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'If they do not avoid finishing in the bottom three then the points penalty will take effect next season.'
they can't do that surely? Either they have to dock them the points this season or next. It can't be "well, we'll decide later in order to fuck you over as much as possible."
to do with stopping teams from announcing going into administration when they know they're going to be relegarted anyway and so can take the hit at the end of that season when it doesn't really matter. This way, they are actually punished by the points deduction, in the following season, rather than just be relegated anyway plus drop another ten points in the current season, which hardly matters.
There's been a couple of occasions where this has happened in the past...
two years ago from memory. Results were going against them, 99% sure to be relegated, so they thought they'd take the points hit early when it didn't matter rather than do the inevitable over the summer and lose out the following season.
after which all point deductions take place next season. Or did I get that wrong?
all points deductions take place next season after the deadline unless it would affect promotion/relegation in the current season.
but it also seems like a pretty good way of ensuring that clubs go under, which is supposedly the opposite of what the FA wants
"oh we just deducted points nothing to do with us". pussys.
Particularly on the four year anniversary of Portsmouth 4 -1 Scum.
BUT. I can't shake this feeling that we're going to be in exactly the same position within a few years.
So I'm not going to.
Blimey, that's impressive. New FA rules?
i meant adnministration
I meant we'd be in the *actual* same position, as we basically were six years ago. The difference we survived, just, and then got promoted.
obvoiusly you didnt
can't help but take pity. Even Leeds had my pity at one stage, ffs.
that a number of the clubs that make football in this country what it is face going to the wall that makes you sad, then?
I hate P00pey with all my heart but ying and yang, and all that. If they didn't exist who apart from Spuds and Reading would I have left to hate? I hope Bournemouth, Darlington, Stockport and of course Saints are all at the very least in a position where they can carry on fulfilling fixtures, regardless of the league they're in
And it's part of the reason I spend a great deal of my time supporting smaller clubs and going to different football matches.
I was merely putting it in a context, as an ardent Pompey fan, that exemplifies all of the issues in English football - a top-flight club, current FA cup holders can be in as much trouble as anyone else.
Also: see below.
stop hating Reading, you've done us enough damage this year!
Who else remembers when Bradley Wright-Phillips played like he had some sort of interest in the result? That was his one game this season...
good club :(
I can't tell you how sad I am right now
a committed group of supporters that will be back now Lowe has fucked off. You'll have a massive gate next season and using Leicester as a template be back in contention before you know it.
I think getting rid of Lowe and almost having a clean slate are two positives you can take from this fucked up situation and as much as it pains me to say it, I honestly hope you stay in existence.
They're all good points but we've actually got to get to the start of next season first - there was a point where it looked like we might not be able to fulfill the game against Burnley this Saturday, at which point we'd have been AFC Southampton in the Isthmian League.
I agree about the gates, I think we'd probably get some decent crowds next season but I really am not sure we'll still be in existence by then
you'd probably have been in the Southern League rather than the Isthmian. Trips to places like Taunton.
Although there are some decent clubs in there (Aylesbury, Chesham...)
Given that they've got to play a team challenging for promotion and a team scrapping against relegation, doesn't giving them an incentive to lose those games have really dubious implications for teams like Norwich, Plymouth, Barnsley, Preston and Swansea?
Ignore the above post, folks.
that my response was supposed to be under GS3s
I've always been a Ken Monkou fan
seeing as if they finish in the bottom three the 10 point penalty will be applied next year.
they'll take a hit next season if they finish 22nd and it'll make things more difficult for next season. If they finish 21st, they'll lost the points now and start next year with a clean slate.
I was utterly and completely wrong.
disagree in part with the second.
Now that we know we're a League One club, maybe the takeover will speed up. I guess that not knowing who we would be playing next season probably had some bearing on who was interested and how much they were willing to pay for us.
That's the straw I'm clinging to, anyway
I can make a point from this. City were in a much better position than Saints when they went down surely?
Southampton don't have Shaun Goater.
