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it was when the southend thing were kicking off..junk etc..i were at college with these new puritans and i was gonna get them to write stuff and what not....but didnae happen because i never follow through with ideas.
but i still hope to make a cultural zine of some shape.
what you thinking of doing?
so now just be a general zine
and maybe interviews and stuff with bands i like, and contributions from people i know... just think it might be fun
When I was about 14, it was about skateboarding and called "Skater News".
It's a piece of cake.
But I really think it's just as simple as having an idea and access to a cheap/free photocopier.
ive got some material for it, its just a case of putting it all together i guess!
You need glitter and an ability to doodle down the margins.
i have a friend who runs a zine distro called "a piece of cake". funny american comic type things - pretty cool!
along with starting my own gig night. I've written for a few zines in the past, though my output has slowed good and proper of late. Should probably get back into it actually.
It's called Brickface Press (myspace.com/brickfacepress), it's very DIY and non-profit, based in Liverpool. We're finalisinig the 2nd edition now. It's loadsa fun man, you should do it! Or if you want to write/review for us get in touch!
nice work with justin pearson!
i probably want to give it a go myself first off, but i'd love to contribute to yours as well!
The first 'zines I made were really awful compilations of comics I'd drawn. I printed very few of these on my home computer, and gave them to friends/left them lying around uni.
Then I started one called 'Romance Is Boring' which I put a lot more effort into and made something which is pretty rad out of it I think. I asked friends to write about stuff for it, and hassled some famous sorts to contribute to. I'm really proud of how it's turned out.
I'm currently working on my most ambitious 'zine yet, with a friend, and it looks like it's gonna be really awesome. It has a theme to it (which is something I've not done before), and it's the first time I'm going to ask for money for them rather than just giving them away for free. It should be finished in the next 3 weeks, then I'll try to flog it to some people on here. It's gonna come with a CD-R, and looks BEAUTIFUL.
So, really, you just need an idea and a photocopier. Simple as that.
Your new project sounds awesome, I'd def buy a copy.
have written for this new one.
i write for it occasionally. it's ok
A couple of contributors have flaked, and I want to get it mostly wrapped up before Christmas. Being of an emo disposition would help a bit.
PM maybe? Thanks.
then I'd be up for it.
Unfortunately, I'm currently sat in my office on the Saturday night before Christmas printing out drawings and rendering images...
Which probably won't be for 6 months, but I'm sure it'll be an even grander undertaking.
i haven't done anything since this spring but still..
In your top artists on lastfm make you a bit of an emo?
I'm still recovering
also, what even is the point of a zine? it sounds so gay. I've never seen one, I don't think. Dunno if I'd ever want to, especially if it's about music, which would be dead boring.
made by people who cant spell.
Some are about music, even more aren't. I've never made one exclusively about bands.
I guess the point of it would be that it's a good creative outlet, and a lot of fun to make.
Just give it to people? Then what happens?
This vegan cafe in edinburgh has a good thing which I think could be a "zine". It's got funny stories in it written by "tom cruise" about how he's such a sex god. they only give it out in the cafe though. It's a brilliant place. They let you play shows there for free with no audition process. Excellent.
which is probably the point in writing it. they might enjoy it, they might not. sometimes they write to other people, and people zine swap too i think.
i like reading zines much more than proper magazines, ive got about 6 unread ones on the floor right now from when i went to london the other day
Sometimes people sell 'zines, sometimes they're free. Often you can pick them up in record shops or venues. Sometimes bands make them and take them on tour.
I guess then people read your ideas, and might want to contribute, or whatever. Same as any magazine or book. I think 'zines are a brilliant, worthwhile thing. Kind of like a blog, but more romantic and the author has to make some effort.
because its often just some bloke or girl talking about bands they love, without an agenda, beyond wanting other people to hear them
I don't like music writing. It's so overly sentimental. People always say "passion" and stuff like that to describe bands who mean nothing. It's not real "passion". Remember when somebody slagged off dis when crablin was editor and he shpeeled off this big "Yeah well we LOVE these bands. We're CHAMPIONING these little bands who put their HEART AND SOUL into making indie dance tunes. What are YOU doing? You SOULLESS GOLEM". It's a bit like that. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Even though DiS was at it's best when he was editor. Whatever.
when i write my blog im not expecting that many people to read it, i just enjoy doing it, and i like the idea of other people enjoying what ive written. and maybe choosing to listen to someone on the basis of what ive written. i just describe bands ive watched
You hand it to your friends, leave it in pubs, venues, cafes, that kind of thing.
