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wish i hadn't now, pretty awful in retrospect.
i think i worked for about six months out of the two years.
I thought it was about people who spend their adult lives sponging off their parents in lieu of taking responsibility for themselves
sort of thread backlash from the brilliant previous thread. But maybe i gots it all wrong sister.
A bit out of order really?
I shall pay her for the ingredients and maybe a little something for her time.
I'm 23, but I live at home. I pay my parents rent every month, but it's not really that much at all (although it was set by them). I don't get given money or anything like that by them unless I borrow it.
I do have it pretty cushy though. Come June I'll be wishing I was back at home. (For monetary reasons I might add)
my parents had to lend me a bit of money while i was looking for work and struggling, which i'm now paying back
it's just annoyance really. mate of mine from my course last year, he's living in a flat owned by his dad, doesn't pay any rent. he got an internship at a cushty job in local gov't because his dad (again) is close friends with the head of the council. once internship expired, because he'd turned up late every day etc, done no work, he didn't get offered a job then moaned that he should have 'had a right to get it'.
I mean it's never been a meritocracy and probably never will be.
who had a very well paid job, a wife and a house and his dad still pays his mobile phone bill.
one of my friends worked with someone who was late 20s/early 30s, and her salary would be paid to her parents. they'd then pay all her bills and give her what was left over.
I have a friend who's offered to do this for me as I am monumentally bad with money...but then, I'll never learn, so I won't let them.
I think everyone has a friend from Uni whose dad bought them a flat. There was one lad at my uni whose dad bought him a flat. My God he was a cunt (the dad). He then got him a job 'through his contacts'
and internship, but I know if I was lucky enough to have these things, I wouldn't.
As for getting a job because you know someone, it happens at all ends of society. I've got bar work and restaurant work as a student because a friend of the family owned the bar/hotel. It happens.
And he didn't get the job anyway because he was crap so it was his own fault he wasted his opportunity. You're sounding like a bit of a jealous moaner.
but i'm also bitter of people having opportunities that i can't get access to, and then going "nah, fuck it, i'd rather slouch around all day and do fuck all". it's utterly infuriating and surely you can't find fault in me for that
Not for Public Enemy though: FIGHT THE POWER!
My mate still lives at his parent's house, works part time in an off license, doesn't pay rent, has the full use of their car. I feel sorry for him really because he's got a degree but finished Uni nearly 2 years ago and hasn't had any luck finding a job. He ain't got a clue what to do or where to look and it's getting quite bad really.
I've just moved back to my Mum's to look after the house and cats whilst she's in hospital. It's weird though, I haven't lived here for 5 years but she's not charging any rent as i'm doing her a favour. Hope to get a bit saved that I'd normally be spending.
my parent was Bob Geldof or similar I would do this no problem. I just wasn't cut out for this working malarky.
i'd do something useful with my time, be it charitable work or furthering my own interests or whatever, rather than the path these socialite wastes of oxygen usually take of getting fucked on booze and gack in soho or hoxton every night.
emphasis on "i like to think" here...
a c*nt who on their 21st birthday received their trust fund and went out wearing a badge saying '21 & Loaded'. I wish fatal disease upon this person.
sponging, it's those who then lecture you about the world. I've got a friend who's flat was 2/3rds paid for by her parents and she tells me to get a mortgage 'cos it's cheaper than renting as hers is "really low". Of course is cunting is.
I got another mate who's Dad got him a job, a ar and a riverside flat. He then got given £20k to travel for a couple of years and then he came back and his Dad bought him a house.
(well, maybe a little). i've known people from all walks of life and income levels or whatever, who've got drive and desire to succeed and sure, maybe of them have a few advantages in terms of their connections, but if they work hard and they're good at what they do, who's going to begrudge them that?
i don't recall begrudging david cameron his job as leader of the tory party
If that's his job he's objectively good at what he does in the same way the Queen's good at being a hereditary monarch. What job does he do. What the fuck does leader of the opposition do? Snipe at politicians? He's not as good as Paxman for sure.
I refer you back to my 'wonderful rapist' comment from last week. He's not hated for being rich but for being a politician.
that estate agents in Surrey and private educators aren't accepting money any more?
Im working and renting out of home. But every month i seem to fall short of the rent by about £50. so a parent usually makes up the difference.
Can you BELIEVE I'm single?!
I get £240 a week in my job.
My rent is £650
£40 a month for gym
I need to eat
I have to drive 40 miles a day to work
It is all shit!
to live 40 miles away from where you work, on about £12k a year? Madness.
Gyms the only thing that de-stresses me at the moment and i love it, so not sacking that off.
I just havent been able to find anything nearer to my house just yet since moving. It'll come together, eventually.
Now I'm homeless and destitute.
