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Has anyone seen this? More to the point, is it worth missing Masterchef for?
It's really good.
also...am I the only person who usually writes the names out in German etc?
Der Baader Meinhof Komplex.
I am so pretentious.
well until it takes a turn for the grim
Go and see it, definitely.
but thought it could have explained more about WHY they were doing what they were doing. i think it's been described as a documentary account, but i'd been happy with more explanatory material and more conventional material. i felt like i had ton of questions afterwards that the account didn't go towards answering - worst of all, the characterisation (which was necessarily broad to accomodate the number of characters and the swift-moving story) made me wonder why they were considered such interesting figures
i think it pales beside recent german films such as 'the lives of others'
and clearly sociopathic tendencies.
It inspired me to read more about the RAF, and it clearly was never intended as a documentary.
and it covered a larger stretch of time than the average film
not really THAT much.
Eventually it gets to the point where they, and the audience, don't really know why they're doing what they're doing any more. I really liked that aspect of it.
eventually they were fighting BECAUSE they were in a war.
The real aims seemed to be forgotten.
I found it very refreshing to have a film about a historical event not spoon feed me, I've been lucky enough to see two films recently that have avoided it, this film and Che Part One.
and secondly, some of the lameness of the writing in it suggested the writers weren't necessarily conscious of the lack of spoon-feeding
it's not bad
a bit like 'war games' but without computers
but it was enjoyable for what it was
It was not a documentary.
It was not intended as a documentary. I understood perfectly well what was happening in the film, with admitted prior knowledge.
and i said it was meant to be a kind of straightforward account - maybe documentary was the wrong word to use, but akin to a documentary in the idea of it being straightforward, and objective (though 'objective' is a bad word)
i'm not sure seeing someone reading Trotsky in the bath is that helpful
I think the point was that they were sloganeering and not really very purposeful. It's like that bit near the beginning where they fire bomb the department store and start spouting ideology that's pretty tenuously connected to their actions.
you can always read it up afterwards...
i like films to be self-contained, maybe just part of a broken mirror or something
I just like thinking for myself (that sounds like an insult but it isn't intended that way)
the film made them appear to look fairly stupid and undermined whatever they were trying to achieve at the time - i guess that is the message of the film
there are films where the story and plot are very obvious
and then there is something like Gerry or Last Days by Van Sant which are a lot less straightforward.
I just don't see WHY a film should explain exactly what is happening in an easily digestible package.
Last Days was rubbish, anyway - if you want to use a good van sant example, paranoid park would be better.
All I mean, is a vague insight, however obliquely done, into the characters' intentions, however subtle, would have made it a more interesting film.
which was kept simple so everyone would understand what was happening.
I liked Last Days. Apparently the only one to do so.
perhaps articulated by themselves. the dialogue generally was very simple and at some points, laughable anyway so a bit of exposition wouldn't have ruined it
again, that's not to say it's not watchable
i suggest no-one else (critically or generally) liked last days because it was rubbish?
Andreas Baader or Ulrike Meinhoff really HAD that many ideas beyond GDR = Bad.
hardly seems worth reading about it, then?
I'd say it's more interesting at to why the RAF survived well past the deaths of it's initial leaders.
and perhaps a tad simplistic and idealised but it's still a really interesting period and movement to look into
and how big an impact they made has been somewhat forgotten now though
I liked Last Days and Baader Meinhof.
That is all.
a film of a historical event will not explain everything but it could at least have a reason for being made
saying that, i am curious as to why they continued for so long
Far better than the reviews led me to believe.
They really were a bunch of cunts though weren't they? Given the choice I'd much rather have been hanging out at Kraftwerk and Can gigs than senselessly killing people for some seriously misguided political beliefs.
I left the cinema feeling pretty wound up by it all.
Is it likely to make me want to take heroin?
the director did another movie last exit to brookly nand tahts rpetty good too
they seemed like idiots - doing crimes, yeah fuck the police, let's get naked
then when things got serious they really started to come across as just really horrible people
i saw it with my dad and he said that's what it was like, people on the radical left saw them as really glamorous and righteous sticking it to the state until things got brutal and more out of hand as the later generations came through the ranks and the crack down really took force.
there was an RAF member released from prison just last autumn despite being sentenced to half a dozen life sentences
they seemed awful awful people which was not how I was expecting them to be portrayed.
I found it pretty uninvolving as a cinematic experience though.
and I enjoyed all of the rest of them to some degree.
Really want to see Mum and Dad. Have you seen that?
liked by even proper film critics.
i saw taht remake of rec htis week
for something that lasted 2.5 hours (or whatever), they did a great job of not explaining: what was going on, what motivated people and how things were happening. I thought Che Part 1 did it much better (and that was far from perfect). It also seemed to end very suddenly, again 'impressive' for a long film.
I love the chap up top of thread, who says "I understood perfectly well what was happening in the film, with admitted prior knowledge".
I didn't have any prior knowledge, I ain't dumb, I didn't fall asleep and at times I didn't have a clue what was happening and why.
I did enjoy it though, oddly enough.