I know a few people that write for a living (either as journalists or authors), and if I'm honest, I can’t think of a single one that hasn’t made or contributed to a fanzine of some sort. They can obviously write beautifully, but you need more than that to be successful – you need an unquenchable enthusiasm and determination. Every single one of them *had* to put a ‘zine together or they’d burst with the unreleased energy.
A lot of the time it's a bit like a blog - just an outlet for you to get your stream of consciousness into the public domain so that someone – anyone – might read it. But it also makes you hone your style, your voice and your craft. It forces you to make decisions and helps you make contacts. If you’re ‘just’ a writer it makes you leave your comfort zone and consider layout design and things like that.
‘zines were pretty crucial to the indie scene in the pre-internet age. I don’t know how relevant they are nowadays in terms of spreading the word about new bands, but DiS is essentially an evolution of the ‘zine concept – albeit one that isn’t a hard copy of a snapshot of a moment in time. The thing that makes ‘zines special in the era of user-generated, social networking is that they are, by their very nature, personal and often hand-crafted, which is quite a lovely thing, really.
Though actually I'm starting to appreciate that "zine"ing could have a place now that blogs exist. I guess weeding out the people who are shit from the people who can be bothered. Possibly.
its nice to read zines where someones obviously spent fucking ages making it good. i got one in the post the other day from a bloke in wales who does one called 'artcore'. it comes with a 7" or 12" of old bands, and its really really nicely designed and printed out.
If i'm engaging you in "banter" then fair enough, but it just seems like you're e-bullying a quixotic, often misguided but charming young man who has the best intentions and a big heart (me).
Why has he become the new martbowski? He's not some untouchable force. I bet he's sitting there in his pants eating viennetta or something. He's human, he's not dancer.
doodthakicksarse wank fodder?
but only slightly less offensive
im just saying its better to ignore him usually if hes taking potshots, because it does you no favours to try and think of some amazing comeback, because it just looks like hes got what he wanted in annoying you.
If his aim is to rile me then from the start he is the pathetic one. It shows that I am easily riled by people trying to rile me, which I don't really care about. It also shows that perhaps he's good at annoying people with the sole intention of annoying them, which is what kids do, which is fine.
you care enough to write a response. it just would be more sensible to realise he is just trying to wind you up, and avoid writing back to him. it makes your life easier.
fuck im sad
somebody who gets riled when somebody tries to rile them. I'm happy to accept that as a trait.
'you said you'd fuck my mum! how could you say that!? there are some places you JUST. DONT. GO, man.'
Anyway, you always "start it". Look back at it, look back.
In fact, I've never read that about me on here before... just there. Renowned for occasional arrogance, possibly. Humour so sophisticated it goes over people's heads, perhaps, but i'm no agendaless agravator.
and i just wrote 'jade' instead of 'jabe' which as freudian slips go is pretty worrying
is hardly a potshot, probably being polite.
To which he called me names. He called me NAMES.
I think KiK's appraisal of him being "silly" after yes_ describing 'zines as being "gay" and "boring" despite admitting not really knowing what they are, was pretty apt.
oooh i hate 'M'usic.
shut the fuck up you twat
I really do hate Music. It's dead boring. Also, it's pretty hilarious that you only tell me to shut the fuck up after you know you've got a bit of support. Before you seemed to be trying to educate me a little, which I appreciated.
i just realised you were just trying to spoil our lovely conversation
so dont level that at me
I genuinely wanted to know what motivates people to do zines, aired my objections then got called twat.
people in this thread clearly have an interest in zines, and people want to make them, and you come along calling it 'gay'.
its not the best way to make friends is it?
Surely arguing it with people who have such an interest is the only way to go about it? Surely they're the most informed? And surely if they have strength in their convictions they can argue their point without steam pouring out their ears?
wittgenstein would probs say that it wasn't homophobic at all, in this context. Which is wasn't.
but i know that calling things "gay" is one of my favourite things
then act all suprised when people have a 'potshot' at me.
Theres a different between questioning and arguing something, and insulting it.
Im sure you know the difference really.
i just ignored you being vaguely insulting and answered the rest of what you were saying
an argument does. This argument obviously has content.
What you've done there is just say a thing. You can't just say a thing, you've generally got to say a thing after you say a thing to make the first thing make sense, like "evidence" or "facts" or just anything I don't know, maybe if you flapped your arms a little more people would think you couldn't help it and it wasn't that you were getting yourself in a tizzy.
- Fucktherave (conviniently)
- who else?