I just wanted to give this some appreciation really.
why are you renting at £650 at all?!
but it was for a huge studio flat opposite a tube station in inner london.
i should've had wonky pop gigs there. WONKY.
That took me to 300 a week, so £1200 a month. The rent was easier.
That extra work has since dried up. I only work 20 miles away, but ive gotta get there and back havent i?!
For a nice area in north london, all bills included?
or do you live on your own?
for the former: yes. for the latter: no.
actually the sad thign is, it's probably not a lot of money. but for what you're earning, even what you were earning, yeah
my rule has always been to not let my rent exceed 50% of my earnings, and it just about falls within.
Feel like I'm stuck in purgatory. Applied for literally hundreds of jobs. It's just not happening for me.
that's fine by me
big payrise, and less driving. yuss
rent somewhere cheaper
In terms of how often i do it: no
not being able to afford to properly go out makes it tricky. errk
Chances are that if you're reading this thread and you have the energy to reply to it then this thread isn't about you.
heres my story for those wishing to lynch me.
Left at 18, came back from from australia at 24, so moved home got job and saved to move out. Met girl shortly before going to travel / live in Cali but came back cos I wanted to be with her. so lived at home, hers and dads (who is never there) for a year which took me to 26. then heart break = 27 so needed the stability. I ment to move out last summer but i lost my job. I'll be moving out soon thou as new one seems stable and kinda fun.
its not always as cut and dry as it seems. My dads never at his place so i stay there a few nights a week and my mum goes on holiday alot and i was staying at my ex's alot for a while, so its never felt that restricting. I do kick in money whenever i feel its appropriate thou to whereever im staying.
they can fucking do one.
i was realllly grateful to never meet any of those types during the short time i was 'travelling'. instead i met a whole heap of people who'd earned money working to pay for their bit of travelling, and as a result they had dignity
i did. dad paid for my flight to australia actually as he felt bad cos he paid for my sisters accomodation at uni and not mine. I have a student loan and i had jobs/mini businesses.
DiS was being shit.
when i studied in aus there were lots of people with rich parents thou, including a hawian guy set to inherit 2 million on his 21st birthday, he was a total fuck wit thou. oh and a guy that shipped his 12 peice drum kit from germany and billed his parents lol
also, people who get their parents to pay for their flat deposits / first month's rent because it's "so much in such a short space of time"
OK I'm basically slagging off 1 of my friends here but she doesn't read DiS so fuck it.
I was just wondering how she could afford that nice house (you must know who I am talking about)
i moved last weekend. as well as one month's rent and six weeks deposit (srsly, when did that become the norm? sigh) i also had to shell out £340-ish on overlap rent on my old flat. my bank balance is currently -£600 and i don't get paid until the 15th :(
but it was straight out of uni so i had no money at all and i genuinely couldn't have taken my job without it.
not paying it back though.
SUPER-INFLATION IN ZIMBABWE!
CONFLICT IN GAZA!
MRMSA OUTBREAKS IN NHS HOSPITALS!
Methicillin-resistant MEGA Staphylococcus aureus?
but let's knock=up a press release with that in it and send it to the Daily Mail's headquarters with some immigration statistics anyway
call centre workers are cunts.
just force yourself to get over it. use it as often as you can.
taking a call centre job would be good for you (in the long term)
but your attitude stinks. and that'll come across in your applications.
i made very clear that i didn't think he was worth seven million.
i made the point that i think he's as good a player as palacios who had moved for 15million, and that i would very happily accept that kind of bid for fletcher.
i'd be very very suprised if that bid materialised.
and lets not open the 'Malbranque is better than Hleb' debate.
i'd still rather have malbranque.
and he's better than kaka, gattuso and peguy arphexad combined.
<3 <3 <3
since then my parents have probably borrowed/taken more money off me than i have from them, which is totally cool cos i took money off them for years.
my sister still lives off my mum and nan (she's 21, btw) but hopefully if she gets her act together she'll manage to hold down a job for more than a year, maybe get a place of her own to live.
i don't see much of a problem with it really if you're under the age of 21. i think beyond this point you should be making some financial contribution to the household.
why am i getting "Thread not appearing right? Click here to rebuild" near the top of this thread
and why when i click on it does nothing happen except operation times out
we have the technology
Get a job, you sponging fucks!
then have to ask there folks for deposits for a house, is that any better?
but I went had a lot of fun and it was well worth the debt which i paid off quickly and got jobs easily. I even went back and did another degree technically too. I earn over 30k now, dont wear a suit work 9-5 only. theres 2 sides to every story, depends on what u study and where u go to its future value.
What is your job too? :)
was Computer Science at Nottingham and i got a 2:1
2nd was a fun one i got the chance of doing cos of some stuff i did in my personal time, i got a 2:1 in that too BA recording arts from middlesex but done in Australia.
