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happy at wivenhoe
championship football is where it's at!
league 1 is better
Interesting. Ray Wilkins to get them relegated within a year?
And this was inevitable from the moment Ray Wilkins was appointed.
hes not exactly working wonders with man city... suppose he did use to play for em though
Reckon it does our chances of Top4 have just slightly increased.
I mean just after the window, whos gonna want it, knowing that Grant got sacked for not winning the European Cup, so the expectations are ridiculous.
With regards Scolari, it sorta shows that great international managers don't always make great club managers.
That's completely made up. Absolutely no media outlet reported it as being 4 years. Everyone has always maintained it was a 2 year contract, with plenty of clauses.
They should never have sacked Avram, the complete twonks.
I for one will miss Big Phil, tight arse motherfuckers!
with £1.32 & a sainsbury's "Back to School" voucher. Imagine what he could do with a few quid.
I was right when I said they would finish 9th
STONE COLD FACT!
my favourite manager of all time. please. please.
Coach and director of football
so he's bringing in Martin Jol. Good move.
Move for Di Matteo perhaps? I trust Zola when he says he wants to stay at West Ham because I love the little guy.
everyone lays into grant for being an abject failure, but he got them to the champion's league final, and in the title race to the end of the season, whereas scolari was doing neither.
plus he needs to return to seize back the best droopy faced manager mantle.
Scholari's yet again proved that he's got few tactical ideas and isn't really capable of changing his systems to suit the players/situation, and that's without talking about all this zonal marking at corners nonsense.
For a manager in one of the top jobs I'm not sure that's really acceptable - it was fine while he was getting results, but they were really just papering over the cracks.
The guy at Man City, right? A lifelong Chelsea fan?
Mark Hughes? The Welsh guy that spent 90% of his career at ManYoo?
We are talking about Mark Hughes the current Man City manager, just so that I can get that clear in my mind?
I've just learned not to take a single thing you say as remotely truthful or accurate, is all.
As fake accounts go, this one is massively transparent. I logged in earlier and haven't been arsed to log out since.
Talking of massively transparent, how are you? You seem down. Still, I don't care. Fuck off. Cheers
i think you said huge cockmonster. It's petty to say, but i feel compelled.
Upton Park/Nottarf Krap/SMS/Nottarf Krap/White Hart Lane is Harry Redknapp's spiritual home, right?
same as Merson and you wouldn't think of him as such. Although Hughes is from Wales I suppose... maybe he supports Mold and Chelsea.
it seems a bit strange though, him being from Wrexham and all. By all accounts he's never got on with Ferguson, so I wonder how much that had to do with those comments.
without Steve Clarke
ask the same question.
Well their football of late was a fucking joke.
good for villa too.
New manager comes in, inspires troops to opening win over Villa in a fortnight, then they get more morale and go on a run till the season end, second place is in the bag.
i wouldn't have thought ray wilkins would have any effect on player morale. nor avram grant to be honest. we'll see.
It's a poisoned chalice... on the face of it a top club with loads of potential, but at the same time as a few've said up above, the expectations are huge. Anything less than winning titles is considered to be failure.
As if O'Neill would go anywhere near that car crash!
I am worried about the honeymoon period effect, the players will want to stake their claim for a starting spot, so we're likely have a real game on our hands.
and shape it in his own way, he's been given time as well, we finished 11th in his first season, 6th in his 2nd. completely different to the chelsea situation.
with a squad of world class payers instead of Nicky Shorey
players in the MON mould. i don't think he'd sign many of them for villa given the opportunity.
