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by the end of this thread you're going to have given the people who are fighting for justice for jean charles, his family and friends etc, a reallllllly bad name. i just know it already.
A few months ago at 1 am, someone continuously rang our buzzer then didn't speak when I answered, someone else let them into the stair (I live in a top floor flat) and they walked directly up to my house, where I shut and locked the door quickly when I saw them climb the last flight of stairs, they got to my door and started sticking their hand through the letter box while I could hear their heavy breathing through the door. My boyfriend called the police, they said they'd send someone round, we waited about 2 hours and no one showed up, eventually the guy went away but what if he'd gotten into the house? No, I don't trust the police.
They turned up eventually claiming icy roads had slowed them down. For 3 hours.
I saw about 5 police cars go past the house but none stopped, thank you police, what if he broke in and attacked us or robbed us or raped us and our cats?
and they were busy...we told them someone was harassing us and trying to get into their flat, yes that is pressing.
was very scared and promptly requested my boyfriend call the police, why?
have you been in that kind of situation? cos if you haven't then you probably won't understand the reactions.
we didn't know who this guy was, would it have been clever to have unlocked the door and challenged him? no! he seemed pretty set on getting into our flat, he buzzed various flats but kept coming to our door to get in.
perhaps one should phone the police again and ask what one should do....perhaps warn the bloke that you are going to do one of the following....stab his hand, break his arm, take fingerprints (he's given you his hand afterall), or just scrape his hand enough to take dna......actually surely there would be sufficient dna in the letterbox for the police to have got some.
Alternatively perhaps you could have trapped his arm somehow until the police arrived......
Perhaps my suggestions seem a little extreme, but surely this has disturbed u greatly, i would have thought that at least the police knowing who has hassled you would be a bit of a relief......of course my ideas might be rubbish so it would be interesting what the police advice would be to people in these odd situations (like having a bloke with his arm thru your letter box for ages ....and the police not being able to arrive for two hours)
so we didn't really want to call up continuously asking for people to come round, we'd turned off the lights and pretended we were asleep/not in, hoping he'd leave, but he stayed standing in front of the door just sort of looking...
the marks of the fork prongs would then make it easier for police identifying him.
(this might be illegal, im not sure, perhaps clarify this with the police if there is a next time.....i realise that things look different when confronted with the unexpected, but at least next time you will know to ask the police what you should do in the hours that it might take them to arrive) (perhaps the delay wasnt the polices fault maybe it is a fault with the operator not assigning the call a high enough priority....perhaps if you are very frightened for your personal safety, you should make this very clear to the operator)
But there was something oddly cute about 'what if he...rapes us or our cats?'
you get some weirdo's out there...
Believe me, I'm intimately acquainted with psychotics, schizophrenics, drug addicts, whores, gangsters, would-be terrorists...basically all the worst parts of the Bible.
for example, my neighbours got robbed while the parents were away, their son was 16, the police said they'd come, 6 hours later, they phoned my dad to bring the son to the police station, he got there and they pulled guns on him, and told him if he moved he'd be shot. turned out that my neighbour had been parading around the village with a replica and the police thought he was trying to lure them in witha fake story of a burglary. but firstly, how dare they do that to my dad, and innocent neighbour, and secondly they completely screwed up the investigation when they interviewed the son on his own when he was too young to be interviewed (apparently the age limit was 17, and as he was a few weeks away, they saw his provisional licence, but didn't think to check the date.
Like any profession, there's a percentage of undesirable characters. The dads of two of my best mates are coppers, and you do hear some pretty shocking stuff
Have overly unrealistic expectations of them, no.
as opposed to not trusting them.
But do I trust them to perform effectively and properly do the job they are supposed to do? No. This is nothing to do with their integrity and everything to do with a lack of resources.
I believe the issue of trust is more related to how a mostly-upstanding institution is deployed by the authorities above them, such as local government. Very badly worded thread on my part, apologies.
people are flawed, and so flawed people make flawed laws (especially in the case of the illegality of drugs. the police maintain these f/laws (loL), and in doing so throw their brothers and sisters into prison where their lives are ruined and they have no potential of contributing anything to anyone, and are treated with condemnation rather than forgiveness.
they're just people... what right have they got to attack our freedom?
You're not saying we don't need them full stop are you? I tend to agree that drug laws are stupid and ineffective. I'd go one further and argue drugs should be lagalised (certain drugs). But we need them for many things, surely?
now that we've had them so long, and because of the state society is in right now, yes, we need them to keep us safe. but then again, all they're there to do is throw the 'bad people' away after they've done bad things. how about having people try and teach the world to love one another beFORE they pull the trigger, rather than overcrowding prisons afterwards?
however, it's more a case of me wishing that we lived in a time where we could be trusted to live without the need for policing our decisions, where we could do what we want to our own bodies (i agree, they should all be legalised), but treat other fellow humans right ('treat others how you would like to be treated'....etc...)
of course. but once it does, heaven will pretty much dawn the earth... we're just brought up now with this ideology that everything is a threat, that person behind you is a mugger, not to talk to strangers...etc... which just widens the divisions and makes you fear other people. police maintain that fear by not allowing us the freedom to live our lives properly. we can't make our own decisions as unbelievably intelligent beings without fear of a repercussion from other people, who are just like us.
just like you say, 'people suck', so, police do too.
maybe, but it just depends how they go about this... by installing cameras, raising sentences and scaring us, i don't think that's the way to go about preventing people from hurting other people. making a living example and loving other human beings and not carrying batons and guns, that'd be crime prevention.
it's an absolute ideal, surely? if we're capable of causing so much destruction that's capable of killing us all, surely we're capable of doing the same, but with peace?
i'd just like this whole 'democracy' and 'freedom' thing to kick in at some point, it's been a long time coming...