I just assumed:
no debt from stadium
Wasn't the days of silly wages
Shaun Goater etc
would mean you would ahve been in a better situation.
but the point I've made before is that debt is relative to the amount of revenue you can create. If you owe someone £1,000 and can't pay any of it back then you are in a worse position than someone who owes £100,000 but can generate £10,000 a week.
£25m might as well be £25bn right now
Southampton won't have that sort of revenue coming in from those massive travelling supports.
Dirty, dirty Leeds.
And hopefully Bury (COYS).
Judge B - have you sold the training ground and stadium yet?
the council are the only interested party that I know of when it comes to the stadium, I think the training ground and associated facilities would have to be lumped in with the club itself.
This was all before today's announcement though, it could be now that they'll be flogged on at ridiculously cheap prices to any interested developers...
Leeds Utd had to sell off Elland Road and their training facilities before going into administration. This is no consolation at all I gather, but you've not hit rock bottom just yet.
One consortium looking at buying Saints is fronted by Mike Diamandis and Rufus Brevett.
Just to give you an idea of the trouble we're in
made the point that of the two, Diamandis is the better full-back and Brevett the better businessman.
that Rufus Brevett is a financial genius
it'll be a bit of a consolation if we don't get promoted.
good club. i like them.
Frightening. Mid table premier league clubs clubs should take note.
there are about 6 or 7 ex-Prem clubs there. Lest we forget Swindon and Oldham languishing further.
Bradford in the bottom tier.
And Luton and Oxford in next season's Conference. Ok, so not ex Prem but ex top flight all the same.
oxford won't be in the conference next season..PLAYOFFS BABY!
that in 2010, Burton will be only one league below Norwich, Charlton, Southampton and Leeds I'd have slapped them upside the head.
Now, I'm just close to weeping.
True story - my mate at uni is a bradford fan, and a few years ago when the club was really close to going under, he gave the club his birthday money :(
I hope they spent it well.
Makes you realise how narrow the precipice is for a lot of mid-table Premier teams. And, for that matter, how bleak things could be for the likes of 'Boro and Newcastle if they come down.
I actually wonder if they're in a worse position than Newcastle in that respect.
her fanny smells of cod.
And when she's shagging Beckham,
she dreams of Ormerod...
this is sad.
matt le tissier <3
andscary to think this could've been us. Of course we are not yet safe this season, but at least we're nowhere near administration.
would've been very different if Idiakez hadn't of skyed the penalty cos he loves us so.
difference between pots of cash and administration often comes down to defining moments like that. If Fulham hadn't pulled rabbits out of hats against Man City and the $k@tes last season then they would have found themselves in all sorts of trouble.
If Idiakez hadn't missed his penalty, or if Leon Best hadn't scored that own goal. If Pele hadn't given away a stupid penalty in the first leg, then maybe Derby and Southampton would be in different positions.
It's a fine line...
We've been close to the wall at least twice in my lifetime and it seems surreal to think now we could've gone out of business.
I am sure if you find a buyer you'll be back in The Championship within a couple of seasons. I hope Lee Holmes has a blinder for you next season, if he stays fit that is.
what we've seen of him. Staying injury-free seems to be a problem, though. Seems funny that after everyone was moaning at Burley cos he couldn't get us out of mid-table obscurity in the Championship that I'd cut body parts off to be in that position now.
I also only twigged your username the other day. For the second time today, I am ashamed of myself...
if we are stuck between 10th-16th next season. Any lower and they may have a point, but i don't think our squad is anywhere near good enough for more.
Holmes should be awesome in League 1, it's a real shame no manager gave him an extended run in his home town.
Sometimes i forget my username is a pun, 5 years and less than 2000 posts? Not surprising you've only just clocked it!
I doubt we'll be able to get the sort of investor who can afford not to have a firesale, if our debts are as big as reported
Ludicrous that they hadnb't got them before.