Please, if I really do inspire hatred amongst you, that's YOU, say now. A reason would be nice too so I can argue with you.
but i think its cute how you think people would feel that strongly about you
I don't understand.
not in actively hating you, but i realise that was misleading. sorry
and conveniently forgot that you also avoided the issue at hand and spouted some pointless bollocks
not even spelt right but oh well
Not that kansas doesn't ever take potshots, but that's not one. "I don't know what this is but it's probably stupid" = a bit silly.
Another thing about zines, beyond zines-as-creative-outlet, is they have the opportunity to be genuinely excellent publications, as opposed to "real" publications that rest on advertising and connections.
By saying what "even" is a zine it indicates that I have doubt to the true intent behind making them or of their true purpose, and now I have to be dead boring about how to read things but you've forced me to it.
But nice try on a potshot at my literacy/intelligence.
And it wasn't a potshot as your misreading of my post was the subject. BAM.
Oooo look at me, arent I cool, I can make my own magazine about my own interests.
but in terms of punk bands and hardcore bands its probably the best way of keeping in touch with it all
Like all those authors, with their "i have this amazing story I made up and must tell people about because it's so great". Or those bands with their "you're gonna enjoy this music that was made up by ME".
and its not right at all!
but i wont argue as you said im the punkest
but my response was to dolly
which one of you has a black flag tattoo
most punk person EVAZ
unless someone gets that tattoo,then inserts metal spikes into his skull,making so goddammed punk he may die from his own excessive punkness
because my face has a skull tattooed on it
im too busy organising a CND march in my squat, alongside rehearsing with my band
i'm not really very punk. i do look like a bit like a punk though
ill still talk to you
Can I win the Mr.Punk award?
If your basically getting your friends only involved in it, then it really is an exercise in some kind of friendship group narcissim.
Like all these people starting bands with their friends. Ridiculous.
Or you're writing for yourself 'and if anyone else likes it, it's a bonus.'
and adding that to other articles, reviews and interviews about music, with other stuff my friends write for interest.
so its not a zine at 'look at all the cool friends i have and fun stuff we do together' its just a zine about stuff i like, and thoughts of my friends
this zine is awesome: www.myspace.com/freakkingdomproject
zines 2.0: http://disappearheremag.com/
I have a copy of it right next to me. It's really well written and covers a load of interesting stuff.
and yes some of it will be. but some of it will be about other stuff. thanks for taking an interest!
oh and HardLOLcore is neither funny, not a clever play on words, bumminginkansa
not using wikipedia, in 5 minutes from now.
if you can do it you know enough
BUMMINGINKANSAS HAS MADE A TWAT OUT OF HIMSELF (again)
but when the persons is spouting shit, and they have no idea what they are talking about (as i proved) i think its fair enough to point that out.
i can't stand hardcore but you'd have to be trolling to say it's 'talentless'. what? eh? oh.
so suck me
but i sort of agree, it doesnt require classical musical ability to make music people want to hear.
one of the best zines i've read. the section on the Women of Hollyoaks is tear-inducingly funny.
does anyone get Cometbus from over in the states?
i really want to make a zine/be involved in making a zine. i want a zine friend, i think i'd be too scared to do it by myself. i think my dream sacking would be to get sacked from an office for being found taking 'privelages' with the photocopier making 1000's of copies of some super cool indie DIY omg zine and bankrupting the company in the process.
my girlfriend bought me the UK Zine Handbook the other day. Its got a couple of pages from all these different zines (i think about 30 or 40) and its really cool
and can't even find a cometbus site, just the wiki page. how do you get it?
zine distribution, in total, actually, i know next to nothing about, aside from ordering online, leaving them places, and one local bookstore that carries them. though i imagine it's not too hard to work your own thing out beyond all that.
about 7 of those bands are hardcore (and i was being generous)
you lose pal
they arent all hardcore, you dont know what hardcore is evidently and you know very few hardcore bands. so your opinion on hardcore is pretty worthless isnt it?
you obviously gave them no time if you consider them as a hardcore band.
they played hardcore shows with hardcore bands, but they're essentially just an extremely loud indie pop band like dinosaur jr, but a bit faster.
and arent hardcore
but never do it. it's one of those things i think you have to do very well or not do at all. i've read some horrible mediocre ones.
i like freak kingdom a lot, and penguinzzz's mystery zine is good too. i think zines should have more drawings in them though. i like drawings.
has just made an amazing little zine.
i read the online pdf version the other day. it's not music based at all, just lots of funny pictures and hilarious anecdotes/stories
Article titles: 'If I Could Make A List of All My Mistakes & Regrets', 'I Pissed Myself', 'Five Things That Happened at ATP', 'Create Your Own Ideal World', 'Dead Pet Archive', 'Ban This Sick Filth', 'Pleasant Memoirs', 'Great Names for Your Band' & 'Unjustifiable Theories From My Childhood'.
