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So so so so so so so good!
it's one of the best tv shows in history
incredibly accurate, intricate, intelligent satire, visually brilliant and well acted. just full of lots of incredibly funny bits and pieces, and overall perfectlt presented
in which he was basically pure evil, and obviously dan ashcroft as the enemy of all of it is shown to be as much of a douche as barley (although a much smarter one in many ways), so it's not just a pure attack on that scene
i don't think i can see it really as a celebration of anything really. it's lightly mocking of the stupidity of it all, sometimes in a friendly way... but no celebration afaics
and DEFINITELY not celebratory. i don't think anything brooker or morris have ever said about it gives any impression of that. you can tell from tvgohome that brooker despises the concept of barley. i think to see it as anything friendly/affectionate/celebratory is projection or perhaps a knee jerk reaction to defend people's own barley-isms
it should have been under vikram's post. proslo sums a lot of it up, although i do think we're supposed to dislike him when he's on japanese tv, he's not a sympathetic character, almost everything he does is terrible. he's completely self serving and the culture around him will always prop him up as long as it lasts. there's an impenetrable defense of "idiots think its cool, clever people think its funny; also cool" so there's no sincerity anywhere. its a pretty prevalent attitude nowadays, and not just in wanky scenester circles, i think its one thing in particular morris and brooker are railing against
if you make a laundry list of the stuff the characters do in the series, i don't know how you could possibly think that it was supposed to be affection. they're not loveable idiots like toby, they're massive cunts too.
but i'm not so sure. i think he starts off like brooker, but turns into one of the idiots by the end. in a way he's embodied all the things he hates them for at the end, (which is funny, because it tends to be the case with people in real life raging against "hipsters").
in a weird sort of way. He is very very dan ashcroft, and certainly no saint with his inventive swearing and Bigbrotherzombie flix
his stuff is loved by vice et al
im sure he feels like he's becoming one of the idiots all the time. see also his swearing like rnrm says. he's hardly a one man bastion against the decline of standards is he?
There's no real reason he has to stay there if he hates it so much, but when it comes down to it he just never makes the right choice to leave.
There's nothing celebratory about it. It's a really fucking vicious satire of a group of people and the 'scene' that surrounds them that is obsessed with image, profit, and personal success over any kind of traditional integrity. The only sympathetic characters are, at a stretch, the receptionist and Toby - the former because she clearly isn't pretending to rise above working for the people she despises, the latter because he's just an oaf who's desperately following the trends.
when things start going terribly wrong for him i don't feel like great, laff-a-minute justice is being served. i just feel slightly sorry for a stupid guy who's been swept along in something
I think that that's a side effect of having Dan being even more idiotic - by comparison, Nathan's juvenile behaviour comes across as slightly tragic (see: Geek Pie). You sympathise, but never enough to let you forget that it's still his fault - and as soon as he has a chance to grab a bit of credibility back he takes it, no questions asked (again: being interviewed by Japanese television).
i feel happy for the fella
It's a difficult sensation to describe. He deserves his comeuppance, in my view, but he's also a bit of a puppet to the culture around him (one that he helps create). A sort of wryly ironic sensation, I'd say.
He's been beaten down and shown up for the ridiculous caricature that he's made himself, and instead of learning from it he tries to pretend it never happened. Like a puppy that never learns.
And the idiots are all, of course, "self-regarding consumer slaves," who focus their entire energies to being as popular and fashionable as possible. His leader status means he's pretty much just the best at following trends, so when it backfires it really just throws into relief how vapid those trends are.
He can't help it. It's what nature designed him to do. But you can't help but feel willing to let him have another chance.
it makes me cringe, as much as i'm an x-factory celeb potential winner type programmes make me cringe; hence why I don't watch them. I don't revel in other people's humiliation as a rule, I find it too uncomfortable.
but then i saw it again on dvd a couple years later when that sort of thing had spread out of lahndahn a bit more and i thought it was hilarious
quite surprised you hadn't seen it sooner
a move from the pub to the club for some awesome sounds