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Hope this isn't tucked away in the football thread...
Clearly more than just luck involved there.
I think league success is always going to be the best measure of ability. Luck alone won't win you a 13 team competition, but it will get you much farther than it would in a 38 game one. Part of the allure of a cup is that element of luck and unpredictability.
Sammy Lee is clearly the man to step into the breach. Personally, I'd give him at least six or seven seasons to prove himself.
OR IS HE???
I really hope he goes, Liverpool will be truly awful without him. No more challenging for the CL every year, that's for sure.
relegation for Liverpool next year
If Rafa packs in, bring in the King.
I think it's amazing what he's achieved with such an average squad.
He's had ample time and ample funds to build a squad that isn't as mediocre as it is.
with Djibril Cisse, Milan Baros and Djimi Traore in the starting XI is good in my book.
Torres and Gerrard are (annoying ITV pundit hyperbole aside) world-class, and a great deal of their squad (see Reina, Carragher, Alonso, Kuyt etc) are all much more than just average players. Mind you, he has brought a whole lot of shit to the club (Dossena competes with Malouda and Eboue for me as the worst players in the top 5).
I think he's been a mixed bag.
if he could shoot and pass, and wasn't mental. I decided this yesterday.
Also, if he could fly and had a cannon grafted onto his chest
I was exaggerating, but they're team isn't that special if you take Gerrard and Torres away. Yeah, you could blame it on Rafa and how much he has spent, but Torres aside he hasn't been able to spend huge sums on single players, like us and Man Utd have.
THEY ARE TEAM
oh dear :(
and the other 2 were £11-£14m each, not stupid money at all.
And I bet the reason you dislike Riera so much has absolutely nothing to do with the fact he's a City reject.
I mean, look at what he's done for us in five years.
2 Champions League Finals.
1 Champions League Win.
1 FA Cup Win.
Title contenders this year.
I grew up with the clueless Roy Evans at Liverpool's helm. Then Gerard fucking Houllier came in, and let's not even go to Phil Thompson.
Rafael Benitez has brought more happiness to me as a Liverpool fan in five years than those guys did over the course of 14. He's nurtured Gerrard into one of the best midfielders in the Prem. He's brought in vital players such as Mascherano, Alonso, Reina, Torres.
The one problem I have with him is his infatuation with Lucas Leiva, who as I often say, is the worst player I've ever seen wearing a Liverpool shirt.
United, Chelsea and Arsenal fans prattle on about how we should get rid of him. But we have faith in him.
Pretty much all the Liverpool "greats" that do TV pundit work have been slating him since the latest contract story broke at the weekend. I think you'll find that the harshest and most dangerous criticism he is facing isn't from rival fans.
Pundits are backseat drivers. Put them in his shoes for a week and they'd break down. Hansen, Rush, anyone.
I know plenty of Liverpool fans who think he's useless, just as I know plenty of Chelsea fans who weren't baying for Scolari's blood. Point is, he's getting stick from all corners.
How old are you?
hansen and gretel, I mean Lawrenson, does anyone pay attention to them ?
Our love and respect for him is based on the glory he's brought us - which as I've said, is so much more than we've experienced in over a decade.
As for title contention, we've been the sole team to put pressure on United this season. Alright we've slipped up and let it go, but Chelsea and Villa were never going to be a worry for Man U were they?
maintain this until we slip into third place regardless of how many points the scum are above us.
makes a team title contenders. Obviously it ain't over 'til it's over, but for this season and last it's been Man Utd and then everyone else vying for second.
don't be daft. all it takes is a couple of injuries, a couple of big results and they're right back in it
I think Utd are better than every other team in the league, in every concievable way.
And by the by, it would take about 15 of Utd's first team squad to go down to injury for it to really affect their squad anyway
I think you misread my post.
"Alright we've slipped up and let it go, but Chelsea and Villa were never going to be a worry for Man U were they?"
Note the slipped up bit.
It's just clicked why you're acting like a spoilt child. I guess it's because we ended your record and screwed you in both holes, you little slag.
Liverpool have been better than Chelsea this season, by a pretty big distance, and although I don't like it, got the results they deserved against Chelsea. They haven't been better than Utd though, and only the deranged would think that.
Play nice. Or at leats play nasty a little better.
"They haven't been better than Utd"?
Hey, well done! I actually can't remember anyone claiming otherwise. Indeed, I'll hold to the fact that pre-Rafa rant, United were nervous we'd pip them to the post. Ask the fans. Maybe not your southern friends, but actual passionate United supporters.
Just in case you've forgotten, "we've slipped up and let it go". Peace.
than Chelsea, Arsenal or Villa. Liverpool "slipped up" because they don't have strength in depth or the winning mentality Utd have, and that was pretty obvious before Rafa's little rant.
I wasn't even having a pop at Liverpool to be honest, actually defended them up there when someone made some stupid criticism of them. And if DiS posting is to be limited to exclusively insightful posting, I suppose you best pack your bags and leave with the rest of us.
Relative glory, darling. I mean - you should know how it feels not to win anything for ages. The last opportunity you had to celebrate was being promoted to the Prem. I know you like to pretend you don't care about winning things, but if you're being honest with yourself, surely a City fan can relate to how desperate Liverpool fans were to get something circa 2003/4.
So we'll let that one slip.
I agree - 10 points behind United isn't glory in itself. But coming closer than since 18 years ago to winning our most prized trophy is very special for us.
You would argue that the FA Cup isn't glorious - despite the fact it's the most important domestic competition - because it's been about 40 years since you last won it.
Going to Wembley and watching your team lift the cup is AMAZING, even if it is preceded by the worst 120 minutes of football you've ever seen
and I think it would be pointless to rank the two, or even attempt to compare them. The FA Cup is still a brilliant competition though. I know I'd end this season happy if we won it.
You don't have any perspective of how good it feels to win trophies.
It wasn't an insult, my old friend. It's true. How can you gague how good something feels if you've never even experienced it?
As for petty snap-back, I can't really argue with that, what with the length of time we've known eachother.
Fuck me that was an awful game.
But still an amazing event and at the time I loved it. Until we lost of course.
Must have been utter shit for you, putting up with that dross and not even having the trophy at the end!
Especially as I was offered £1200 for my ticket outside...
The atmosphere was awesome though, remembering being on my feet singing pretty much from the end of 90 mins till you scored.
Left before the trophy presentation and made the mistake of walking around the whole stadium looking for a mate, by which time 40-odd thousand Chelsea fans were leaving, and I had to try and deal with a pissed-up, cocky, mate in a red shirt to get down Wembley way. Bad times.
Another of Rafa's successful introductions to the team.
You're possibly more unreasonable than the bitterest United fan.
Look at our stats.
wow, you're making me laugh now. Reina is better than Given IMO, but I guess that's debatable. Hart on the other hand... LOL.
I refuse to believe all of Newcastle's defenders have been shit for years and years. He's a great keeper technically, but I value Reina more overall.
Not that I think he should be sacked, would be daft. But it's not like he's won the European Cup again just yet.
the least, we played quite well I thought.