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a thing that bukowski said...

michael_w [Edit] [Delete] 32 replies 19:03, 18 May '09

which hits it pretty much head on.....it's a bit...i dunno....bit fist aloft for a breezy, monday afternoon...but still

''at the worst of times, in the worst of cities, if i could have a small room and be alone in it with the old dresser, the bed, the torn window shade, i would begin to fill with something good; the unmolested tone of the singular self. i had no problem with myself, it was those places out there, those faces out there, the wasted ruined lives- people settling for the cheapest and easiest way out. between church and state, the family structure; between our educational and entertainment systems; between the eight hour job and the credit system, they were burned alive. closing the door to a small room or sitting in a bar night and day and was my way of saying no to all that''

that's right that.

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  • i always wondered if this recession would bring about good writers like bukowski who are confined to their own envoirment by choice. ive always wanted to try and be on my own for a certain amount of time with just music,books and whatever else

    skellywager | 18 May '09, 19:19 | X
  • yeah, i'll admit, it's a pretty good read

    but god who'd wanna be such an asshole?

    Dicko | 18 May '09, 19:20 | X
    • ^

      justanothersheeldz @Dicko | 18 May '09, 20:15 | X
    • sing it brother

      i dunno....these quotes could seem a bit misanthropy by numbers...malcontent finger paintings...etc.....but i really do believe them both.

      just what to fucking do.

      what to do kansas?

      michael_w @kissinginkansas | 18 May '09, 19:35 | X
      • ^^ I was just thinking that

        Seeing two in a row...sort of puts the wind in you.

        Makes you think ''Oh, come on Bukaroo...cheer up, charlie,''
        The first one was stunning. I'm not sure about the second text.

        TheDailyBumbler @michael_w | 18 May '09, 20:09 | X
        • and we'd like to think we have this viewpoint

          But (this applies to the second text)...our parents have them lives. Your sister has that life...and look how much you love your niece.
          It's actually annoying me now...because I know the sort of desperate, colourless individuals who are REALLY heralding that second text.
          It's amazing writing...but a stale, worthless sentiment.

          TheDailyBumbler @TheDailyBumbler | 18 May '09, 20:12 | X
          • Aspects of it apply.

            But I'm not convinced that I, personally, agree with the whole thing...it's abit Briady.

            TheDailyBumbler @TheDailyBumbler | 18 May '09, 20:14 | X
            • this is very true........i get worried with him when it gets a bit briady

              but yeah....i'm not too sure about the second so much either really.....you're right...my niece is the one thing were i sort of understand how the whole thing works and how important and wonderful it can be....and it makes you think that kids really are the point of it all...and it aint no bad thing...etc.....i dunno.......i think it's more the pity that the wonder of kids and love and a family has been corrupted into the image of this shit, average, evryday, doing it because we haven't got anything else to do thing.......so he's right there.......more people than not make the prospect of kids and a family make look absolutely desperate.....but then others make it shine

              michael_w @TheDailyBumbler | 18 May '09, 21:28 | X
    • word

      haribo7989 @kissinginkansas | 18 May '09, 19:47 | X
    • For christs sake

      Why do we need to argue about everything? Why can't we take this piece of text on it's individual merit. We know what he's trying to say (agree with it or not), and the way he's articulated it is superb. There doesn't always have to be a pitbull barking at the other end of the tunnel.

      Go back to your bed time cry.

      TheDailyBumbler @Bamnan | 18 May '09, 20:06 | X
      • obligatory LOL

        Yoblonski @TheDailyBumbler | 18 May '09, 20:08 | X
    • Seriously stunning.

      I'm going to start reading some Bukowski.

      TheDailyBumbler | 18 May '09, 20:04 | X
    • Hmm.

      Cconcise and appreciable as that is, I disagree with it. I don't think rejecting everything in favour of solitude is really a particularly great strategy for anything, but it's hard to argue with it as a personal decision. But it's certainly easier and less degrading and corrosive than swimming through the chaos.

      John_Brainlove | 18 May '09, 20:29 | X
      • .

