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worthy seperate thread.
1057: "As a Blackburn Rovers supporter, my heart says Barcelona, but my head says 'You really have no place in this discussion, son'."
Jim, Stalybridge, via text on 81111
pre-draw banter on TV is so boring that there's nothing more to say
as long as its not man u or barca.
Preamble is infuriating
No excuses not to get thru
does pires still play for them?
Man U get such lucky draws, hope we make it through to Man U- Arsenal but we always make it very hard on ourselves.
United and Arsenal should get through easily, we are treated to another Chelsea Liverpool slog.
I think I'm probably going to age about another 10 years if I have to sit through Liverpool Chelsea again. I can already feel my face melt with boredom.
would be my description.
Maybe we'll hump them 5-0 though. Probably not.
:D top stuff, get in
Good draws for man u and arsenal.
Barca should edge bayern (but they could just as likely implode)
L'Pool-Chelsea Grudge match to the death. Probably 0-0 with a dubious winner to follow.
Best tie of the round for an english team? Bayern/Barca! Thats gave the english clubs a GREAT chance of winning it again!
Does anyone genuinely believe that it's fixed?
villereal v arsenal
man u v porto
liverpool v chelsea
barca v bayern
perhaps conveniently for a certain M Platini
that said, if we get through to the final, you'd probably have to admit we'd be a nailed on certainty to win the thing.
That draw is so ludicrously lopsided.
are not exactly Barca, Bayern or Chelsea.
And yes, I am betting on Utd making the final
Jesus Christ Alive.
are meeting eachother AGAIN shows exactly what is wrong with this current Champions League concept.
and i'm definitely sitting on the fence re: villarreal - arsenal
and i don't think man utd could've had a better one.
Despite all the "we're not afraid of anyone" rhetoric, I think Liverpool would have fancied anyone but an English side. Not that they'll be quaking in their boots now, but I think even Barca would have been a seemingly easier draw than Chelsea, Utd or Arsenal.
with man utd or arsenal.
chelsea was the only side i really didnt want.
Barca v Porto
Villareal v Chelsea
with Barca to beat Villareal 8-0 in the final.
Getting a bit tedious. It should definately return to knock out after the first group stages, if not from the beginning of the tournament.
Why would you want arguably lesser sides playing against these teams? Chances are, the lesser teams would be eliminated and at some point you'd still end up with the same teams each year, no?
I see your point, but there's not much that can be done. Teams can only beat what's put in front of them. As for entertainment, with so much at stake you can't expect teams to go for broke and play impressive, flowing football.
straight knock out tournament with only the champions qualifying, as it used to be. Certain nations would still dominate, but seeing the same ties every year would be a thing of the past.
Unfortunately, it'd send TV revenue through the floor, so wouldn't happen.
Just the champions of each country? Think about it
Seriously, think about it. You'd have the Israeli champions up against Man Utd. Or the Danish champions up against Barcelona. Or the Czech champions up against Inter. Every year you'd have one of three or four teams capable of winning it - arguably less than are capable of doing so in its current format. You'd just end up with two UEFA Cups, essentially. Or you could arguably say that a UEFA Cup with Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Real Madrid, Milan, Juve etc would then be the 'premier competition'
Plus, teams that aim to finish 7th in the Premiership, such as you and West Ham, would be fucked, and domestic competitions across Europe would be far, far less entertaining
Yep, great idea
Just because it's called the 'Champions League', doesn't mean fuckwits should take the wording literally
Go back to the 70s and 80s. That's your best chance of that idea becoming reality to be honest.
but it addresses the common complaint (made about half a dozen times in this thread alone) that the same clubs end up playing each other every year. The odds of the same two sides both qualifying and meeting each other in the draw would be pretty slim. Nowhere did I advocate it as being sensible or realistic - and I even made the point that a couple of countries would continue to dominate myself.
any of those teams could beat aalborg in normal time though
Both Man United and Villareal took 4 points off Aalborg this season, meaning that they beat them over 180 mins.