24 pages, A5, staple-bound with custom painted covers.
message user DIRTYcraig on here and buy one, it'll only be a quid or something
streams of bullshit flowing from all angles.
why can't there just be a pleasant thread about zines that people read and zines that people have made?
stupid fucking losers.
I'd explain again here, but fear that could just cause another tangent for argument in this once glorious thread.
gwan, defend yourself. go speak to your mates if you want people to agree with you.
and you know nothing about the subject, and had nothing worthy to add, so you just let the bullshit flow.
and because people rise to the bait, that turns into 50 posts of internet diarrhoea that i have to scroll past everytime i enter the thread, when i'd much rather read the interesting opinions of people that have something to add on the subject of the topic.
I thought you were quite cool.
Anyway, you've not read what I posted with a clear head and because you love indie bands so much, you've got all het up, which is dead funny, so go you.
i read everything you said. it was just pointless, and just wound people up and turned into another ridiculous arguement.
im not wound up either, this is just a subject i am v interested in, and it started off promising, and descended into the usual DiS dirge, which is a shame.
Here are my arguments in handy bullet point form (the following apply only to music related zines):-
1. Like "blogging", a "zine" would place too much emphasises on the individual author's personal criticism of a band/album etc, creating a cult of personality around an author, which is an arrogance
2. This is especially pertinent when the subject of music blogs/zines, as most bands that would be written about are shit anyway and nobody cares.
3. Because of this, the ethos of making such a zine/blog would become contrived and over sentimental, relying on polemics in lieu of actual "passion"
4. however, at this moment making a zine could distinguish the author from those who would make a blog, giving you more reason to assume that their material is good.
if you had, i doubt many people would have had a problem, they would just have debated the subject with you.
you had to go and be a cock about it though didnt you
These arguments arose from discourse, and now I present them to you in a logical form.
well, at least in the ones I read. The writing is good, but not completely focused on the writer's opinions/experiences.
give zines a chance. Ones that are purely about music aren't my favourite, but I don't like reading about music much anyways. Check out Freak Kingdom or one of gareth's ones. They're good, honest.
surely you would have the required amount of intelligence to not only notice this, but take it into account and put the zine into its correct context?
i don't see why people are so opposed to reading other people's opinions, anyways. GOD FORBID SOMEONE MAY HAVE AN INTERESTING ASPECT ON THINGS THAT THEY MAY HAVE GAINED FROM AN INTERESTING EXPERIENCE, EH?
I can't see a dispute with 1., though 2. is really a subjective distaste of mine based on my observations of "indie music" and the culture that surrounds it, so I can understand a disagreement with that. In which case premise 3. is false, unless you hold that all music writing in it's entirety is like this, and therefore unneccesary. Premise 4 is empirical and unless it's easier to make and distribute a zine than a blog it's true.
not everyone writes like everett fucking true. just because one person MAY be the sole contributor to the zine doesn't mean that they will write in a style which draws attraction to themselves as some sort of fantastical, mystic idol.
2.)I can see your point here - but just as the bands are a question of taste, so is the zine. I wouldn't buy a zine about football or girls aloud, because i don't like football or girls aloud (at least not enough to pick up a zine about them). You have to experiment.
3.) making a zine requires quite a lot of effort, and will really only be made by someone who is passionate not only about zine making, but by whatever it is they're writing about, or else they wouldn't write it. simple.
I stick with what I said before: you need to actually give them a chance before you can truly disregard them. You're showing a bit of prejudice from which i'm guessing you garnered from reading music blogs, which i can fully understand; HOWEVER, blogs take a matter of seconds to set up and require very little effort and passion. They're the equivalent of taking a shit. 'Zines are a bit grander than that.
with the Jurassic Park theme in the background?
I'm really open to it, I just hate music journalism and the institution of Music and this "musical canon" of "classics" which has been created. The whole thing is a self flaggelating stupid eejit that I don't have time for, but I can appreciate the aims of zines in this modern context, but I still can't not be sceptical about music journalism.
they always seem more of a hobby.
seriously, i cannot stress this enough: you're fighting a losing battle here. you can't call something shit if you have no experience of it. it's childish.
i agree with you to some degree josh, which is why i didn't refute 4. music journalism isn't something i'm interested in. Zines are more like a friend writing you a letter from far away, recommending you lots of things that they're pretty certain you'd like if only you'd give it a chance.