I got offered an internship at a recording studio but had to come home for family reasons. However since then i chose to do computer stuff for a living cos it pays and the music industry is crumbling also i didnt want to work 6 18 hour days for 12k and loose my passion for music....blah blah etc etc.
now im a .net developer for a small company up north. mostly web stuff right now.
it was a far from perfect journey but its had its moments thus far :) Id much rather be a record producer but dreams are for chasing in many different ways i guess.
The next step/decision is wether to let go of it all and quit job and go try somthing crazy abroad for a while, which is what hopefully i'll have the balls and conviction to before this year ends.
(they give me a certain amount of money each month), but that's only because my student loan is all used up on rent and I don't really have the time to get a job and they'd prefer me not to have one in term time anyway. I plan on working in the summer (as I have done previously).
my mate who sparked this rant is 28
on the education of those who don't have parents willing/able to help out?
Helping with living costs shouldn't impact anyone else unless there is such a huge surge in demand for property and food that prices rise.
how someone recieving financial support from their parents whilst studying has an advantage over someone who isn't and how that will impact upon their lives?
who receive support, but I don't see how it directly impacts those who don't have support. And the only reason I can't get a bigger loan and/or a grant and therefore pay for myself is because of my parent's income. The money has to come from somewhere and the government has decided, in my case, that it's not going to be from them, so my only other option is my parents.
can leave some students at sea financially, and I wasn't commenting on your circumstances because I know nothing of them. But generally speaking, a student who is recieving parental support has more time to dedicate to study than a student who isn't. Studies have shown over and over again that:
a) those deemed to belong to the middle class (I can't be arsed to argue who does and doesn't as that would go on forever) are more likely to recieve significant parental support while studying
b) those who work part-time while studying (through a combination of stress and less time to dedicate to study among other factors) tend to underachive when compared to those who don't work
c) those deemed to be from a middle-class background are more successful in the graduate job market.
I struggle to see there is much room for argument on the matter really, and as much as it may sound like a personal slur (when it really isn't) I can't stand the attitude that if you have the money, it's fine to help your kids out. What about other people's kids who may be equally or more intelligent/hardworking than yours and are comparitively fucked because of a set of circumstances outside of their control?
by sticking them in the tougher category b).
I'm not arguing the rights or wrongs of the system, I just think I would be pragmatic and unfotunately have to work within it. My children would be more important to me than any others.
but I still don't see a problem with helping out your offspring if you can (it seems quite a worthwhile thing to spend your money on), and surely this frees up more loan/grant money for those in less fortunate circumstances anyway? The people you should be getting at (and I'm sure a lot of people I went to school with do this) are the ones whose parents support them financially to the extent that they don't require a loan, however they still get loans and leave them untouched in a high interest savings account until the time comes for the loan to be repaid. I'm not sure if any of that makes sense, oh well.
and I agree, that behaviour is much more selfish and harmful. But strictly speaking, no grant/loan money can be "freed up" because funding isn't split per capita; there are set rates available to all or all meeting certaining conditions.
Perhaps the problem is more with a system that allows and in some cases (it would seem like yours) forces parents to financially intervene in higher education. It makes the playing field uneven and cheapens education itself. But then again, things can't ever really change until people see wider social responsibility as being of primary concern and there are plenty of pragmatic concerns than inhibit that.
as you seem to at least partially agree that the problem lies more with the system than with the parents.
it's not those kids' parents who decided to make education more expensive and normalise the idea of being in debt your whole life.
if you've worked hard your whole life i'd say you've got every right to do whatever you like with your money, if that involves supporting your children then so be it.
i can understand the idealism behind everyone having exactly the same opportunities as everyone else, but i think you're seriously misplacing the blame here, if indeed there is any blame to be placed for the general unfairness of life.
It's an unfair way of doing things and everyone who proliferates it has to share some of the blame. Some people may be more to blame than others, but that wouldn't make for much of a discussion.
Which really concludes my point; of course you have the right to spend your money as you wish to and it would be ridiculous and unfeasible to suggest otherwise. But the idea that how you spend your money cannot give rise to possible ethical problems simply because you earned it fair and square (and seeing as the pattern I described above goes on and on for generations, even that is contentious) is wrong.
I'm not demonising any group or declaring class war. I'm just seeing things the way they are.
but some people seem to be rather bitter about the fact that my parents pay my tuition fees and give me money. I don't see a problem with it if they can afford it and are willing to pay for it. I'd do the same for my children if I was in a position where I could.
to ask that the word 'bitter' be banned from use in the contexts of discussions like this one.
people who are given (unfair) advantages in life because of their parents standing or people who just never "bother" moving out and getting a job?
yeah, i am jealous
so basically, people who combine both those things
its the parents fault more than anything cos they are setting them up for a fall. Believe in karma
can i just say the whole situation is annoying? that whole situation. it annoys me. grrrrr.