New ownership came in, and offered MON the time and funding to achieve success, Scolari was given neither of these things.
scolari, grant or even the tinkler could have been if they had been given the same amount of time and patience as MON. Martin would be a fool to leave.
although i'd probably give it 2 seasons. MON talked about a 5 year plan when he first started and i think he'll see it out at least. old trafford is definitely the only place he'd leave villa park for though.
then I'm fairly confident O'Neill would be offered it if he has another good season next year. There is no way he would turn down the United job. But, yes, I would struggle to see him at Stamford Bridge
if MON was offered the utd job, i think he'd take it. but who knows when fergie will retire.
and he'll be coming up to 69 then.
but he didn't
he told me
he'll probably die in the job, he's that driven.
against Villa I believe.
fucking chelsea. stupid fucking club.
not only is he a complete fucking cretin, but he's completely incompetent.
A banner unfurled during Chelsea's 0-0 draw with Hull at Stamford Bridge on Saturday called for
What BBC? What?
"the installation of West Ham boss and former Blues favourite Gianfranco Zola as manager."
given that he's now into Putin for mucho dinero.
If it's a big name with a big wage as everyone will expect it to be, then I guess everything is as was.
If it's a bit of a lesser light on less money, then maybe his interest in football is waning.
Just a thought
wouldnt he have kept scolari if he wasnt that bothered though?
"Chelsea is the job i've always wanted"
god I hate Harry Redknapp
^ made up
bunch of fuckin over-moneyed savages in this town
and I doubt Moyes would either.
if chelsea spunk some money on them
for a more than ample sum, MON is certainly not on a pittance either. Why leave such secure jobs with clubs in promising positions for Chelsea, where the money has dried up, half the squad is past their best and they're liable to be sacked for anything less than silverware?
but then everyone involved in football is an arsehole
wilkins apppointed england coach
I fucking hate Ray Wilkins
Hammers are showing heart of late.
reunite the leeds/chelsea partnership of wise/poyet, and bring chelsea back down to league 1 so we can play them again. please
Never should've given him the job in the first place
HANDS OFF SOUSA!
not good enough tactically, 4th in the League, don't look like winning a thing. Now Grant's sacking, that was ridiculous. The players looked like they didn't care, now I know this isn't necessarily Scolari's fault but apparently he's this great motivator, it's supposed to be his strength. I never wanted him in the first place.
O'Neill or Hiddink please, although I doubt the former would come at a time like this.
AVRAM GRANT! This squad should be better than what they're showing at the moment, that's a fact.
Er... don't know to be honest, I'm definitely very tempted.
but the squad should be doing better, some of the performances in the last 2 months have been terrible for a team with title aspirations.
if we were 2nd behind an admittedly brilliant (at getting results, which is what football is about so brilliant is accurate) Man Utd side then do you think I'd be complaining? No, definitely not. Even if we just looked like we were actually up for the fight I wouldn't be too unhappy. The team spirit/fight under Mourinho was top class, without it we look so average.
we needed to take forward steps, not backward ones. Having said that, Mourinho can come back whenever he wants to.
but that doesn't mean we should take him back now.
that were so concerning.
How that cunt won the World Cup is any guess. Presumably he just got Brazil to stop fighting amongst themselves for three weeks and their natural ability just about got them through it.
He seemed completely clueless about League football and running a team on a daily basis. He couldn't improve the underperforming players and was only able to fuck up previously good ones.
The problem is 'who next?' I've a horrible feeling that bloody Sven will be back again.
Scolari didn't even have that, which is why it was such a stupid decision in the first place. Of course all the pundits started wanking over him anyway, because lets face it, most of them know bugger all.
people like that make me feel ancient and yet they're probably older than me
although thinking about it this is actually the longest arsenal have gone without a trophy in my lifetime
but that's something completely up in the air
i wouldn't want anyone but wenger in charge of the club for a long while yet
the realisation that this is the longest trophy drought since terry neill shows how incredibly fortunate arsenal fans have been over the last two decades and i really hope the spoilt knobbers that complain so much over possibly finishing 5th don't win
i've not really felt very close to the club since the move from highbury, mind
and the new badge and current home shirt make me feel ill
And that's probably the order I'd take them in actually. Zola would be a risk, but I love him and I don't really fancy Mancini.