I'm arguing about the whole concept of it, not the actual content. I'm sure some zines somewhere have good writing in them, but that's irrelevant. I never said that there weren't ones that were worth reading, just that in general I would disagree with the concept of it.
1. a hell of a lot of zines have fuck all to do with music, or film, or anything that needs analysis/reviewing.
2. see above
3. isn't everything contrived nowadays? zines used to be a massive thing with underground music, before the days of the internet, so sure, in this day and age, with the technology we have, zines may seem a bit sentimental and 'retro', but people still like to write stuff, and wouldn't be able to get it published in a proper magazine, but don't like the blogging thing.
4. personally, i'd much rather have a cool little A5 booklet with neat drawings and pretty pictures, and something that looks like it has put alot of time and effort put into it than a plain screen with blocks of text and a scroll bar. same goes for record packaging. special packaging and cool inserts make it all the personal and special.
3 and 4 cross over/tie in together
and I didn't say that zines themselves were contrived, just that most music writing in a zine would be due to the subject matter.
Ignoring the fact that most 'zines are now not solely devoted to music, why is writing about music any less contrived than writing about art, or architecture, or film, or literature, or life, or love?
There's probably more people offering their opinions about music than other subjects, sure, but even if it is more prone to cultivating bad writers with bad opinions (whatever 'bad opinions' are), isn't that even more reason to try to make a difference?
what's wrong with "caveat"? what should I have said?
so i ignored that cop-out in brackets.
i don't see the difference between the author of a zine, the author of a magazine, the author of a book etc.
it's a poor arguement.
It's not a cop out, it's a qualifier. Try again.
it's transformed into another dirgey shit arguement. i'm almost a hypocrite for being sucked in by your idiocy. this is my last comment on the matter, then my full attention will be on the NFL.
if you only want to talk about music zines, what is the massive difference you're spotting between the musical analysis content in all these music zines you've read and your average rocksound or kerrang magazine? and that is ignoring genres of music, im meaning more about what the author has written. what makes a zine writer more arrogant than an NME album reviewer?
makes you look childish.
Also, I did preface this, all the way at the top, by saying it stemmed from a distaste for music journalism and all that goes with it. I chose to concentrate particularily on zines because that's what the thread's about, but you can read my other objections below.
I don't understand why you can't appreciate that many people have the desire to write/create something, and others have the desire to read it. Perhaps you're not as interested in the power of words as I would expect an aspiring writer to be.
Everything anybody writes is filtered through an individual author's own perspective - I'm finding it hard to grasp quite how a zine is the product of someone more arrogant than, say, a novelist is.
I just find music journalism to be very very trite most of the time. There's a certain type of criticism that goes with music journalism that doesn't go with literary criticism and is incompatible with being a novelist. Music reviews tend to focus on the authors reaction to an album or band or whatever, rather than offer an insightful criticism into what the artist was trying to achieve. Secondly, and specifically with music, the artist most of the time isn't trying to achieve anything. It's very very banal. Music (as it is currently accepted) is moreso an "entertainment" than other artforms, most of the time. I think it can be as insightful and beautiful as literature but rarely is that considered when writing a review of The Microphones latest album. If it were to be treated a an entertainment i'd have no problem with it, but when people start saying "passion" I lose interest. Also, there's the tendency to have to cover the whole spectrum of music because it exists in the sphere of popular culture. Hence my "famous" objection to the kate nash interview DiS ran ages ago.
i've got spirit and i'm dang proud of it.
The most popular newspapers and magazines have a quick turnaround and limits of 100 words or so for their CD reviews, but given the space, music journalism is able to go into the same kind of depth as literary criticism - it just depends if the reader is prepared to spend time with a 4,000 word article.
It's a bit of a self-perpetuating cycle. There is the perception that music criticism and computer games criticism are less worthy than film criticism, which is in turn less worthy that art criticism, which is in turn less worthy than literary criticism, which is in turn less worthy than philosophical criticism. Writers and readers are complicit in the continuation of this situation.
As I've said below, if anything, it's even more reason to try to make a difference.
I agree with a lot of what you're saying, except for this bit. For the most part, how is anybody supposed to know what the artist was "trying to achieve"?
I basically would want music journalism to be more snobby, "academic" and selective. Lit. criticism has the opposite problem.
it didn't turn up
i'm not sure what though, all i can really do is write about music or indie films/games and draw stupid things.
what do you think making a zine is? not rocket science, that's for sure.
the name sounds far too cool for me alone.
its just photocopied and stapled writing people do about a certain subject or group of subjects which they then give away/sell
i might do this with my comics. might even try and give them away at the local walking man/forbidden planet!