I'm sure if I could get away with living off rich parents I would. As it happens I've had to work my arse off solidly to get anywhere - the thing is, if I come short of rent I can't go running to mummy or daddy.
not anyone in particular
did live in leeds for 3 years from 18 - 21 though which was nice but wasn't going anywhere so moved back home for a bit. Hopefully won't be living here too much longer, although it is a really nice house and very comfortable. I also work for my Dad. Ah man, it felt good to get that off my chest, catharsis n all that.
...this thread is really turning me on
im 21 year old graduate in a full time job, still living with the folks....i don't pay them a penny for it yet......and i just had a really long shower.....i'm so sorry everyone.
Hasn't the whole living with parents stigma gotten old yet? I'm twenty one and still live with my parents and I won't be moving out, or have no ambition to move out, until around 24/25 when I've amounted a nice amount in which I can then build a comfortable nest after I fly away from the family coup.
Especially in these economic circumstance, people my age should feel no pressure into moving out of their parents' home and parents (the good ones anyway) should be helping out their kids for as long as is necessary before saying "I think it's time you left" to ensure they have the best possible start at their life.
to have that comfort, i realised i have over the last 2 year thou. aslong as u know it its cool thou. Personally if i was u id save and travel, cos you wont be brave enough when ur older and have less fall back home when broke potential.
I have a pretty logical, sensible and common-sense approach to many aspects of life and I have a good head on me, hence why I feel living with my parents upto this age would place me in better stead. Plus, this comes on the advice of having two older siblings who have moved out though have advised me to stay put for as long as possible.
My comment is also informed by three friends who decided to move into a flat in Manchester, which lasted just under six months before they admitted defeat and ended up living back with their parents because of a combination of joblosses, increasing bills and missed rental payments.
the girl in common people :)
it was more in reference to not really having any weight on my shoulders, especially not the weight of mighty breastmeat.
Unfortunately i can't
if my parents had a bit of money and were prepared to spend it on me. i don't see the moral issue here. life's generally crap enough without being moralistic and doing the whole 'self-sufficient' thing with one's own parents, who hopefully will be the only people ever NOT to make you bad for it - and in the final instance, it's MONEY, which on its own isn't enough if the receiver is a waste of space.
i'm saying this, and my parents haven't supported me since i was 20 (before that, they paid about a quarter of my rent for a single year) aside from helping me out during emergencies (in each instance i've paid them back)
yes, it's weird behaviour in an adult (my friends' parents constantly give her money because of her financial incontinence and yeah, i think it's weird to accept), but i'm not gonna get pissed off at it
basically i think it's weird to accept money as i haven't done it but i don't understand why people get very moralistic about it, that's all. what's the deal? is it jealousy? it's not like anyone would refuse an inheritance, is it?
i heart spam
And on the day that KiK gets a job too.
I M GLADE TO VISIT URS SITE I REALLY LIKE.I like them especially the ones that can make you pick up a completed work to try something crazy.
almost as weird as when i started that anti-strip club thread and four months later some random user started posting saying they wished more people were anti-strip clubs. wrrrrrrd
it was spam :(
thought it was all new :(
really need to pay more attention to datestamps.
obviously special circumstances notwithstanding.
i had to move back home after uni for financial as well as relationship-crisis-life-unravelling reasons, and after about 8 months of living back in my parent's house, in a small town, with little to do except sleep with sixth form girls and sit in the bedrooms of mates in similar situations and do speed off the floor of people's flats in the local council estate, i was going stark raving mad. like, ending it all mad. those were grim days. but then, it was up north.
and i had to pay board the whole time :(
Its much better than the time I spend at my parents house.
it sounds good, and maybe it even was for a month or so (and it's not like this happened that often either) but 8 months of that being your life and you start to feel very cheated.
Ive spent around 8 months at my parents and I settle on cd buying splurges, watching the wire in bed and free meals.
Sex and drugs make the whole thing sound a lot better.
people who were at school with your sister, and really dirty drugs at the flats of people called things like 'Deggsy' and 'Doobs' and 'Fish'?
But I'm still refusing to believe anything with sex and drugs is a bad idea.
but i agree.
my folks are well off, but i paid for myself at uni. i now have a job where i support myself, and I'm proud of it.
And to be honest, my parents are proud of me and my sisters, which is great!
That doesn't stop them trying to give me money everytime I see them though and I do get the odd loan off them when I need one.
They're still you parents no matter how old and self-sufficient you are; they still like to treat you to things