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how do you feel about it?
racism so different from homophobia, even you, the mighty hypocrisy smiter, will find yourself less comfortable saying "you massive paki" than "you massive gay"
judging someone on their inherent characteristics?
i'm not trying to preach here, i'm just trying to start an intelligent discussion, but people are either exhibiting their caustic wit or, like yourself, calling me names.
that's the entire point of the 'casual' part, which you put in the title. the racism one is more likely to offend than the gay one because "gay" has passed into the territory of harmless use my people meaning no harm, such as schoolchildren. the similarities are really only superficial.
but 'casual racism' should be classified alongside 'casual homophobia'. you may say it's harmless, but as i've said elsewhere it's very easy for the lines to get blurred. when it's chanted en masse at football games, do you really think everyone in the crowd is doing so in a completely casual/ironic sense?
what you're saying here is that "actual racism - not casual?"
it is obviously very easy for the lines to be, as you say, blurred, especially with casual racism: which is why it is less socially acceptable. It's not hypocritical because the end concern is the same; that it should not ultimately be actual prejudice
or at least i hope i do, or else i'm wrong and it's actual full-on racism that i've witnessed over the last few years.
this is the thing, how can you know for sure when someone means it and when they don't?
it's difficult! but it's easier with "gay" etc, because it effectively has two meanings, and is used entirely innocently all the time. This is why it's not hypocritical.
which reminds me, i'm hungry
and the reason for laughter is the shock value.
whether it is satire or not. i.e. 'What I'm saying on the face of it is clearly racist, but it's all a bit ironic' kind of thing. I guess it's open to interpretation.
There's also the case if of if you have a friend of different ethnicity. For instance, I went on a night out with my mates and his black friend whom I'd never met before. By the end of the night, we were having great banter and trading rather offending insults, yet still falling besides ourselves laughing.
If you are sharing a joke with someone and neither of you are actually being discriminatory then it's not racism. Maybe. Hmm.
but it's easy for the lines to get blurred. i'm not the PC brigade or anything, but it does concern me a bit how casual people can be about stuff like that
and in other more social situations is far different.
if someone overhears said joke and finds it offensive, am I racist? Is it right for me to be finding that funny in the first place?
If I called my mate a cunt because that's what we did and someone overheard they'd probably be offended too. Belittling someone on account of their race is clearly much worse than that but context is always very important to any action.
They would probably find you racist but you would in fact be a racist. However, you might inadvertently be reinforcing racist views in those who overhear you so you're supporting racism. Maybe.
I just think the concept of 'racism' is so fluid at the minute, and has different meanings to different people that it is very hard to pin down what is and what isn't racist, especially if context is brought into play.
to find casual homophobia acecptable yet casual racism not?
Btw, I'm firmly in the 'cool in context' camp.
you can't be like "FUCK OFF, YOU BLACK"
"Fuck, this black computer isn't working! Black!"
but you can say "Fuck, this gay computer isn't working! Gay!"
if someone said "FUCK OFF, YOU BLACK" its just funny cos it's a non-sequitur if you're not black.
anyone can be gay, but its pretty specific if you're black
it must be pretty awful, it's the most sensitive thing to be shouting out. but still LOLOLOL
would it not strike you as such?
is he actually gay? if he is fair play
both with idiot managers
duty manager called some guy a paki once he's served him
and then the proper manager...purely upon hearing i was a football fan, and my team were playing spurs on boxing day...said....'fucking yid cunts' and walked away.
it annoys me because they know nothing about me whatsover...they just assume everyone is cool with whatever they have to say. its that slight change in context that changes everything.
and their gay coloured houses.
helps if at least one person is non-white. i guess this isn't actual racism though?
but they use terms like 'gyppo' and 'pikey' with abundance (I know in some parts the second one has a different meaning, but still). Theres also a tendency to make sweeping generalizations about race (and gender/sex) couched in the language of pseudo-political discussion-part of why I try to keep out of the political discussion on here is because there are so many underlying assumptions to whats being said in some (and I stress 'some') instances that the conversation isnt worth having- the basic assumptions needed to take part in the discussion are just wrong. Also, I know its not quite the same thing but the whole not being able to tell the difference between Immigrants, Illegal immigrants, Asylum seekers and refugees really gets to me.
And then theres Luke Leighfield.
to another of those days.
Nah nah nah-nah nah,
And hoooooopes worshed awayyyyyyy.
I thought casual racism was where you just tutted at blacks.
Anyway, joke racism is enjoyable - especially when its mutual. I had an indian friend in secondary school and we'd have a right laugh - She'd ask for mince & dumplings in the dinner queue, I'd say 'stop kidding yourself', she'd say 'yeah you're right, I'll have the chicken curry.' endless fun
when you know that the person saying it isn't racist.
I did once announce that I hated fat people in front of a girl I'd only just met, she looked discusted with me, it was very amusing. I tried my best to keep a straight face but my friend burst out laughing.