I went to the one bookshop in my city that I know carries lots of zines, and it was full of dirge, of really, really bad and boring writing. Most of the zines were single-author fiction writing, if that makes a difference. Like maybe that's just usually dirge. Though I would hope to find a nice amount of good writing in any area. Er, anyway, is it clear what I'm asking?
Also, do the most of the zines you read come from local sources, or do you get them off the internet?
just the occasional one, usually from a local source, or from a source i know i can trust, which is probably why i always enjoy them.
i'd imagine if you bought as many as possible there would be a few duds. there is always the issue that a zine done by one guy, with no real theme/objective could end up seeming really self-indulgent from the perspective of an outsider.
which is pretty good, but bits can be shit (its the nature of zines) but theres no way i would get a magazine as good for a couple of quid. Its American, but All Ages Records in Camden always has it in stock.
I got Artcore the other day, which im really impressed with so far, and it cost about £5 but comes with a record. I ordered this from the guy over the internet and its based in Wales.
Theres one in Norwich i read sometimes called Mild Peril, and its more hit and miss but still pretty good.
The other ones i get i usually just buy them if they have interesting bands in or something good on the cover and are cheap
They're a bit fawning and cloying- they don't have objectivity, I'd rather have a good sized glossy magazine with a bit more polish to it - like The Wire or Rock A Rolla.
Dunno, maybe I'm not DIY enough.
they're personal and individual, and when you're making it yourself you're not as likely to fill it with articles on subjects that don't excite you. Sometimes it's not always necessary to explain how you reached a judgement, rather just to let others know what it is.
Indeed, that's why I like The Wire and Rock A Rolla and even the reviews on this site. But with a zine it all too often descends into people who can't write for toffee. I know, I know, snobbish, and I'm probably no better, but I really can't stand poorly written copy, it really nags me. Then again, it's personal choice, I suppose, cause what I like someone else might hate. And my style of writing might seem ok to me, but someone else will hate it. I dunno really.
I guess I'm more disposed towards the Rolling Stone school of music journalism.
I kept thinking of your blog whenever people alluded to blogs being shitter than zines in this thread.
That was poorly phrased.
or that someone else has put a lot of effort into?
and they arent obsolete at all, stuff like MRR is more influential than any blog writing about the same thing.
anyway im trying to combine the blog and zine idea anyway, i just think it will be fun!
I'm not writing off the whole art form, but there's so much shite to be sifted through these days.
People aren't constrained anymore by the institution of music journalism- the citizen press is truly here and the next step. Yet some people deliberately pretend that they can't get things published or exposed- it just seems stupid.
That goes for everything. And certainly applies more to blogs than to 'zines.
and they can be really nice. I'd express this sentiment better and a bit further if I were wholly sober.
There's a total over saturation of blogs, largely made by people who have no ability to write, about music or otherwise. It's almost too easy.
If somebody gave me a 'zine, and another person linked me to a blog, I'd be far more likely to take notice of the writing I held in my hand.
Making a 'zine takes a bit of effort at least. And, the idea of 'zines isn't to be as read by as many people as possible usually, is it? But rather to attract people that you think might be interested in what you have to say.
The 'zine I am making at the moment, I suppose I could have just set up a blog for, but the effect would not be anywhere near as good as it's gonna be, and it would be a lot less special, and after I'd finished it, it'd drift away into cyberspace, never to be read again.
Plus, it's fun. Surrounded by photocopies and cutting yourself on staples. It's a lot of fun.
I never mentioned credibility.
And I agree that a good blog can be awesome. But with avenues like blogspot and wordpress enabling anybody to set up a blog in, literally, 20 seconds, I do really feel there are too many.
I don't think I say, or allude even, that 'zines > blogs, anywhere in that post.
And, it's only natural that anybody tries to attract 'their audience' with anything they write or do. For example, if I started a blog about country music, I'd probably not advertise it on DiS, but somewhere where people who like country music perused. Or, if I was Luke Leighfield, I'd probably not advertise...full stop.
whereas (one would hope) the ability to write is usually the minimum qualification if you want to be paid to be a journalist.
As I said up the thread though, I know of a fair few journalists and writers and they all put together 'zines when they were starting out. It's kind of like going to see a band's early gigs, or hearing their rough demos: it could be all over the shop, but it could also be fizzing with ideas and a potential that really excites.
