes jokes about sausages*
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