        "Why try to resist the faceless infinity of the sensual and corporeal universe? Throw yourself into the endless spectrum of the city; the near-infinity of individuals, each one carrying with them an internal world of their own. Lose yourself completely, feel your personality dissolve into the ether, let your thoughts be crushed between the tectonic plates of knowledge. And do not try to resist the only real fact: that nothing about you, or anything, is permanent."

        John_Brainlove @John_Brainlove | 18 May '09, 20:37 | X
        • who that>?

          michael_w @John_Brainlove | 18 May '09, 21:31 | X
        • this whole thing.....a bit of clarification.....(had a pint so might ramble)

          i mean....i don't advocate the alone thing...i don't see what he is saying as advocating a hermetic existence...(maybe for him, but not for me)...i mean...sometimes, like everyone...i just want to crawl into a hole and stay there....but then other times i want to get out and whizz around and meet and greet...like....at xmas i wrote a big thing on here about how i'd never set foot in a club that played music past 1968...i was at my wits end with that whole club thing, it made me sick.....but now i'm sort of digging them...even the shit ones with horrible people and horrible music

          but he also said....'i don't think i could be alone and have someone, anyone, walk into the room and then feel not alone'....i don't believe that.....his was a far more nihilistic view of solitude...

          but i do believe that if you can just find your own small bit of space...your own little routine....your own little haunts...and dig them and cherish them as a solitary activity (not that your whole existence must be solitary)....then....it makes everything a little easier and a little bit more palatable....a little bit of fresh air in the chaos....etc............why i crave a good pub and a good cinema where i can get lost on my own and forget about the other shit

          michael_w @John_Brainlove | 18 May '09, 21:40 | X
        • this whole thing.....a bit of clarification.....(had a pint so might ramble)

          i mean....i don't advocate the alone thing...i don't see what he is saying as advocating a hermetic existence...(maybe for him, but not for me)...i mean...sometimes, like everyone...i just want to crawl into a hole and stay there....but then other times i want to get out and whizz around and meet and greet...like....at xmas i wrote a big thing on here about how i'd never set foot in a club that played music past 1968...i was at my wits end with that whole club thing, it made me sick.....but now i'm sort of digging them...even the shit ones with horrible people and horrible music

          but he also said....'i don't think i could be alone and have someone, anyone, walk into the room and then feel not alone'....i don't believe that.....his was a far more nihilistic view of solitude...

          but i do believe that if you can just find your own small bit of space...your own little routine....your own little haunts...and dig them and cherish them as a solitary activity (not that your whole existence must be solitary)....then....it makes everything a little easier and a little bit more palatable....a little bit of fresh air in the chaos....etc............why i crave a good pub and a good cinema where i can get lost on my own and forget about the other shit

          michael_w @John_Brainlove | 18 May '09, 21:42 | X
          • this fucking website

            michael_w @michael_w | 18 May '09, 21:42 | X
    • see my reply above

      michael_w @Pigfoot | 18 May '09, 21:45 | X
    • I might order this

      http://tinyurl.com/q7c93f

      Should I?

      untrue | 18 May '09, 20:45 | X
      • Should I?

        untrue @untrue | 18 May '09, 21:10 | X
        • yes

          noface @untrue | 18 May '09, 21:30 | X
    • yeah and how many people that preach and worship these words

      will fall into that familiar pattern he's speaking against?

      yeah.

      josh | 18 May '09, 21:49 | X
      • Too...true.

        TheDailyBumbler @josh | 18 May '09, 22:04 | X
      • Unless you're a comedian:

        See: Dennis Leary

        TheDailyBumbler @Pigfoot | 18 May '09, 22:16 | X
      • I apologise for not being thick

        but Googling these quotes doesn't bring up any exact matches. Where are they from?

        teamcooperuk | 18 May '09, 23:42 | X
        • mine was just a random one from a fanzine type thing called bukowski on bukowski

          just picked it up round my mates

          michael_w @teamcooperuk | 18 May '09, 23:49 | X
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