There's a place for all sorts of music journalism, whether it be lengthy articles or brief brain dumps - if they're interesting or exciting enough.
they weren't half bad - some decent interviews, some decent commentaries. will probably make more when i can find some time.
but yeah, logistically, it's really easy. in the most basic sense, just a case of having a means to print words and images and a way to duplicate them. it's having the worthwhile ideas, subject matter, unique reason to do it that's the tough part.
it was called "The litmus papers" and it fused science and indie, haha it was fucking terrible in a brilliant way. It had a comic strip called "battlestar elastica" which featured 90s indie bands in whimsical scenarios where inexplicably they were in a space get-up/ situation.
Reviews of local gigs/ new stuff. I printed it on the photocopier at work, didn't get busted doing that for ages
that sounds amazing!
have impeccable taste :)
but yes_ is on top quality troll mode in this thread, and EVERYONE rose to the bait it seemed. he got his reactions, tenfold. pigfoot look out, there's a new pretender to the throne
I did actual bullet points and everything. It's an actual argument that you havn't addressed. What a boring wuss.
Anyway, I'm going to declare music journalism DEAD. The alternative is organic self moderating communities, much like the DiS board, which is great or rather would be if everyone, myself included, hadn't already been affected by tyrannical Music Culture.
it looks like you're saying things, generally sweeping, possibly outlandish statements, that look as if they're made to get a reaction
perhaps if you don't like being branded a troll you should take a look at your posting style and what you're writing
It's the spirit behind it which counts. These are my actual genuine beliefs and i've argued them with actual genuine points. Why do people on here love Music so much? Why don't they want to question it? It's a fallible institution like any other, indie music too. Just because there's loads of obvious shite that goes with the mainstream that indie is somehow all the stuff that isn't shite. Cos it's not.
what are you referring to when you capitalise music?
I.e Music culture, music journalism, music distribution like itunes etc.
"writing about music is like dancing about architecture" types?
neither have i of dismissing his points mentally. we'd just disagree, that's all
Even I'm getting annoyed by this
It's dead boring. Thank.
either have a proper discussion, or try to wind people up. you cant do both at the same time.
they will all probably suck. I think teh hardest part about making a 'zine is the fact yu have to figure out how many pages you have and that it is a mutliple of four.
are we still in the 80's? Get with the times!!!
everything should be on the net? having a paper 'zine in yr hand is a million times better then bookmarking an online 'zine. I make a craft zine and yt worksso much beyyer in paper form.
The only advantage of a paperzine is that you can read it on the toilet. Otherwise a webzine is much better, it's a far more liberating medium and can be updated whenever you feel like it.
What on earth is the last sentance about?
"There's a total over saturation of blogs, largely made by people who have no ability to write, about music or otherwise. It's almost too easy.
Plus, it's fun. Surrounded by photocopies and cutting yourself on staples. It's a lot of fun. A lot more fun."
i really want to make one now, i might force someone to help me.
I'm gonna plug it on here to sell a few, but take most of them to Hamerica. They're gonna cost about £3.50 each (inc. p+p) I think, as they look beautiful and involve cardboard, photographs and CD-Rs.
I have a few copies of an old one lying around too that I'll send.
(that's an estimate, I've not costed it all yet, if it's cheaper, they'll be cheaper)
They'll be about £2.00 and I'll maybe make enough money to fund the next one too. Yeh!
That's partly the reason. When I took a 'zine on tour this year, it was free but I asked for donations for charity. There was a jar next to it, so it was a piece of piss to donate. Out of about 400 'zines, people donated about £120, which I thought was pretty shit (the 'zine was really good). And loads of people just grabbed a handful and they ended up being used as beer mats. NEVER AGAIN!!
romance is boring is one of the zines i keep getting out of my little zine box to look at again. having said that i did donate money and i'll happily pay £3.50 for yr new one so there's no real problem. there should be new fugitive motel/pull yourself together ones in spillers now i think...
but that was because it was really nicely done and came with a 12" vinyl so it was worth it
And I haven't worked out the best way to describe it yet, but it's pretty emo, and that's the main thing.
Nor as awesome.
but how does one know that?
I see that now, I am a 'tard!
I think I may have to re-release my emo 'zine, with added extras (perhpas my emo top trumps) to count as one of my 12 zines of 2009
my keyboard has no letters on it! I was saying I make this:
and it works in paper zine as you can craft on the go.
If you don't agree it's because this is too radical an idea for you.
