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what a brilliant goal by juventus there
clive platt is a legend.
but he always looked reallty good whenever I see him now.
We're playing scunthorpe at home. they've had two men booked in the first 5 minutes. I imaginethey're trying to kick us off the park.
and a lot of our fans don't like him, but he does a job and he does it well. hope you win tonight as will very slightly boost our very slim chances of making the play-offs.
Like a proto-Trevor Benjamin. He did look to be froming a good partnership with Easter when you played at our place.
Cheers, a win would be good.I hope you win as well, I've always had a soft spot for Colchester. I think we play at your place on the penultimate game of the season. Looking forward to it.
but Dons are winning, so we could do with another.
And Posh have gone 2-1 up, and Dons are drawing 1-1.
I could kiss you on the mouth Craig Mackail-Smith
Argyle 0-0 against Swansea.
Liverpool playing pretty well, I've never wanted Real Madrid to win a game so much as I do tonight but they have it all to do, and shit they've just conceded a penalty.
then you know it's 100% not a penalty!
BALLS, FUCKING STEVEN GERRARD.
i would kill my firstborn for Real to win this
looks like Liverpool are gonna win this. Real are all like "wat, wat iz siz running" and Liverpool are all like "RUNRUNRUNRUNRUNRUNRUNRUN"
OH FUCKING LIVERPOOL KOP KUNT FUCKS
Never a penalty. Gerrard to get sent off and Real score 7, that would be cool.
Already 3 have gone into the book. Bloody diving Welsh twats...
one more needed.
Thanks god for that, it looked like we'd already scored with the Drogba free-kick.
Only Liverpool and Newcastle are above Man Utd in my football hate list.
I jumped to a hasty conclusion.
HOW DO THESE FUCKING CUNTS GET JOBS AS COMMENTATORS?!?!
he's still not that good though, even if we are 1-0 up
before galacticman and other l00sers go a bit mental, i meant to say that ive seen liverpool play
pretty much is
fine, Liverpool have been good. But Stoke could have done a similiar job
Real Madrid really are shit in these two games. Hopefully Liverpool will fall at some point anyway.
oh well, I'll take it.
LMAO that's a penalty. belletti you twat.
Terry vs. Mellberg
Terry would get destroyed, Olof is such a man
but he is perhaps the manliest footballer, you're right.
i bet he smells incredible too.
and jumped up like he was slam dunking a basketball. obvious hand ball (hands ball - he almost caught the thing)
come on Juve!
I just scared the shit out of my mum, by jumping up and shouting like a madman :)
I think I need a new sport to follow.
a nice move for chelsea's second too; so much extra space at the back since chiellini was sent off.
But can't do the whole win a 38 game league season thing, in the Premiership anyway
Liverpool had the weekend off.
bayern. could be plenty more.
stealing or something? which of the Lisbon boys is a ginger step child?
Swansea and Liverpool score in about the same minute.
not that it matters, it's just that winning away from home against Juve sounds pretty good.
utter wankery, they only 2 shots in the whole game
i think this evening shows you everything you need to know about European football. England has done so well recently because we match the skill and technical ability of the other top sides (to a reasonable degree) with an athleticism and tactical awareness that is difficult to play against. The Italians and Spanish are too slow, too languid - they want time on the ball to fashion plays, and can't handle the power and aggression of the opposition against them. They also can't profit from mistakes, poor positioning, long ballism or sloppiness of their domestic league because the English teams have been drilled with the basics. They'll just pinch it and play it on with conviction. There's too many lazy, hopeful dink balls with no pace that English defenders can have for tea.
To be honest, I could see any of our teams knocking out Barca. They leak goals like anyone, and rely on attacking potential that could be dimmed by our tactically sound defenders. To be honest, the only team I can see as being a genuine contender is Bayern. They might not be setting the Bundesliga alight, but the Germans play a similiar tactical and tight style to us - they could be the only ones who provide any sort of tactical/power driven football to counter our own
I mean, their win against Sporting just says it all really. Portuguese teams are the fannybanditeering ideal of Latin football taken to the nth degree - great skills on the ball, but tactically inept and benter than a three bob note at the back. You could put your mortgage on a Bayern dickfest
Much as continental football is more pleasureable to watch in a domestic sense, because of its less rigid style and technical superiority, I'm afraid that we've probably got a long period of English domination in Europe ahead of us. Whoopee
that was serious and cogent analysis right up to the point where you called all Portugese teams "fannybanditeering", at which it fell off the cliff of depth.