His only *job* has been with a great team. He's done nothing to prove himself.
Either way, the point still stands.
it was completely by accident. "I'd take them" "I love him" and "I don't really fancy Mancini" hahahaha :D
then we can get martin jol back and complete our transformation back to 2005
1) kissinginkansas my dear lad, I adore you. Some of the stuff you come out with is fantastic. Ridiculous beyond belief, but amusing reading. It's sometimes clear you're just making stuff up.
2) I'm a tad sad about this. I liked Scolari as a man and think that he wasn't given the resources reports last summer claimed he had been promised. There is a clear lack of integrity among Chelsea's hierarchy and I think that has shined through ever since Ken Bates' last few years at the club. The timing is also ridiculous; I said to the guy I was sat next to in the stands at the weekend that I thought the Hull result had sealed his fate but I expected him to hang on until May.
3) Lack of integrity aside, Scolari was doing a truly awful job. He made no attempt to shake up tactics, would often refuse to make any subsititions in games when things weren't going well and when he did they were often bizarre or merely like-for-like. It seems to me he should have shown some willingness to experiment or really asked the players how they wanted to play. It's 90% the same side as the last few years afterall, which leads me to believe the problem ultimately lay with Scolari's tactics.
4) I don't want a big name, I want someone who loves Chelsea (and is competent obvs). I'd love Zola/Clarke, but they are too gentlemanly to leave West Ham (part of the reason I love them).
A quick search of news stories from the time he was appointed shows pretty much everywhere reporting it as being a two year contract. There won't be a massive compensation pay-out.
I'd actually quite like Hughes for the reason you've said. Infact, I wanted him in the summer. I think Bilic would have the exact same problems Scolari did.
but I really don't want Hughes as manager.
I think the problem with the perception of Chelsea is that we've needlessly sacked managers before (Gullit, Vialli, Mourinho and arguably Grant) so it looks bad when someone who really needed to get the boot does so.
Looks like we've sacked our web monkey too. I just want to buy a Juventus ticket. Bet the fuckers have sold out by the time I can get the site to work.
he was out of his depth and not up to the standard for a club their size
if he takes over a club at this point in a season then he always has a magical honeymoon period that guarantees a great upturn in the clubs fortunes.
at least until midway through his first full season as boss.
they're all about how he wasn't a manager of suitable stature for the club
well that is stupid
Sven is the rumour over here in the Nordic region... but he's the perennial rumour in times of managerlessness for any european club more-or-less
Ferguson, Benitez, O'Neill and Wenger pissing themselves laughing?
As long as Chelsea don't try to unsettle Capello.
talk about what a quality manager he is
and look the longest thread I've ever started.
What are the chances of Bilic getting the nod? I hope not, I've got my eye on him for the Arsenal job.
if we appoint the right bloke, we could have a honeymoon period until the end of the season, resulting in possible silverware.
does little good is the problem
even a quick honeymoon period will do at the moment. If it doesn't last until May, we'll still be better off than if we'd have kept big Phil. I'm not saying there will definitely be a honeymoon period, but it's worth a try.
That must surely improve his odds.
but oh looks like we have him (we as in west ham) and he's here to stay
Robinho wanted to join Chelsea.
but you get my point
"It is very difficult to say if anything will happen, but Chelsea is a special place for Gianfranco Zola."
First of all, it would be ridiculous for Chelsea to go for somebody that unproven. He's clearly doing well at the moment, but are we all now saying that a successful run of 10 games makes you fit to manage a club aiming to win the Champions League?