Here is some rambling. Zines are far better than blogs, I mean come on. You get out what you put in and they take time and effort. Blogs are ok if you want to fill up a small amount of time every so often. As for music blogs, mine is visited by a load of people looking for free entire albums and have trained themselves to spot the rapidshare links or whatever and ignore the rest. I get 20-odd people a day that probably leave disappointed because I don't have many freebies. A very small number of people actually stay on the site for more than a few seconds.
Solid stuff is just so much better. I don't want your rapidshare mixtape you lazy motherfuckers. I want a 3d item with some cobbled together artwork feat. whatever you had lying around the house at the time. Thanks.
I get about 100 to 200 odd people a day looking at mine look!
Thats loads more than would look at a zine a day...
Zines are cool and everything I would read a good one if I could ever find one. But the internet has kinda taken over for kinda enthusiastic music people doing stuff for them selves. My blog has hooked me up with tons of people and got me writing for some other more established music sites too.
I'm really not twee enough to make shit myself at home and give it to about 6 people...
your blog is very good and i'm sure you put loads of effort into it. Black Metal fans make zines too. I suppose it's just a different kind of twee
YOU SOUND LIKE ME!
at least be interesting horrible cunts
does anybody want to contribute to my latest zine 'come dine with me' a zine where you write as if yr a contestnat on Come Dine With Me (the niights events include full recipes)?
I did a few issues of one called Espionage, just me and a photocopier, then one issue of one called Kunstlicher, which I still maintain as a blog. Quite good fun, especially when you get nice feedback.
it was great :)
can't read the old ones now - too embarassing. but one of them got me death threats from local bands. and hate mail. yeah, slag off local bands and put your home address in your zine - really clever, nunn.
I did zines too.
The internet took care of that tradition though eh.
zines still exist, and they still have a use. theyre just not the only outlet now
This was about 6/7 years ago now. We did a really awesome interview with Aaron Turner from Isis which came out really well, and he was really happy to talk for what felt like an age. It was really enjoyable but quite disheartening to see that most people would drop them on the floor when we gave them out at gigs.
it's about people's first experiences of...things. the first one's theme is music. i probably haven't explained it very well but if you might be interested message me, i want lots of contributors to make it ace!
Which I always enjoy, and the launch parties are a blast.
I once contributed an article on my favourite distortion pedals..
Best thing I ever did. We abused a DJ at the Pink Toothbrush indie club for not playing 'weird enough' stuff, we became friends and he then nagged me to start up a zine. We approached the club and they agreed to give us £100 or so to do a small print run if we put a large full page ad on the back. After 3 issues as 'Taste' (a terrible name), Muse's media group threatened to sue us for having too similar a name, so we rebranded as 'To Hell With..' (the name coming from the fact that the only song most of the writers agreed was awesome was the mclusky track, and hence why if you go down to the Brush most Saturdays early doors you can still hear it). That lasted for another 3 proper issues, and a few interactive PDF ones before we did a few last flyers and then called it quits due to all moving away / getting older / girlfriends / GTAIV.
Was well worth it though. It cost me personally a fair few quid as we insisted on keeping it free, but I always squared it in my head by reminding myself of the free gigs / CD's I received, and the fact it kept my english skills going.
- Kaiser Chiefs interview before they were famous. Top guys.
- Our 'Forgotten gem' column, where we interviewed six by seven about 'The closer you get' and Martin Carr about 'C'mon kids'
- Doing the last ever interview with John Peel before he died
- Seeing Radiohead at Shepherds bush empire as a freebie
- Doing what we think was one of the first ever mp3 downloadable interviews?
- Issue 3, where we did a big ATP preview including Todd, mclusky, arab strap, the seconds and cass mccoombs. It went like hot cakes, and a few of the bands afterwards said thanks for doing it. A few people left comments on the forum too saying how much they'd enjoyed all of the above bands, some of whom they'd only checked out due to our rag.
- Meeting The National and interviewing Matt when 'Alligator' came out.
- Several ATP chalets where we got 4 of us in on guest passes
- Interviewing mclusky, future of the left, arab strap (my heroes), the faint, mogwai, ikara colt, kaitO, miss kittin, fujiya & miyagi, electrelane, snowden, weevil, the chap, bikini atoll, moving units, modey lemon, liars and many more
- Putting on some gigs (including first london dates for The Cribs and Pure Reason Revolution) and club nights
- Receiving 'Boxer' in the post 4 weeks before it was out
I recommend it to everyone. Not something I feel I've probably got time to man manage and do nowadays, but I made some good friends out of it and generally had a blast...
it was a diskzine that came on a floppy with music and everything!
It covered deomoscene and tracker music stuff. We stopped it in 97 year before I went to uni.