Up the cherries.
late on this thread. I'm a Saints fan, I actually cried at little at work today when I found out....sooo gutted. What most people don't even realise is that our debt is not 27 million its only 6 million (which is an over draft) the rest is just the mortgage on the stadium which lowe and co couldn't pay. There are probably 20+ teams above Saints right now with far more immediate debt than us which is what should be worrying to everyone as I believe the whole sport is in crisis. With people like that prick mawhinney running the FL things are probably going to get much worse. What surprises me the most about the whole thing is that the FL actions are totally illegal as Southampton Football Club is NOT in administration its parent company is. I realise that this is obviously a cheeky ploy by that turd Lowe but the fact remains and I can see Mark Frys appeal being successful.
with Luton though?
The reason that there is a parent company above Southampton Football Club is that we used to have an insurance arm, a radio station, credit facilities etc. and the reason the Football League (and I believe Premiership) rules are as they are is to prevent the football club going under for non-football related reasons.
e.g. If you take Chelsea as an example, they have a (some?) hotel(s) which are Chelsea branded. If that hotel collapsed killing hundreds of people because of negligence on the part of the owners, that would have the potential to see the company, and therefore the football club, go bust. This way, the club is ringfenced from the activities of the parent company and can't go under for non-football related reasons.
For that reason, it is a good idea. And there was a point where Southampton had enough fingers in enough pies that we needed a parent company. As we've disbanded/sold off all of these different interests, it's become a fact that there is no more to Southampton Leisure Holdings PLC than Southampton Football Club.
I'm not going to argue against the fact that we deserve to be docked 10 points, we probably do for financial mismanagement. I would argue, however, that the Football League have had to bend their own rules to give us the penalty in the manner in which they have. Personally, I think it is preferable for the FL to incur the wrath of one club (us) than it is to incur the wrath of several (Leeds, Luton, Forest, Norwich, Barnsley etc.)
I also think that we won't go ahead with the appeal, as the FL will probably point out that if the appeal is unsuccessful then they will up the penalty to -25 points. Which wouldn't matter if we didn't finish in the bottom three this season as we would go down anyway, however it would cripple us if we had to carry it over for next season having finished in the bottom three this season
Doesn't make me any less gutted though. I'm now just praying harder than ever that we manage to finish 21st by some miracle.
GRESLEY Rovers look likely to step down a league next season as a result of their financial problems.
The club is expected to resign from the UniBond League on Monday.
Rovers could find themselves playing in the Midland Alliance in 2009-10 and may be under a new name.
Gresley secured their UniBond First Division South status on the pitch but it was half-expected that relegation would follow anyway due to the club's money woes.
"The key for me is that we survive as a club," said manager Gary Norton.
"If that means taking a step backwards, then I am all for it.
"As long as it ensures that Gresley Rovers will exist in the future, I am more than happy to back the plans for the club.
"I think the supporters will understand. The club has been around for 126 years and we want to make sure that continues."
Gresley chairman Mark Harrison said in his latest programme notes: "Decisions will be made this week to bring to an end the long, drawn out process that we have been going through.
"These decisions have not been taken lightly but we have had to take them and whatever happens next in this great club's history, we just hope and pray that, for once, things go our way and we emerge from this black tunnel and get down to running a football club that will be around for the next 100 years."
Rovers finish their season tomorrow, away to Grantham Town.
The Moatmen will be without Brian Woodall (ankle), Nathan Rolph (knee), Matt Weightman (hamstring), Jamie Barrett (suspended), while Paul Edwards and Jonny Shales are unavailable due to their cricket commitments.
Assistant boss Tony Hemmings will take charge of the team, as Norton is away putting the finishing touches to his London Marathon preparations.
"Tony certainly won't let anyone take their foot off the pedal," said Norton. "We have come this far and we will continue to give our all right until the end."
Last weekend's 3-2 victory over Stamford victory was Rovers' first win since the beginning of November and the first since Norton lost the majority of his first team squad when a pay freeze was announced.
"I was so pleased for everybody involved with the club," said the manager.
"It has been a very turbulent and difficult year for the club and we had a nice celebration after that result."
The best thing to come from this (and Southampton's) news is that there'll still be a club next season.
what an absolute legend!
Sad times though - if there's a small positive at least you're not going to the wall and will have a club to support next season... Good luck tomorrow at Grantham, would be good to go out in style.