Secondly, it would be ridiculous for Zola to take the job right now. Stay at a decent sized club, prove yourself and then move on in a few years when you're ready
I think Rijkaard would be the best/most realistic option for Chelsea right now, but that's just me
It's just getting silly. How many times do people need it pointed out that STABILITY is the key to ongoing success. Granted, Arsenal aren't doing too hot right now, but you only need to look at us, Man Utd, Everton and arguably now Villa to realise that it pays to get somebody in and give them time to make the club/team run the way they want it run
It's amazing that other clubs so spectacularly fail to realise this
halfway through 2005/2006 when we were fifth, and pires, ljungberg, vieira, campbell, reyes, cole seemed past it or disinterested and then a few months later we were in the champions league final.
I don't think chelsea would have had such a quick turnaround, or even that Scolari was the man for them, but it seems like they don't know what they are looking for in a manager or that they have a competent structure in place for the manager to know his role and work within.
Arsenal have probably given a bit too much responsibility to Wenger over the years (can't believe Pat Rice has the tactical nouse of a Carlos Queiroz) but they have had a policy and stuck by it and it's paid off
What sounds like anything? There has been absolutely no comment made by any authoritative source whatsoever.
But then anything with the almost infinite realms of possibility could happen.
should not have been headline news
and should not have so many replies
football is gash. get over yourselves.
Perhaps the world is a big computer game blah blah blah. Honestly, it's like traipsing several miles to your nearest farm, kicking in the barn door and loudly exclaiming that you don't like farm animals one bit and they should all vacate the barn on your whim.
I'd hate to be you
oh wait, no, it's actually very, very different.
sure, have your sports section on the news, go and stand in the rain watching leather be kicked around by morons that're apparently worth millions, i'm not telling you how to live, but please don't put the idea of some fat idiot football manager in the same level of importance on the news as hundreds of people being burnt to death in australia.
maybe i'm jealous. my good morning thread got no replies yesterday. i was just trying to be nice. where were you then daniel kelly? where were you then?
and for the record, i do not like farmyard animals.
You don't like football and think it's fundamentally stupid, fair enough. Why on Earth you'd feel the compulsion to announce that in an obvious football thread, only you would know.
What the media covers isn't governed by importance and it never has been. It's governed by what the largest group of people are interested in.
made my day
im not really shocked, results game im afraid
hands off our zola and clarke.
Which I think could be ideal. I'm not sure he'd be ideal on a permanent basis, but he is a great man manager and has a strong relationship with Abramovich, so I think he could at least identify which individual players had problems and relate that to the owner (I could tell him, as could anyone else, but alas, we don't command the respect of Hiddink) which would be beneficial for seasons to come. I'd trust him to sort the likes of Drogba out one way or another.
And while I don't think Zola could be tempted away now, I think a summer move could be on. We'd get a better look at him between now and then and whilst I think he is too much of a gentleman to leave the Hammers in the lurch, I think he'd find it hard to say no to his best beloved if they came knocking in the close season.
Strikes me as similar to Scolari, meant to be a great man manager but has done little in club management outside of the Dutch league. Holland should have won that World Cup in 1998 and he has overachieved with limited resources at international level.
but that doesn't seem to be an option anyway. Scolari never struck me as a man manager and the way he had Chelsea playing (even at the start of the season) reflected, to me at least, he more of a team unit mentality which let him down when it came to dropping underachievers or changing tactics mid-game. Hiddink has always come across (again, to me at least) as someone who looks at a team on a micro level, building on individuals which is what we need right now, at a point we can't make changes to the squad.
always struck me as the Sam Allardyce of international football.
21 years ago
I was simply disputing your statement, you should have said 'in the last 10 years' or something then
and he has only managed in a top league for a couple of years when at Madrid and Betis and both of those stints ended badly.
they might need a boost in the short term and this might get that, but what about long term stability.
He's apparently going to stick with Russia through their qualifying campaign so how will that effect any long term plans Chelsea have?
Hiddink wouldn't quit if Russia qualify, would he?
Without the stability of a proper permanent appointment will the summer see the likes of Drogba and Lampard jumping ship for Europe?
Has Spalletti been mentioned yet? He's always linked with big moves.