You want to watch the lazy ones with stationary eyes.
horrible bastards, ultimate pricks who don't do anything properly, but I don't think there's any big trust issues.
but they are collectively a bunch of worms.
They're eager to sit on the roads with cameras, trying to spot people going slightly over the limit, but not interested in getting to call-outs quickly one bit. Like the girl said up there. People have experiences with the police like that all the fucking time.
the detectives of Lancashire Constabulary, let me tell you - they are a bunch of incompetant pricks who don't know their arse from their elbow.
Basically some piece of shit was frauding my grandad of a few grand by getting hold of his bank details. My mum did most of the work in finding out who had done what, how much they'd taken etc. and even where the guy lived. She gave all the information to the police who took about 9 months to do anything. In the time they waited around wondering how to approach the case, the guy got loads of other old people's details and rinsed them for all they were worth, including more from my grandad. Turned out this postman was nicking all the mail and giving it to this guy
We once had this detective in the kitchen while I was making a brew. I distinctly recall him speaking to my mum and saying "we don't know how we're gonna get hard evidence of him." She said "Why not have someone watch the postman in his office?" and the guy was like "... bloody hell, that's a great idea. Yes! I'll get right on it." Fucking ultimate morons.
it's the same with protests and marches. you can see them marching up and down, stood on balconies taking photos of people, because they may have the 'potential' to cause criminal damage and activity. it's one of the most sickening things i could imagine, all of our information and lives being stored 'just incase' we murder somebody. why can't we be trusted? it's pretty terrifying.
A DS, Met
instead of trying to catch people late for work
but while were at generalisations,oasis fans?gobshites?
Most MPs are bent. Just because your dad's one and is a 'good man' doesn't make them unbent.
My dad's a criminal.
are you just slow?
An Irish man is sitting a a bar drinking
A flamboyantly gay man comes up to him and asks, "can i give you a blow job?"
The Irishman stands up and punches the gay man.
The bar tender comes over and asks, "Why did you hit that guy?"
The Irish man replied, "He said somethin about me gettin a job"
being a liverpool fan, I can see why he changed it.
Worked much better with the scousers.
Kinda makes that hard.
racist in peace
It's very easy to paint law enforcement with black and white acrylics. Obviously there are heartless, jobsworth bobbies patrolling the streets and sticking their snouts into innocent bystanders pockets...............but, like everything......it isn't as basic as that.
Delete and replace 'Police' from that sentence and with any other organisation or anything really and it remains true.
This is because organisations and groups involve people - and they are inconsistent, probably the only generalisation that I stand by.
From the lowliest beat bobby to the highest commissioner?
I briefly worked for the police doing admin work....and mainly they are ignorant pricks, whilst they won't turn up to someone who calls them, I once processed a fine for some kid which they had chased through norwich town for two miles in the middle of the night because he didn't have a back light on his bike. A. how dangerous was that, B. surely there are more important crimes.
Frequently I would go to process a fine or somesuch and the police chap in question would neglect to leave enough information on the report for me to actually process it. e.g. I would have a persons name and type of car but they would forget to get the reg or even the offenders address.
The other event that sticks in the memory was returning from a fag break one morning, and my boss informed me that the head cop downstairs had called up and he was to inform me that if I ever rested my newspaper on the boot of his car (due to one hand fag, another a cup of tea)that he would find some way of 'nicking me' - The car in question was a five year old escort.
I'm the archtypal offspring of a bastard copper......excess machismo, alpha-male complex, cynicism etc. etc.
Except I sometimes give a sly wink and a daisy.
or a fireman. any manly job
it's just a coincidence that i decided to be a sailor
but my brother in law is and he's a complete cunt
place to regulate/instruct/report/feedback on the police
in my experience they always seem like really smug and thrive on excerciing power they would never have otherwise, quite often it seems when they could easily diffuse situations they instead aggravate them by acting like this, anyone who wants to be a policeman should not be allowed to be one they should be randomly selected or something.
that way they're acting personally on their past experiences, and basing their knowledge and opinion upon that, rather than some idiot who's just doing what he's told; throwing people behind bars because another human being decided they were 'bad people' so many years before that.
doesnt apply to all police, but there is definately a certain type of people that are overepresented in the poice force
policemen are generally cunts, sorry
Ben Elton's moved on to pastures new (even though the latter part of his career is bog-standard)...........why can't you?