It's actually quite exciting to think that our club teams could be changing the way the game is played. I can't see any teams around Europe being able to compete with our "big 4" playing the way they cuurently are, even Bayern Munich (who you mention have the most English style) seem some way off to me, not in style but in quality and tactical awareness, give them a couple of seasons of improvement and then we'll see. I know they destroyed Sporting, but surely as emphatic as that was, their opponents simply didn't turn up for the first leg and then couldn't be asked for the second leg, when they had nothing to play for.
I wouldn't like all the European clubs to start copying us, it would make football a lot less interesting, but it's clear that changes need to be made, particularly defensively and the work that's done without the ball.
juventus shit themselves over an injury to momo sissoko; chelsea fans complain over Germany captain michael ballack getting a game
the italian teams are improving year by year and it was obvious it'd take a while to recover from calciopoli
spanish teams are always fucking appalling tactically and their clubs have always depended on financial advantages, even moreso than the english clubs now; a spanish club won't win the champions league in a long long time
no other leagues have the slightest hope of competing financially with english clubs at the moment (aside from the russian league but good luck getting anyone to go there) so you can discount them all from the off
you were only talking about the Italian teams it would seem.
as has almost always been the case since 1992 the european cup looks set to go to a team from the league with the financial advantage
such a situation is compounded now as football is increasingly a squad game and a rich league can support a stronger squad
but culture/style is of a similiar importance - the relative strengths of the teams they play against each week is a deciding factor in their make-up. I'd say that flow and skill and guile is intrinsic in the Italian and Spanish games - it's what is demanded of the teams who play there. Obviously, winning is the key concern, but when the teams ytou play against adopt a similiar style, but worse, then you have a good chance of success. English football is a culture shock - pacey, pressing, with a high tempo, powerful: put up against that sort of style the continental teams can't make their usual tricks work.
It's clear that teams like Liverpool aren't the pinnacle of football, although they did play well for what i saw tonight. They are a better version of Stoke, or Blackburn, or Bolton, although one which is a lot more finely tuned to the intricacies of European football. But that style of play just happens to be the most effective way to tackle a continental format, as long as it's married with a level of technical ability. Of course, you could also argue that teams who play like that are the "best in the world" because they seem to be the most effective - i suppose it depends on your standpoint
And in terms of money, if the economy keeps heading south there's talk of Germany being the new European superpower. They have the financial stability that's likely to see them through this sort of tricky patch in the global economy
the paucity of options for all of our positions probably plays a part, particularly when it comes to people within the top 4. When you're taking players from outside of the elite of English football (Villa, West Ham) then you lose that winning mentality somewhat.
You could also argue that England's major failings are to do with an inability to work with a system, which is a result of inexperience in playing alongside their teammates. Maybe English players have a difficulty in adapting their role to fit the team when within their club they have a much more clearly demarcated sense of their responsibility, partly due to experience there, partly due to the necessary auxiliary roles around them being taken by players signed by the manager specifically to fulfil those roles. Perhaps with Spain, for example, they have more of a "house" style of play which has a greater focus on individual imagination and skill - it's easily adapted to the national side
I think we've just got a lot of shit players. Hey, some of the players in our successful European squads are a little suspect, especially if they were forced into a new and unfamiliar line up. But it's all about the system - with England we're not quite there, but i could see us getting some success (with some not particularly eye-catching football)
unless Wolfsburg and Hoffenheim contrive to run shit
when Italian clubs have had the money they've had players like Davids in their prime, now it's a crippled Vieira, Sissoko and Muntari. Superstars will always get massive wages from anywhere but it's the less heralded defensive minded players that really make the difference and they go where the money is generally.
We are the greatest team in the continent.
I 'm nt exptinc a win against United at the Theatre of Southerners, but if we get them in Europe, we'll dick them.
Are you Clive Tylsdley in disguise?
Have you SEEN me?
isn't really "European football", so you can be beaten?
did you watch the match?
that suggests they got lucky with the result tonight, when they were clearly in control the whole night
a Real Madrid side under Benitez would be the most threatening thing to the English sides recent dominance. A man that has experience of English style football and someone who managed the last well organised (to a world class level) Spanish side in Valencia. I'd like to see it happen, it would be funny to wipe the smile off stupid Liverpool faces, when they realise they needed Benitez after all.
spanish football is a mess, financially and tactically. benitez' valencia were much like his liverpool side and funnily enough were only ever successful when the league they played in was the one with the most financial clout.
it's not like they haven't payed any out recently, Huntelaar and Diarra anyone?
They make so much money from merchandising that they'll never be a poor club, with no cash to splash, Real and Barca are pretty much immune to the rest of the financial problems in the Spanish game.
"However, any financial difficulty is unlikely to be felt for long. The club boasted pre-tax profits of nearly £30million last year and a turnover of about £250 million".