Therefore, you're wrong.
but just for the sake of not being absolutely mauled to death by boredom, I didn't want it to be Liverpool. I'm not sure I can stand another 180 minutes (oh God, what if it ends up being even more than that!?) Chelsea-Liverpool CL "action". It isn't as if the league matches this year have inspired many (well, Liverpool fans will be happy with the results but I'd defy anyone with half a brain to have been entertained by the performances).
Arsenal and Utd must be pissing themselves.
but Chelsea I'm not so sure. Plus, it's just so boring. Worst possible draw ever.
On the plus side, at least we don't have John Arne anymore. Is the first leg at Anfield?
If you made it to the semi, you'd play second leg at anfield though.
I'm not sure I can even be bothered to pay £50 to go to the home leg. Personally I'd have taken Barca over any of the English sides and I suspect that deep down, all of the English clubs would have preferred foreign opposition.
Bring on the ordeal!
Chelsea and Liverpool will have met in the Champions League apparently. Ridiculous.
I don't know why I think they can beat Barca, they shouldn't - but I think they can.
Chelsea v Liverpool. Once again. It was bound to happen. Couldn't say who would have the upper hand really.
Man U v Arsenal for the other Semi.
A repeat of when Man U won the Cup v Bayern, just the other way round please.
Barca aren't THAT good.
A change of the format will be carried out from session 2009-10 onwards. The main focus of the changes was to enable champions coming from associations ranked 13 to 53 access to the main tournament more easily through a separate qualifying route, rather than going head-to-head with non-champions from associations ranked 1 to 12. Five teams will enter into the group stage from each new route.
22 teams will then directly qualify for the group stage, compared to only 16 teams in the old system. The additional 6 directly qualified teams are the champions of associations ranked 10 to 12, and the 3rd placed teams in associations ranked 1 to 3. It was also decided that the final would be played on the Saturday evening in calendar week 20 (20:45 CET) from 2009–10 onwards, instead of the Wednesday evening.
aalborgs first goal shouldnt have stood.it was clearly handball
1 day short of teh 20th Anniversary of that magical night at Anfield. Chance for revenge for last season.
It's Eboue, charging through the midfield.....It's up for grabs now........
how didnt michael thomas hurt his neck when he did that?when hes on the floor celebrating he quite clearly does a hand stand but forgets to put his arms out
words you overuse.
I don't understand your attitude to the UEFA Cup. If there are teams competing in the CL that shouldn't be there (ie any team that isn't a current domestic champion), surely that tells you something about the average quality of a UEFA Cup team?
Hamburg are a good side but not up to CL standard. Otherwise, they'd be in the CL (which granted it seems they will be next season)
Watched City last night. Bobbins. Watched them pretty much every time they've been on TV. Mostly rubbish, the PSG and maybe the Schalke games aside. Portmouth-Milan was reasonably interesting but Aston Villa and Spurs, despite getting some good results, hardly set the world alight. On it's own merit and not in comparison to the CL, I'd say the UEFA Cup football I'd seen this year has been alright at best.
To a certain degree I'll take your point about the predicability of the CL (although I still reckon there are 6 feasible winners there, which must amount to some interest surely) but my point, perhaps poorly expressed, is that if you revert to the older CL format or something similar, the UEFA Cup will inevitably become just as predictable and there's still a good chance you'd see Chelsea vs Liver-fucking-pool at this stage. The UEFA Cup is not in itself a more exciting tournament.
but basically the standard of the UEFA Cup is absolute bobbins. All those teams that *shouldn't* be in the Champions League, those are the ones who *should* be at this stage of the UEFA Cup. Not fucking Shaktar Donetsk or Man City.
How you can complain about the mundane nature of the CL but still value the UEFA Cup at all is beyond me, kik. Well, the fact you support the bookies' favourites aside, that is.
that you support teams who play tedious football? If Chelsea v Liverpool is boring, then it's because your teams are boring. Let's be honest, watching Liverpool v Madrid wasn't tedious, so why should it be this time round?