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whether Rowan Williams is actually a liberal humanist or something. I mean, he seems fiercely intelligent – especially compared to George Carey, or at least to Carey's public image – and it wouldn't surprise me if he'd actually realised a while ago that there is no God, but feels like he's in too deep with this Anglican thing to get out now.
Isn't the whole point of the religious teaching that this IS a hard and unfair life but that if we hold true to Christian ethics when we die we'll get a much better one?
I don't really see how someone could turn away from god because (say) a close friend or family member was raped and murdered. Surely their suffering is over, etc.
I've never read the bible, though, so maybe I've missed the point.
God doesnt give much of a fuck about us anyways...life on Earth is at the bottom of the chain
And while I rarely stick up for religious folk he does seem like a decent, intelligent chap who has the weight of the world on his shoulders anytime he's interviewed.
How intelligent can he be to have dedicated his entire life to something that's made up?
not strictly because they believe in a divine power watching over us but because they genuinely believe that following the tenets of religion is a good thing and that if we all live by this then we can make a difference. Personally I think its bonkers but I don't think he buys all the supernatural bollox but kind of has to defend it because thats the path he's chosen.
Fuck Francis Collins is head of the human genome project, he is clearly a highly intelligent individual but is a christian.
I find that line of reasoning hard to swallow. For one thing, the tenets of every major religion are basically 'don't murder-don't steal-don't be a twat to people' - how hard is that to pull off day to day, anyway? That he has to buy himself a golden staff and dunce hat and a trillion supplicants to do this says a lot.
For all the soothing words and lovable beard, he's just part of the problem at the end of the day.
I am just saying that I think thats just how he thinks. He does display a bit more common sense and reason than many other major religious leaders.
Dude will say anything to get his hands on those CoE investment packages.
this doesn't seem that implausible. he's saying that yes you can have religious faith, but it's the duty of people to get things dones - isn't that a pretty admirable religious position? i mean the pope said abstinence was the solution to HIV rather than condoms, and that's grade-A bonkers. like saying not having anyone kill each other is the solution to crime, rather than police.
They have finally hit upon the idea of telling people that their prayers will go unanswered? Brilliant.
GOD MUST BE REAL BECAUSE HE'S IGNORING YOU...
yes god did answer your prayer - but the answer was no
they are idiots. only through truely understanding that we are merely very well designed machines will we ever be able to accept our existance in the grander scheme of things.
as an aside, i love watching manageer who can't use a spreadsheet, don't click and drag down 10000 rows, Ctrl +Shft down them you dick!
Rising sea levels are just a natural part of End of Days
Particularly in Old Testament times. Even later on in medieval times angels and demons were always appearing in public, the chronicles are full of it. Then after portable movie cameras became plentiful he jacked it in for some reason. Funny that.
imagine the plays on you've been framed!
I'm no Dawkinisian super-atheist but seriously, the BHA guy has a point - it takes some form of breathtaking ignorance or ridiculous theological revisionism not to realise that the Biblical attitude towards the earth re. dominion vs stewardship has been a pretty major contributor to the problem. Does Williams seriously expect to be able to move the goalpoasts on this now?
He seriously needs to wake up and smell the fact that modern laissez-faire capitalism and everything that goes with it is invisible from Christian individualism.
People aren't 'interdependent with' the natural world - this still implies the idiotic proposition that we're somehow not part of the natural world.
how do I do the top hat emoticon?
This is why I had such a hard time doing a fake Chiaroscuro post on that impressions thread. I binned it in the end.
As for your final point: I have just spent the last hour trying to explain our new online proof-management system to someone, and couldn't feel further from the natural world if I tried. Still, I understand you're currently lying in a nest of moss, so I suppose we're coming from different perspectives.
Humphrey's did with Rowan Williams on my harddrive at home.
The premise was that Humphrey's lost his faith as a young man and wanted to speak to prominent religious figures to see if they could inspire him to believe once again. He recorded three programmes for Radio 4, one with a leading Imam, one with the Chief Rabbi and one with Dr Rowan himself.
I'd always been fascinated by the idea of hearing an educated and intelligent person explaining their faith so I was delighted when I heard it was going to be on. I have to say that some of what he has to say is so amazingly stupid that it pretty much took my breath away - particularly on the subject of prayer.
If anyone wants a copy of it PM me and I'll happily oblige.
what he omits to say is that the organised church kind of went hand in hand with establishment, pagans and heathens condemned (historically)
Rich powerful moneyed people and companies were not criticised (historically) as long as broardly in line with authorities laws.
I do not recollect christian holy men chaining themselves t o railings to protest against wars....why? because they 'reflect their community' basically the cuhurch has been really quite complicit in all this (historically)
Also the present model of stron authoritarian centralised control (and its infallibility comes from the roman empire model (with its standardisation and heirarchys) (as opposed to looser conferderacies of celtic europe)
It is the roman model of 'efficacy' and 'most efficient to carry out edicts (disregarding other concerns)' that is soooo anti green/earth/nature
The roman empire did not die...it transmuted into the church (roman catholicism....all C of E was was a willful offspring)
The dark ages of europe were a period where the national power blocks hadnt quite mastered the romanesque version of iron central rule but once they got the idea they started battling away.....always in fierce competition....fight fight fight, we had our own fighting league...like the premiership.....untill everything about the way our countries are ordered or their direction is all with an eye to 'not being beaten/taken over by another 'iron ruler'
all countries had to industrialise else how to match the weopons...we nneded to industialise.....church didnt really object too much (although the purges under the tudors might seem like it, it was more objection to 'who was their iron ruler'